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Stirlingsays 11 Apr 19 5.02pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 It was a fix the electoral commission has already found it so. Leave campaign appeal has been withdrawn. The over-spend of dubious money influenced the vote in favour of leave in the last 24 hours. 'Fromage not Farage' This argument is so so ridiculous. What is 'legal' here is completely arbitrary. The system is rigged for the establishment and favoured the remain campaign. The remain campaign was allowed to overspend the leave campaign by a significant amount. The government used tax payers money to advise people to stay in the EU....effectively campaigning for remain. The establishment tried to 'fix' the referendum with money, the government and media coverage......but just like with Trump in America the vastly underrepresented underdogs won......and just like in America the establishment want to shout 'illegal' because they are bad losers. Edited by Stirlingsays (11 Apr 2019 5.05pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

11 Apr 19 5.02pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

It was a fix the electoral commission has already found it so.

Leave campaign appeal has been withdrawn.

The over-spend of dubious money influenced the vote in favour of leave in the last 24 hours.

'Fromage not Farage'

This argument is so so ridiculous. What is 'legal' here is completely arbitrary. The system is rigged for the establishment and favoured the remain campaign.

The remain campaign was allowed to overspend the leave campaign by a significant amount.

The government used tax payers money to advise people to stay in the EU....effectively campaigning for remain.

The establishment tried to 'fix' the referendum with money, the government and media coverage......but just like with Trump in America the vastly underrepresented underdogs won......and just like in America the establishment want to shout 'illegal' because they are bad losers.

Edited by Stirlingsays (11 Apr 2019 5.05pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

chris123 hove actually 11 Apr 19 5.11pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays This argument is so so ridiculous. What is 'legal' here is completely arbitrary. The system is rigged for the establishment and favoured the remain campaign. The remain campaign was allowed to overspend the leave campaign by a significant amount. The government used tax payers money to advise people to stay in the EU....effectively campaigning for remain. The establishment tried to 'fix' the referendum with money, the government and media coverage......but just like with Trump in America the vastly underrepresented underdogs won......and just like in America the establishment want to shout 'illegal' because they are bad losers. Edited by Stirlingsays (11 Apr 2019 5.05pm) It's a struggle debating points that are untrue.

chris123

hove actually 11 Apr 19 5.11pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

This argument is so so ridiculous. What is 'legal' here is completely arbitrary. The system is rigged for the establishment and favoured the remain campaign.

The remain campaign was allowed to overspend the leave campaign by a significant amount.

The government used tax payers money to advise people to stay in the EU....effectively campaigning for remain.

Edited by Stirlingsays (11 Apr 2019 5.05pm)

It's a struggle debating points that are untrue.

dannyboy1978 11 Apr 19 5.14pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays This argument is so so ridiculous. What is 'legal' here is completely arbitrary. The system is rigged for the establishment and favoured the remain campaign. The remain campaign was allowed to overspend the leave campaign by a significant amount. The government used tax payers money to advise people to stay in the EU....effectively campaigning for remain. The establishment tried to 'fix' the referendum with money, the government and media coverage......but just like with Trump in America the vastly underrepresented underdogs won......and just like in America the establishment want to shout 'illegal' because they are bad losers. Edited by Stirlingsays (11 Apr 2019 5.05pm) Good point and more the establishment yank the chain the worse it will get for them. Knowledge is power and people have plenty of it now days. People are even seeing through the fake news, hilarious. What ever next, internet restriction, no the EU have already thought about, communism in action. Edited by dannyboy1978 (11 Apr 2019 5.16pm) Edited by dannyboy1978 (11 Apr 2019 5.17pm)

dannyboy1978

11 Apr 19 5.14pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

This argument is so so ridiculous. What is 'legal' here is completely arbitrary. The system is rigged for the establishment and favoured the remain campaign.

The remain campaign was allowed to overspend the leave campaign by a significant amount.

