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Badger11 Beckenham 17 Apr 19 12.21pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger The bottom line is that we have had the referendum already. How many governments have people regretted electing? All of them eventually. It is in the nature of people to become dissatisfied with the existing circumstances. The difference is that we haven't even left the EU yet, so no one is in a position to judge the effects. Of course, some of us didn't just vote to line our own pockets and when have you ever heard a farmer happy about anything? Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (17 Apr 2019 10.51am) I am surprised that any farmers voted to leave. To me they are the natural constituents for the Remain camp. All that lovely free money they get versus the uncertainty of post Brexit funding. However they are just one part of our country albeit an important one. One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 17 Apr 19 12.21pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

The bottom line is that we have had the referendum already.
How many governments have people regretted electing?

All of them eventually. It is in the nature of people to become dissatisfied with the existing circumstances.

The difference is that we haven't even left the EU yet, so no one is in a position to judge the effects.

Of course, some of us didn't just vote to line our own pockets and when have you ever heard a farmer happy about anything?

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (17 Apr 2019 10.51am)

I am surprised that any farmers voted to leave. To me they are the natural constituents for the Remain camp. All that lovely free money they get versus the uncertainty of post Brexit funding.

However they are just one part of our country albeit an important one.

One more point

cpfc_chap koh samui 17 Apr 19 1.13pm
Originally posted by Teddy Eagle To repeat. I previously provided a link, which by the way wasn’t from one of your proscribed sources, and you dismissed it. Where are the links to back up your assertions? Remainers will only believe in there own sources all other are right-wing and irrelevant. They are the brainwashed people of society!

cpfc_chap

koh samui 17 Apr 19 1.13pm

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

To repeat. I previously provided a link, which by the way wasn’t from one of your proscribed sources, and you dismissed it.
Where are the links to back up your assertions?

Remainers will only believe in there own sources all other are right-wing and irrelevant. They are the brainwashed people of society!

Pussay Patrol 17 Apr 19 1.52pm
Originally posted by Badger11 I am surprised that any farmers voted to leave. To me they are the natural constituents for the Remain camp. All that lovely free money they get versus the uncertainty of post Brexit funding. However they are just one part of our country albeit an important one. Well obviously, its supporting local produce and ensuring a sustainable farming industry, unless you're in the camp of flooding the UK with cheap low quality produce and running our own industries into the ground? Taking back control equals passing more our wealth out of the country? Never ceases to amaze me the raft of negative things leavers knowingly voted for with no positive balancer Paua oouaarancì Irà chiyeah Ishé galé ma ba oo ah

Pussay Patrol

17 Apr 19 1.52pm

Originally posted by Badger11

I am surprised that any farmers voted to leave. To me they are the natural constituents for the Remain camp. All that lovely free money they get versus the uncertainty of post Brexit funding.

However they are just one part of our country albeit an important one.

Well obviously, its supporting local produce and ensuring a sustainable farming industry, unless you're in the camp of flooding the UK with cheap low quality produce and running our own industries into the ground? Taking back control equals passing more our wealth out of the country?

Never ceases to amaze me the raft of negative things leavers knowingly voted for with no positive balancer

Paua oouaarancì Irà chiyeah Ishé galé ma ba oo ah

chris123 hove actually 17 Apr 19 2.10pm
Originally posted by Badger11 I am surprised that any farmers voted to leave. To me they are the natural constituents for the Remain camp. All that lovely free money they get versus the uncertainty of post Brexit funding. However they are just one part of our country albeit an important one. I doubt many would prefer to carry on under CAP, even tough it's been revised over the years, the subsidy system is deeply flawed and I'm not surprised farmers voted leave.

chris123

hove actually 17 Apr 19 2.10pm

Originally posted by Badger11

I am surprised that any farmers voted to leave. To me they are the natural constituents for the Remain camp. All that lovely free money they get versus the uncertainty of post Brexit funding.

However they are just one part of our country albeit an important one.

I doubt many would prefer to carry on under CAP, even tough it's been revised over the years, the subsidy system is deeply flawed and I'm not surprised farmers voted leave.

Teddy Eagle 17 Apr 19 2.14pm
Originally posted by Pussay Patrol Well obviously, its supporting local produce and ensuring a sustainable farming industry, unless you're in the camp of flooding the UK with cheap low quality produce and running our own industries into the ground? Taking back control equals passing more our wealth out of the country? Never ceases to amaze me the raft of negative things leavers knowingly voted for with no positive balancer You mean like Prince Charles’ farm produce?

Teddy Eagle

17 Apr 19 2.14pm

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

Never ceases to amaze me the raft of negative things leavers knowingly voted for with no positive balancer

You mean like Prince Charles’ farm produce?

