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Originally posted by cryrst
I stand by my own opinion of the voting requirements. You may have a point about an upper age limit although I disagree about 16. Once upon a time yes because most 16yo's worked, today they are nearly all in education so are not yet contributing so no vote as far as I am concerned. I would have also stopped ex pat's voting. It is ridiculous that someone who left these shores 14 years ago and doesn't pay tax in the UK can still have a vote. I would say after a year unless you are armed forces you lose the vote. Interestingly the USA demands that all citizens pay tax wherever they are domiciled or give up their citizenship. In return they are allowed to vote that seems a fairer system to me.
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Originally posted by Badger11
You may have a point about an upper age limit although I disagree about 16. Once upon a time yes because most 16yo's worked, today they are nearly all in education so are not yet contributing so no vote as far as I am concerned. I would have also stopped ex pat's voting. It is ridiculous that someone who left these shores 14 years ago and doesn't pay tax in the UK can still have a vote. I would say after a year unless you are armed forces you lose the vote. Interestingly the USA demands that all citizens pay tax wherever they are domiciled or give up their citizenship. In return they are allowed to vote that seems a fairer system to me. Most 16 year olda are in education because they are not given time to find a job.
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Originally posted by cryrst
Most 16 year olda are in education because they are not given time to find a job. We should be steering them towards proper apprenticeships (not Mcapprentiships) if they are not academic. If they put the effort in then I would be happy for them to receive an allowance.
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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol
OK, just got to wait 50-100 years Presumably you're thinking 3-5 generations ahead? Edited by Pussay Patrol (26 Oct 2018 10.44am) More like 4 or 5 years. That's when the next global recession will have hit and after the last round of European elections (Germany, France, Holland, Austria etc) Eurosceptic parties are now in opposition. The incumbent government always gets the blame for a recession whether it's anything to do with them or not. So in around 5 years' time the whole Eurozone project comes under severe pressure again and this time is unlikely to survive (the electorates keep getting ignored by those who know best). By then, we may have left and experienced whatever downturns we are going to face (if we don't leave we're in a fine old mess all over again when what we strove to stay part of, disintegrates). My guess is that if we fast forward about 10 years or so we'll be part of a European Union II consisting of us, Germany, France, the Benelux countries and one or two others. Feel free to tell me I'm wrong then.
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Originally posted by mezzer
More like 4 or 5 years. That's when the next global recession will have hit and after the last round of European elections (Germany, France, Holland, Austria etc) Eurosceptic parties are now in opposition. The incumbent government always gets the blame for a recession whether it's anything to do with them or not. So in around 5 years' time the whole Eurozone project comes under severe pressure again and this time is unlikely to survive (the electorates keep getting ignored by those who know best). By then, we may have left and experienced whatever downturns we are going to face (if we don't leave we're in a fine old mess all over again when what we strove to stay part of, disintegrates). My guess is that if we fast forward about 10 years or so we'll be part of a European Union II consisting of us, Germany, France, the Benelux countries and one or two others. Feel free to tell me I'm wrong then. I would not have a problem with a Northern European trading bloc as long as we still had national sovereignty. Not everything in the current EU is bad and shared interests makes sense. Its the political side I object too.
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Originally posted by cryrst
Most 16 year olda are in education because they are not given time to find a job. Or they could do what my generation did (from 13 yo as we went out to work proper at 15/16) and put down their bl**dy mobiles, get off social media and get a part-time job that will give their own money to spend. A far more worthwhile exercise than simply handing them someone else's money!
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Originally posted by becky
Or they could do what my generation did (from 13 yo as we went out to work proper at 15/16) and put down their bl**dy mobiles, get off social media and get a part-time job that will give their own money to spend. A far more worthwhile exercise than simply handing them someone else's money! I have advocated this for years. I have always said that pupils who simply have no interest in school at the age of say 14/15 be given limited job placement so they can experience getting up on sub zero mornings at 4.30am & then sitting in a traffic jam for an hour & a half before starting a days work, then experiencing that homeward bound traffic jam again.
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The NFU keep harping on that there will be a shortage of fruit pickers and seasonal labour. Young people in their summer holidays or at weekends would seem ideal for this task.
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Originally posted by Stuk
The NFU keep harping on that there will be a shortage of fruit pickers and seasonal labour. Young people in their summer holidays or at weekends would seem ideal for this task. What about when they're at school and it needs picking? Good luck getting young people to do that for a pittance as well. I did it for one day when I was at school and that was more than enough.
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Originally posted by DanH
What about when they're at school and it needs picking? Good luck getting young people to do that for a pittance as well. I did it for one day when I was at school and that was more than enough. I think most of these companies pay above the minimum wage so i dont think its a pittance.
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Originally posted by becky
Or they could do what my generation did (from 13 yo as we went out to work proper at 15/16) and put down their bl**dy mobiles, get off social media and get a part-time job that will give their own money to spend. A far more worthwhile exercise than simply handing them someone else's money! Not fair at all.
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Originally posted by DanH
What about when they're at school and it needs picking? Good luck getting young people to do that for a pittance as well. I did it for one day when I was at school and that was more than enough. They don't have to make up the entire workforce but for a month and half, at least, in peak season they could provide a glut of additional labour. Or 10 weeks of the 6 month season including other holidays. And they can always reintroduce the seasonal agriculture scheme that was only dropped 5 years ago due to the availability of EU labour.
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