The government used tax payers money to advise people to stay in the EU....effectively campaigning for remain.

Edited by Stirlingsays (11 Apr 2019 5.05pm)

Good point and more the establishment yank the chain the worse it will get for them.

Knowledge is power and people have plenty of it now days.
People are even seeing through the fake news, hilarious. What ever next, internet restriction, no the EU have already thought about, communism in action.

Edited by dannyboy1978 (11 Apr 2019 5.16pm)

Edited by dannyboy1978 (11 Apr 2019 5.17pm)

steeleye20 Croydon 11 Apr 19 5.56pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays This argument is so so ridiculous. What is 'legal' here is completely arbitrary. The system is rigged for the establishment and favoured the remain campaign. The remain campaign was allowed to overspend the leave campaign by a significant amount. The government used tax payers money to advise people to stay in the EU....effectively campaigning for remain. The establishment tried to 'fix' the referendum with money, the government and media coverage......but just like with Trump in America the vastly underrepresented underdogs won......and just like in America the establishment want to shout 'illegal' because they are bad losers. Edited by Stirlingsays (11 Apr 2019 5.05pm) It is not an argument just a statement of the facts. Why does anybody want to deliver on, at the pain of death, a bent referendum. That is bound to be the verdict of historians when they look back objectively.

steeleye20

Croydon 11 Apr 19 5.56pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

This argument is so so ridiculous. What is 'legal' here is completely arbitrary. The system is rigged for the establishment and favoured the remain campaign.

The remain campaign was allowed to overspend the leave campaign by a significant amount.

The government used tax payers money to advise people to stay in the EU....effectively campaigning for remain.

Edited by Stirlingsays (11 Apr 2019 5.05pm)

It is not an argument just a statement of the facts.

Why does anybody want to deliver on, at the pain of death, a bent referendum.

That is bound to be the verdict of historians when they look back objectively.

Stirlingsays 11 Apr 19 6.01pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 It is not an argument just a statement of the facts. Why does anybody want to deliver on, at the pain of death, a bent referendum. That is bound to be the verdict of historians when they look back objectively. You just ignore the points and carry on in your merry way. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

11 Apr 19 6.01pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

It is not an argument just a statement of the facts.

Why does anybody want to deliver on, at the pain of death, a bent referendum.

That is bound to be the verdict of historians when they look back objectively.

You just ignore the points and carry on in your merry way.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays 11 Apr 19 6.06pm
Originally posted by chris123 It's a struggle debating points that are untrue. The truth is an afterthought when it comes to power. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

11 Apr 19 6.06pm

Originally posted by chris123

It's a struggle debating points that are untrue.

The truth is an afterthought when it comes to power.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays 11 Apr 19 6.11pm
Originally posted by dannyboy1978 Good point and more the establishment yank the chain the worse it will get for them. Knowledge is power and people have plenty of it now days. People are even seeing through the fake news, hilarious. What ever next, internet restriction, no the EU have already thought about, communism in action. Edited by dannyboy1978 (11 Apr 2019 5.16pm) Edited by dannyboy1978 (11 Apr 2019 5.17pm) I remember someone telling me as a youth that the end result of socialism was communism....I think Marx said something along those lines. I never thought though that I'd be watching a Tory party enacting intersectional and feminist policies.....and Tory remain politicians are way over represented over leave ones in the parliament for how their areas voted. How the so called stewards in the conservative party allowed that.....they are crapping over their own grass roots. Edited by Stirlingsays (11 Apr 2019 6.12pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

11 Apr 19 6.11pm

Originally posted by dannyboy1978

Good point and more the establishment yank the chain the worse it will get for them.

Edited by dannyboy1978 (11 Apr 2019 5.16pm)

Edited by dannyboy1978 (11 Apr 2019 5.17pm)

I remember someone telling me as a youth that the end result of socialism was communism....I think Marx said something along those lines.

