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Midlands Eagle Flag 12 Apr 19 6.17am

Originally posted by Mapletree

Ah, my mistake. 22% female is of course an excellent representation of the public in the UK.

And as you say there is an ethnic minority person too. Cracking.

And as I am sure you know it was Miliband who invited her to join the shadow cabinet.

I know how you love to argue and I don't normally engage with you for that reason but whilst 22% of the cabinet may well be female there have been a large number of females who have resigned over the months and I don't suppose that the makeup of the cabinet is what Mrs May would have wanted but is more to do with running out of suitable replacements.

Regarding your sarcastic comment about an ethnic minority minister I did say "to one of the top three jobs" as there are plenty of other ethnic minorities in the Tory Government including Deputy Chairman

 

cryrst Flag The garden of England 12 Apr 19 6.28am

Originally posted by .TUX.

They thought the same about 'austerity'.
They were wrong then too.

In your opinion.
But you are not the government and didnt come into power with an empty bank account left to you by the preceding government.

 

dannyboy1978 Flag 12 Apr 19 6.53am

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

to lay any blame with the EU is barking up the wrong tree and leaving it will only worsen the situation. Tories will simply deregulate, our social wealth squeezed further upwards, and can force another generation of austerity, blaming Brexit since they can argue ultimately it wasn't their policy to leave, the electorate voted it

Biggest mistake of our lifetime

Because Labour's mass imigration didn't pull down wages did it, god you chat nonsece

Edited by dannyboy1978 (12 Apr 2019 7.02am)

 

.TUX. Flag 12 Apr 19 7.01am

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

to lay any blame with the EU is barking up the wrong tree and leaving it will only worsen the situation. Tories will simply deregulate, our social wealth squeezed further upwards, and can force another generation of austerity, blaming Brexit since they can argue ultimately it wasn't their policy to leave, the electorate voted it

Biggest mistake of our lifetime

The Fed, BoE, the ECB etc are all branches on the same tree, a tree that continues to rob us all (your labour is worth less in real terms than your fathers, his fathers etc etc) regardless of who happens to be 'in power'.
It's clear to see yet people continue to ignore it this simple fact.
Sadly.

 


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.TUX. Flag 12 Apr 19 7.12am

Originally posted by cryrst

In your opinion.
But you are not the government and didnt come into power with an empty bank account left to you by the preceding government.

George Osbourne admitted austerity was wrong after getting the sack, so i'm not alone with my opinion.
Secondly, when any given currency is printed from thin-air then the bank account is never empty.

Austerity is similar to you helping out your neighbour with his (self-inflicted) debt by lowering the pocket-money you give your children.
It's wrong. Period.

 


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Spiderman Flag Horsham 12 Apr 19 7.13am

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

Really? In the first vote in Ireland 53.4% voted no.

Teddy you really should know that certain posters on here would not consider that enough to win a vote

 

Spiderman Flag Horsham 12 Apr 19 7.14am

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

Really,? The general consensus in Ireland in 70-90% like being in the EU

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Euroscepticism seems to be only an English phenomenon

Really!!

 

Spiderman Flag Horsham 12 Apr 19 7.19am

Originally posted by steeleye20

It was a fix the electoral commission has already found it so.

Leave campaign appeal has been withdrawn.

The over-spend of dubious money influenced the vote in favour of leave in the last 24 hours.

'Fromage not Farage'

But you are happy that Cameron spent £9million of tax payers money distributing pro-remain leaflets? Surely as a leftie you were incandescent at this?

 

.TUX. Flag 12 Apr 19 7.26am

Originally posted by dannyboy1978

Because Labour's mass imigration didn't pull down wages did it, god you chat nonsece

Edited by dannyboy1978 (12 Apr 2019 7.02am)

Pussay continues to ignore the relationship between mass immigration (globalisation) and the ever growing wealth gap.
It's so obvious that i'm starting to think that he's on a wind-up.

 


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Pussay Patrol Flag 12 Apr 19 7.45am

Originally posted by .TUX.

Pussay continues to ignore the relationship between mass immigration (globalisation) and the ever growing wealth gap.
It's so obvious that i'm starting to think that he's on a wind-up.

Except it isn't, perhaps things need pointing out to avoid confusion, like facts, just you saying it doth butter no parsnips

I would be Intrigued to see the argument where a small country can prosper by cutting ties, having no trade arrangements, no Migrant policy and rejects the concept of globalisation

 


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Badger11 Flag Beckenham 12 Apr 19 7.46am

Originally posted by steeleye20

It was a fix the electoral commission has already found it so.

Leave campaign appeal has been withdrawn.

The over-spend of dubious money influenced the vote in favour of leave in the last 24 hours.

'Fromage not Farage'

C'mon Steeleye your arguments are normally better than this. The Electoral Commission has not found the referendum was a fix otherwise they would be asking Parliament to re-run it.

The commission did find that certain rules were broken by the Leave groups and also by the Remain groups but that seems to have been be swept under the carpet.

Whilst I have heard serious remain politicians demand a 2nd referendum because we didn't know what we voted for there is no campaign for a re-run due to electoral malpractice.

I don't excuse rule breaking but as others have posted this was never a level playing field to start with. The government was openly Remain and used our taxpayers money to tell us so.