Pussay Patrol 17 Apr 19 2.24pm
Originally posted by chris123 I doubt many would prefer to carry on under CAP, even tough it's been revised over the years, the subsidy system is deeply flawed and I'm not surprised farmers voted leave. Farmers voted to not have subsidies? What do they get in return for the subsidies they give up? Paua oouaarancì Irà chiyeah Ishé galé ma ba oo ah

Pussay Patrol

17 Apr 19 2.24pm

Originally posted by chris123

I doubt many would prefer to carry on under CAP, even tough it's been revised over the years, the subsidy system is deeply flawed and I'm not surprised farmers voted leave.

Farmers voted to not have subsidies?

What do they get in return for the subsidies they give up?

Paua oouaarancì Irà chiyeah Ishé galé ma ba oo ah

Lyons550 Shirley 17 Apr 19 2.36pm
Originally posted by Pussay Patrol I'm not saying that, I just dislike lazy retorts and throw away remarks to discredit a good debate where one has presented a credible article to support their argument Just accept its a goal for our side and try and find an equaliser Edited by Pussay Patrol (17 Apr 2019 10.34am) You should be a politician..(or change your moniker to either 'Teflon' or 'Diverter' as you rarely answer direct questions that highlight you're as bad as those you try and dig out regarding baseless assumptions. The Voice of Reason In An Otherwise Mediocre World

Lyons550

Shirley 17 Apr 19 2.36pm

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

I'm not saying that, I just dislike lazy retorts and throw away remarks to discredit a good debate where one has presented a credible article to support their argument

Just accept its a goal for our side and try and find an equaliser

Edited by Pussay Patrol (17 Apr 2019 10.34am)

You should be a politician..(or change your moniker to either 'Teflon' or 'Diverter' as you rarely answer direct questions that highlight you're as bad as those you try and dig out regarding baseless assumptions.

The Voice of Reason In An Otherwise Mediocre World

chris123 hove actually 17 Apr 19 2.42pm
Originally posted by Pussay Patrol Farmers voted to not have subsidies? What do they get in return for the subsidies they give up? The current system is acreage based, so not eco friendly at all.

chris123

hove actually 17 Apr 19 2.42pm

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

Farmers voted to not have subsidies?

What do they get in return for the subsidies they give up?

The current system is acreage based, so not eco friendly at all.

Pussay Patrol 17 Apr 19 2.54pm
Originally posted by chris123 The current system is acreage based, so not eco friendly at all. Why would a business want less income? Paua oouaarancì Irà chiyeah Ishé galé ma ba oo ah

Pussay Patrol

17 Apr 19 2.54pm

Originally posted by chris123

The current system is acreage based, so not eco friendly at all.

Why would a business want less income?

Paua oouaarancì Irà chiyeah Ishé galé ma ba oo ah

Teddy Eagle 17 Apr 19 3.00pm
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Teddy Eagle

17 Apr 19 3.00pm

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chris123 hove actually 17 Apr 19 3.01pm
Originally posted by Pussay Patrol Why would a business want less income? Do you really know nothing about this?

chris123

hove actually 17 Apr 19 3.01pm

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

Why would a business want less income?

Do you really know nothing about this?

Pussay Patrol 17 Apr 19 3.14pm
Originally posted by chris123 Do you really know nothing about this? Yes I need to understand how farmers are better off without subsidies Paua oouaarancì Irà chiyeah Ishé galé ma ba oo ah

Pussay Patrol

17 Apr 19 3.14pm

Originally posted by chris123

Do you really know nothing about this?

Yes

I need to understand how farmers are better off without subsidies

Paua oouaarancì Irà chiyeah Ishé galé ma ba oo ah

Teddy Eagle 17 Apr 19 3.20pm
Originally posted by Pussay Patrol Yes I need to understand how farmers are better off without subsidies 80% of subsidies are paid to 20% of farmers. Small farms don’t receive much whereas the Queen receives around €500,000.

Teddy Eagle

17 Apr 19 3.20pm

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

Yes

I need to understand how farmers are better off without subsidies

80% of subsidies are paid to 20% of farmers. Small farms don’t receive much whereas the Queen receives around €500,000.

chris123 hove actually 17 Apr 19 3.43pm
Originally posted by Pussay Patrol Yes I need to understand how farmers are better off without subsidies The CAP system pays out on acreage, including land not being farmed, so cut down a hedgerow and get more subsidy. Replaced by direct payments based on environmental standards.

chris123

hove actually 17 Apr 19 3.43pm

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

Yes

I need to understand how farmers are better off without subsidies

The CAP system pays out on acreage, including land not being farmed, so cut down a hedgerow and get more subsidy. Replaced by direct payments based on environmental standards.

becky over the moon 17 Apr 19 3.52pm
Originally posted by Teddy Eagle 80% of subsidies are paid to 20% of farmers. Small farms don’t receive much whereas the Queen receives around €500,000. ...and you don't even have to live in the country where the subsidised land is - just own some land there. [Link] A stairway to Heaven and a Highway to Hell give some indication of expected traffic numbers

becky

over the moon 17 Apr 19 3.52pm

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

80% of subsidies are paid to 20% of farmers. Small farms don’t receive much whereas the Queen receives around €500,000.