I never thought though that I'd be watching a Tory party enacting intersectional and feminist policies.....and Tory remain politicians are way over represented over leave ones in the parliament for how their areas voted.

How the so called stewards in the conservative party allowed that.....they are crapping over their own grass roots.

Edited by Stirlingsays (11 Apr 2019 6.12pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

cryrst The garden of England 11 Apr 19 7.27pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays This argument is so so ridiculous. What is 'legal' here is completely arbitrary. The system is rigged for the establishment and favoured the remain campaign. The remain campaign was allowed to overspend the leave campaign by a significant amount. The government used tax payers money to advise people to stay in the EU....effectively campaigning for remain. The establishment tried to 'fix' the referendum with money, the government and media coverage......but just like with Trump in America the vastly underrepresented underdogs won......and just like in America the establishment want to shout 'illegal' because they are bad losers. Edited by Stirlingsays (11 Apr 2019 5.05pm) The government are duty bound to finance elements that they feel are in the best interest of the country. Clearly in this case they thought remain was in the best interests of the country. Without a crystal ball they had to stick not twist.

cryrst

The garden of England 11 Apr 19 7.27pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

This argument is so so ridiculous. What is 'legal' here is completely arbitrary. The system is rigged for the establishment and favoured the remain campaign.

The remain campaign was allowed to overspend the leave campaign by a significant amount.

The government used tax payers money to advise people to stay in the EU....effectively campaigning for remain.

Edited by Stirlingsays (11 Apr 2019 5.05pm)

The government are duty bound to finance elements that they feel are in the best interest of the country.
Clearly in this case they thought remain was in the best interests of the country.
Without a crystal ball they had to stick not twist.

.TUX. 11 Apr 19 7.56pm
Originally posted by cryrst The government are duty bound to finance elements that they feel are in the best interest of the country. Clearly in this case they thought remain was in the best interests of the country. Without a crystal ball they had to stick not twist. They thought the same about 'austerity'. They were wrong then too. Buy Litecoin.

.TUX.

11 Apr 19 7.56pm

Originally posted by cryrst

The government are duty bound to finance elements that they feel are in the best interest of the country.
Clearly in this case they thought remain was in the best interests of the country.
Without a crystal ball they had to stick not twist.

They thought the same about 'austerity'.
They were wrong then too.

Buy Litecoin.

silvertop Portishead 11 Apr 19 9.13pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays This argument is so so ridiculous. What is 'legal' here is completely arbitrary. The system is rigged for the establishment and favoured the remain campaign. The remain campaign was allowed to overspend the leave campaign by a significant amount. The government used tax payers money to advise people to stay in the EU....effectively campaigning for remain. The establishment tried to 'fix' the referendum with money, the government and media coverage......but just like with Trump in America the vastly underrepresented underdogs won......and just like in America the establishment want to shout 'illegal' because they are bad losers. Edited by Stirlingsays (11 Apr 2019 5.05pm) I am a staunch remainer but largely agree with this though when I see terms like establishment I smell conspiracy theory. Like there was ever a unified collective of men in dark suits plotting remain. That said it is fair to say that almost half the electorate voted remain including most of commerce manufacturing finance and the city as well as most of the government. Were they all wrong?

silvertop

Portishead 11 Apr 19 9.13pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

This argument is so so ridiculous. What is 'legal' here is completely arbitrary. The system is rigged for the establishment and favoured the remain campaign.

The remain campaign was allowed to overspend the leave campaign by a significant amount.

The government used tax payers money to advise people to stay in the EU....effectively campaigning for remain.