Many parts of the establishment including the CBI, IMF, Obama, the BOE etc. tried to use their influence to persuade us to remain rather than staying neutral. I am surprised that the Electoral Commission allowed this when drawing up the rules.

How comes a Hungarian Billionaire can spend millions on telling us to Remain and not break the rules, because he is clever and worked out how to stay within them something the idiots in the leave campaign didn't manage to do.

The Tories massively broke the rules to stop Farage getting elected in Thanet and yet no one is calling for that election to be re-run.

Just because someone broke the rules it doesn't mean that had any demonstrable impact on the result otherwise the remain camp would be screaming foul and I don't mean the people who stand outside Parliament shouting through megaphones.

There our unproven claims that the Russians used social media to persuade us to vote leave. Social Media is mainly used by young people who voted Remain so even if the Russians did interfere it didn't work.

I'm sorry but the idea that the Referendum is a fix doesn't fly unless you want to agree that the rules were set by the remain government which is hardly impartial.

Edited by Badger11 (12 Apr 2019 7.51am)

 


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Badger11 Flag Beckenham 12 Apr 19 8.07am

I may change my mind about the referendum being fixed. It would appear that many of the Electoral Commissioners are openly pro Remain.

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Invalid user 2019 Flag 12 Apr 19 8.52am

The trouble with calls for a second referendum is that how many leave voters won't even bother to vote now due to feeling totally fobbed off for the past three years? So to me that doesn't make a fair vote. And if remain win by 3 or 4% how is that any different from the first vote?

Alternatives like a GE might result in a back at square one situation too though. I'm minded now of thinking that it's better to get out with a customs agreement of some kind and then work from there rather than risk the whole process. It would at least allow for immigration to be reigned in, which was the core concern of many.

My concern from there is that the government would continue with its new strategy, to bump up non EU immigration figures drastically to compensate for the EU drop off. Sure we can vote them out, but then a party that even more lax of immigration will get in. The failings of a two party system are becoming clear. Better to bring in some form of proportional representation so that all voices are heard across the board and where new parties can gain serious momentum.

 

steeleye20 Flag Croydon 12 Apr 19 9.28am

Originally posted by Badger11

I may change my mind about the referendum being fixed. It would appear that many of the Electoral Commissioners are openly pro Remain.

[Link]

Involving remain in the dubious goings on in the June 2016 referendum only reinforces the case against it.

A sad episode in our national life with the repercussions down the years.

 

Midlands Eagle Flag 12 Apr 19 9.50am

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol


I would be Intrigued to see the argument where a small country can prosper by cutting ties, having no trade arrangements, no Migrant policy and rejects the concept of globalisation

So would I.

As a matter of interest who were you thinking of as it certainly isn't the UK as there is a huge difference between "rejecting the concept of globalisation" and not wanting to be a part of the Franco German Federal State

 

chris123 Flag hove actually 12 Apr 19 10.08am

Originally posted by .TUX.

George Osbourne admitted austerity was wrong after getting the sack, so i'm not alone with my opinion.
Secondly, when any given currency is printed from thin-air then the bank account is never empty.

Austerity is similar to you helping out your neighbour with his (self-inflicted) debt by lowering the pocket-money you give your children.
It's wrong. Period.

Maybe, it helped that interest rates were low, and we won't really know until the Bank has unwound its position.

 

Invalid user 2019 Flag 12 Apr 19 10.34am

European elections: Nigel Farage launches Brexit Party

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dannyboy1978 Flag 12 Apr 19 11.32am

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

Except it isn't, perhaps things need pointing out to avoid confusion, like facts, just you saying it doth butter no parsnips

I would be Intrigued to see the argument where a small country can prosper by cutting ties, having no trade arrangements, no Migrant policy and rejects the concept of globalisation

Small country I hear you say, the one your ok with allowing mass immigration? No thought to damaged social cohesion, rapid change in culture. DO YOU HAVE ANY LIMITS?


And no Migrant policy you say? Freedom of movement is the definition of no policy!! Any one and everyone can come. Yer good one!!!

 

Badger11 Flag Beckenham 12 Apr 19 11.35am

Originally posted by dollardays

European elections: Nigel Farage launches Brexit Party

[Link]


A good day for the Remainers. I foresee that the Brexit vote will be split between UKIP and the Farage party a god send for the mainstream politicians. It's a pity that the Brexit side is not more united. If they have any common sense they will do a deal not to fight each other in certain seats.

 


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Badger11 Flag Beckenham 12 Apr 19 11.40am

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

Except it isn't, perhaps things need pointing out to avoid confusion, like facts, just you saying it doth butter no parsnips

I would be Intrigued to see the argument where a small country can prosper by cutting ties, having no trade arrangements, no Migrant policy and rejects the concept of globalisation

I don't believe that any mainstream politician has argued for this and the Tory government does has a post Brexit immigration policy whether you agree with it is another matter

Parliament should decide our immigration policy. For a Labour it may mean freedom of movement for others it may be based on skill sets or the requirements of the country at the time. I don't believe our immigration policy should be fixed it has to be flexible something that is impossible within the EU.

People who argue for freedom of movement as a right are actually saying that they want their way and that any future government cannot change that policy. I don't believe that a current government should commit future parliaments and voters who may not yet be born to policies which may not be applicable at the time.

Edited by Badger11 (12 Apr 2019 11.45am)

 


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