...and you don't even have to live in the country where the subsidised land is - just own some land there.

[Link]

A stairway to Heaven and a Highway to Hell give some indication of expected traffic numbers

Pussay Patrol 17 Apr 19 4.00pm
Originally posted by chris123 The CAP system pays out on acreage, including land not being farmed, so cut down a hedgerow and get more subsidy. Replaced by direct payments based on environmental standards. So farmers are financially better off not having them? Paua oouaarancì Irà chiyeah Ishé galé ma ba oo ah

Pussay Patrol

17 Apr 19 4.00pm

Originally posted by chris123

The CAP system pays out on acreage, including land not being farmed, so cut down a hedgerow and get more subsidy. Replaced by direct payments based on environmental standards.

So farmers are financially better off not having them?

Paua oouaarancì Irà chiyeah Ishé galé ma ba oo ah

Badger11 Beckenham 17 Apr 19 4.01pm
I have seen stories about the mega rich getting these subsidies when clearly they don't need them. I don't know enough to have the answer but I would hope that any future subsidies would be based around protecting the environment and the quality of the food. If a farmer wishes to go organic or move away from factory intensive farming that should be encouraged. One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 17 Apr 19 4.01pm

I have seen stories about the mega rich getting these subsidies when clearly they don't need them.

I don't know enough to have the answer but I would hope that any future subsidies would be based around protecting the environment and the quality of the food.

If a farmer wishes to go organic or move away from factory intensive farming that should be encouraged.

One more point

Mapletree Croydon 17 Apr 19 4.09pm
Originally posted by chris123 The CAP system pays out on acreage, including land not being farmed, so cut down a hedgerow and get more subsidy. Replaced by direct payments based on environmental standards. Except that the Single Farm Payment has environmental requirements and you lose payment if those are not adhered to. Cutting a hedgerow would almost inevitably mean losing payments. In addition, currently over a quarter of payments are not on Hectares but are directly linked to rural development initiatives. You may have seen the widening of hedgerows for example. We can do better than the CAP no doubt. That would be better done within wider EU reform. But farmers are now realising they can't expect much after 2017 when the transition period finishes.

Mapletree

Croydon 17 Apr 19 4.09pm

Originally posted by chris123

The CAP system pays out on acreage, including land not being farmed, so cut down a hedgerow and get more subsidy. Replaced by direct payments based on environmental standards.

Except that the Single Farm Payment has environmental requirements and you lose payment if those are not adhered to. Cutting a hedgerow would almost inevitably mean losing payments.

In addition, currently over a quarter of payments are not on Hectares but are directly linked to rural development initiatives. You may have seen the widening of hedgerows for example.

We can do better than the CAP no doubt. That would be better done within wider EU reform. But farmers are now realising they can't expect much after 2017 when the transition period finishes.

Midlands Eagle 17 Apr 19 5.29pm
Originally posted by Pussay Patrol I just dislike lazy retorts and throw away remarks to discredit a good debate That hypocritical comment from Sydney Sound Bite had me laughing all day

Midlands Eagle

17 Apr 19 5.29pm

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

I just dislike lazy retorts and throw away remarks to discredit a good debate

That hypocritical comment from Sydney Sound Bite had me laughing all day

EverybodyDannsNow SE19 17 Apr 19 5.50pm
Originally posted by SW19 CPFC You don’t. You have a full on Orwellian complex. I’m yet to see one post where you don’t in some way crowbar in your fully observable facts and dress them up as sagely tellings that no one else has seen. Mix in a bit of chicken little, a tin hat, sandwich board and some bud, and we’re there. Again. For the 456 millionth time. I’m waiting for the post that attempts to link a palace result to the global financial crisis.

EverybodyDannsNow

SE19 17 Apr 19 5.50pm

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

You don’t. You have a full on Orwellian complex. I’m yet to see one post where you don’t in some way crowbar in your fully observable facts and dress them up as sagely tellings that no one else has seen. Mix in a bit of chicken little, a tin hat, sandwich board and some bud, and we’re there. Again. For the 456 millionth time.

I’m waiting for the post that attempts to link a palace result to the global financial crisis.

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