Edited by Stirlingsays (11 Apr 2019 5.05pm)

I am a staunch remainer but largely agree with this though when I see terms like establishment I smell conspiracy theory. Like there was ever a unified collective of men in dark suits plotting remain. That said it is fair to say that almost half the electorate voted remain including most of commerce manufacturing finance and the city as well as most of the government. Were they all wrong?

dannyboy1978 11 Apr 19 9.37pm
Originally posted by silvertop I am a staunch remainer but largely agree with this though when I see terms like establishment I smell conspiracy theory. Like there was ever a unified collective of men in dark suits plotting remain. That said it is fair to say that almost half the electorate voted remain including most of commerce manufacturing finance and the city as well as most of the government. Were they all wrong? It doesn't matter, it was a people's vote not a buisness vote. Buisness loved cheap Labour, they would pay even less if they could and that's why it's a people's vote, For the people. The very people who's wages are going up because cheap labour is slowing. Fantastic news, more wages more money sloshing around Edited by dannyboy1978 (11 Apr 2019 9.41pm) Edited by dannyboy1978 (11 Apr 2019 9.43pm)

dannyboy1978

11 Apr 19 9.37pm

Originally posted by silvertop

It doesn't matter, it was a people's vote not a buisness vote. Buisness loved cheap Labour, they would pay even less if they could and that's why it's a people's vote, For the people. The very people who's wages are going up because cheap labour is slowing.
Fantastic news, more wages more money sloshing around

Edited by dannyboy1978 (11 Apr 2019 9.41pm)

Edited by dannyboy1978 (11 Apr 2019 9.43pm)

Hrolf The Ganger 11 Apr 19 9.39pm
Originally posted by silvertop I am a staunch remainer but largely agree with this though when I see terms like establishment I smell conspiracy theory. Like there was ever a unified collective of men in dark suits plotting remain. That said it is fair to say that almost half the electorate voted remain including most of commerce manufacturing finance and the city as well as most of the government. Were they all wrong? They were not wrong or right but simply made a judgment to protect their own interests in the short term.

Hrolf The Ganger

11 Apr 19 9.39pm

Originally posted by silvertop

They were not wrong or right but simply made a judgment to protect their own interests in the short term.

Stirlingsays 11 Apr 19 10.06pm
Originally posted by silvertop I am a staunch remainer but largely agree with this though when I see terms like establishment I smell conspiracy theory. Like there was ever a unified collective of men in dark suits plotting remain. That said it is fair to say that almost half the electorate voted remain including most of commerce manufacturing finance and the city as well as most of the government. Were they all wrong? Rather than a conspiracy, which implies everybody making a coordinated response via prior planning I think the establishment are more those whose interests are aligned all tending to behaviour that results in the same protectionist outcomes......results that have little to do with fairness and lots to do with gaming the system. As for those who voted remain.....well it was a bit over 48 percent.....which is nearly half and they deserve a significant voice. However, what we seem to be seeing is that they have more than a voice.....they are actually stopping Brexit.....We have Dan on here telling us Bexit is never going to happen.....He may be right. But that's not democracy and for plenty of people that is going to take the trust in parliament from poor....to god knows what. Edited by Stirlingsays (11 Apr 2019 10.08pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

11 Apr 19 10.06pm

Originally posted by silvertop

Rather than a conspiracy, which implies everybody making a coordinated response via prior planning I think the establishment are more those whose interests are aligned all tending to behaviour that results in the same protectionist outcomes......results that have little to do with fairness and lots to do with gaming the system.

As for those who voted remain.....well it was a bit over 48 percent.....which is nearly half and they deserve a significant voice. However, what we seem to be seeing is that they have more than a voice.....they are actually stopping Brexit.....We have Dan on here telling us Bexit is never going to happen.....He may be right.

But that's not democracy and for plenty of people that is going to take the trust in parliament from poor....to god knows what.

Edited by Stirlingsays (11 Apr 2019 10.08pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

.TUX. 11 Apr 19 10.17pm
Originally posted by silvertop I am a staunch remainer but largely agree with this though when I see terms like establishment I smell conspiracy theory. Like there was ever a unified collective of men in dark suits plotting remain. That said it is fair to say that almost half the electorate voted remain including most of commerce manufacturing finance and the city as well as most of the government. Were they all wrong? 1. The very same who not only caused the '08 crash but have taken advantage of it ever since........while the innocent suffer a decade of austerity. How is this not clear? 2. Of course they are wrong (see above). They are all pigs eating from the same trough and the ECB (along with others) have become nothing more than venture capitalists for the wealthy/connected. We aren't in this club but we'll once again pay for their (deliberate) 'mistakes'. You should be fuming tbh. Buy Litecoin.

.TUX.

11 Apr 19 10.17pm

Originally posted by silvertop

I am a staunch remainer but largely agree with this though when I see terms like establishment I smell conspiracy theory. Like there was ever a unified collective of men in dark suits plotting remain. That said it is fair to say that almost half the electorate voted remain including most of commerce manufacturing finance and the city as well as most of the government. Were they all wrong?

1. The very same who not only caused the '08 crash but have taken advantage of it ever since........while the innocent suffer a decade of austerity. How is this not clear?
2. Of course they are wrong (see above). They are all pigs eating from the same trough and the ECB (along with others) have become nothing more than venture capitalists for the wealthy/connected. We aren't in this club but we'll once again pay for their (deliberate) 'mistakes'.

You should be fuming tbh.

Buy Litecoin.

Mapletree Croydon 11 Apr 19 10.54pm
Originally posted by Midlands Eagle I find it neither bigoted nor racist although I disagree with what he said as there are quite a few females and non whites in the Tory Government including the first Asian minister in one of the big three posts. At least Mrs May selects her team on merit and not because they are ex shag buddies Ah, my mistake. 22% female is of course an excellent representation of the public in the UK. And as you say there is an ethnic minority person too. Cracking. The idea, however, that Hunt and Grayling - and indeed May herself- were selected on merit is beyond risible Abbott is everyone’s pet hate. I have no particular view on her but to judge the whole shadow cabinet based on her is clear nonsense And as I am sure you know it was Miliband who invited her to join the shadow cabinet.

Mapletree

Croydon 11 Apr 19 10.54pm

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

I find it neither bigoted nor racist although I disagree with what he said as there are quite a few females and non whites in the Tory Government including the first Asian minister in one of the big three posts.

At least Mrs May selects her team on merit and not because they are ex shag buddies

Ah, my mistake. 22% female is of course an excellent representation of the public in the UK.

And as you say there is an ethnic minority person too. Cracking.

The idea, however, that Hunt and Grayling - and indeed May herself- were selected on merit is beyond risible

Abbott is everyone’s pet hate. I have no particular view on her but to judge the whole shadow cabinet based on her is clear nonsense

And as I am sure you know it was Miliband who invited her to join the shadow cabinet.

Teddy Eagle 11 Apr 19 11.04pm
Originally posted by Mapletree Ah, my mistake. 22% female is of course an excellent representation of the public in the UK. And as you say there is an ethnic minority person too. Cracking. The idea, however, that Hunt and Grayling - and indeed May herself- were selected on merit is beyond risible Abbott is everyone’s pet hate. I have no particular view on her but to judge the whole shadow cabinet based on her is clear nonsense And as I am sure you know it was Miliband who invited her to join the shadow cabinet. Oh, well if it was a towering statesman like Miliband she must be great. If you have no particular view then watch one of her interviews and you’ll soon form one. She’s as sharp as a sack full of wet mice.

Teddy Eagle

11 Apr 19 11.04pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

Ah, my mistake. 22% female is of course an excellent representation of the public in the UK.

And as you say there is an ethnic minority person too. Cracking.

The idea, however, that Hunt and Grayling - and indeed May herself- were selected on merit is beyond risible

Abbott is everyone’s pet hate. I have no particular view on her but to judge the whole shadow cabinet based on her is clear nonsense

And as I am sure you know it was Miliband who invited her to join the shadow cabinet.

Oh, well if it was a towering statesman like Miliband she must be great. If you have no particular view then watch one of her interviews and you’ll soon form one. She’s as sharp as a sack full of wet mice.

Pussay Patrol 11 Apr 19 11.11pm
Originally posted by Mapletree Ah, my mistake. 22% female is of course an excellent representation of the public in the UK. And as you say there is an ethnic minority person too. Cracking. The idea, however, that Hunt and Grayling - and indeed May herself- were selected on merit is beyond risible Abbott is everyone’s pet hate. I have no particular view on her but to judge the whole shadow cabinet based on her is clear nonsense And as I am sure you know it was Miliband who invited her to join the shadow cabinet. to be fair it is a weak shadow cabinet, all the resignations since Corbyn's tenure, no so called blairites and the defections to change.uk Paua oouaarancì Irà chiyeah Ishé galé ma ba oo ah

Pussay Patrol

11 Apr 19 11.11pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

Ah, my mistake. 22% female is of course an excellent representation of the public in the UK.

And as you say there is an ethnic minority person too. Cracking.

The idea, however, that Hunt and Grayling - and indeed May herself- were selected on merit is beyond risible

Abbott is everyone’s pet hate. I have no particular view on her but to judge the whole shadow cabinet based on her is clear nonsense

And as I am sure you know it was Miliband who invited her to join the shadow cabinet.

to be fair it is a weak shadow cabinet, all the resignations since Corbyn's tenure, no so called blairites and the defections to change.uk

Paua oouaarancì Irà chiyeah Ishé galé ma ba oo ah

Stirlingsays 11 Apr 19 11.20pm
Originally posted by Mapletree Ah, my mistake. 22% female is of course an excellent representation of the public in the UK. And as you say there is an ethnic minority person too. Cracking. You obviously haven't been watching much Jordan Peterson. Edited by Stirlingsays (11 Apr 2019 11.21pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

11 Apr 19 11.20pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

Ah, my mistake. 22% female is of course an excellent representation of the public in the UK.

And as you say there is an ethnic minority person too. Cracking.

You obviously haven't been watching much Jordan Peterson.

Edited by Stirlingsays (11 Apr 2019 11.21pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Teddy Eagle 11 Apr 19 11.30pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays You obviously haven't been watching much Jordan Peterson. Edited by Stirlingsays (11 Apr 2019 11.21pm) That’s a fairly safe bet.

Teddy Eagle

11 Apr 19 11.30pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

You obviously haven't been watching much Jordan Peterson.

Edited by Stirlingsays (11 Apr 2019 11.21pm)

That’s a fairly safe bet.

Pussay Patrol 12 Apr 19 6.02am
Originally posted by .TUX. 1. The very same who not only caused the '08 crash but have taken advantage of it ever since........while the innocent suffer a decade of austerity. How is this not clear? 2. Of course they are wrong (see above). They are all pigs eating from the same trough and the ECB (along with others) have become nothing more than venture capitalists for the wealthy/connected. We aren't in this club but we'll once again pay for their (deliberate) 'mistakes'. You should be fuming tbh. to lay any blame with the EU is barking up the wrong tree and leaving it will only worsen the situation. Tories will simply deregulate, our social wealth squeezed further upwards, and can force another generation of austerity, blaming Brexit since they can argue ultimately it wasn't their policy to leave, the electorate voted it Biggest mistake of our lifetime Paua oouaarancì Irà chiyeah Ishé galé ma ba oo ah

Pussay Patrol

12 Apr 19 6.02am

Originally posted by .TUX.

You should be fuming tbh.

to lay any blame with the EU is barking up the wrong tree and leaving it will only worsen the situation. Tories will simply deregulate, our social wealth squeezed further upwards, and can force another generation of austerity, blaming Brexit since they can argue ultimately it wasn't their policy to leave, the electorate voted it

Biggest mistake of our lifetime

Paua oouaarancì Irà chiyeah Ishé galé ma ba oo ah

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