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Badger11 Flag Beckenham 26 Oct 18 11.13am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

I stand by my own opinion of the voting requirements.
Those being aged 16-75
At 16 you need to work so that makes that argument.
At 76 you normally have retired and will be over 80 once it all comes to fruition.
Hows it going to affect you.
Dont be fooled by peoples reasons.
A lot was purely for immigration but as the environment we are in makes you a racist not many are going to fess up to it.
Bbc asked 10 people on camera to write down their reason.
5 said for trading reasons
5 said for our own laws
Not one said immigration.
What a load of twaddle.
No one would go on camera admitting it
Would you !?

You may have a point about an upper age limit although I disagree about 16. Once upon a time yes because most 16yo's worked, today they are nearly all in education so are not yet contributing so no vote as far as I am concerned.

I would have also stopped ex pat's voting. It is ridiculous that someone who left these shores 14 years ago and doesn't pay tax in the UK can still have a vote. I would say after a year unless you are armed forces you lose the vote.

Interestingly the USA demands that all citizens pay tax wherever they are domiciled or give up their citizenship. In return they are allowed to vote that seems a fairer system to me.

 


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cryrst Flag The garden of England 26 Oct 18 11.21am Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

You may have a point about an upper age limit although I disagree about 16. Once upon a time yes because most 16yo's worked, today they are nearly all in education so are not yet contributing so no vote as far as I am concerned.

I would have also stopped ex pat's voting. It is ridiculous that someone who left these shores 14 years ago and doesn't pay tax in the UK can still have a vote. I would say after a year unless you are armed forces you lose the vote.

Interestingly the USA demands that all citizens pay tax wherever they are domiciled or give up their citizenship. In return they are allowed to vote that seems a fairer system to me.

Most 16 year olda are in education because they are not given time to find a job.
How many turn 18 and are still no better in an academic form than at 16.
They should be given an allowance for say 4months, minimal just to get them used to having a bit of dough in their pocket.
That would inspire them to want to have that regularly and look for a job.
If no joy after that time then it stops and you go education or go without.

 

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Badger11 Flag Beckenham 26 Oct 18 11.40am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

Most 16 year olda are in education because they are not given time to find a job.
How many turn 18 and are still no better in an academic form than at 16.
They should be given an allowance for say 4months, minimal just to get them used to having a bit of dough in their pocket.
That would inspire them to want to have that regularly and look for a job.
If no joy after that time then it stops and you go education or go without.

We should be steering them towards proper apprenticeships (not Mcapprentiships) if they are not academic. If they put the effort in then I would be happy for them to receive an allowance.

 


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mezzer Flag Main Stand, Block F, Row 20 seat 1... 26 Oct 18 1.09pm Send a Private Message to mezzer Add mezzer as a friend

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

OK, just got to wait 50-100 years

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Presumably you're thinking 3-5 generations ahead?

Edited by Pussay Patrol (26 Oct 2018 10.44am)

More like 4 or 5 years. That's when the next global recession will have hit and after the last round of European elections (Germany, France, Holland, Austria etc) Eurosceptic parties are now in opposition. The incumbent government always gets the blame for a recession whether it's anything to do with them or not.

So in around 5 years' time the whole Eurozone project comes under severe pressure again and this time is unlikely to survive (the electorates keep getting ignored by those who know best). By then, we may have left and experienced whatever downturns we are going to face (if we don't leave we're in a fine old mess all over again when what we strove to stay part of, disintegrates).

My guess is that if we fast forward about 10 years or so we'll be part of a European Union II consisting of us, Germany, France, the Benelux countries and one or two others.

Feel free to tell me I'm wrong then.

 


Living down here does have some advantages. At least you can see them cry.

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Badger11 Flag Beckenham 26 Oct 18 1.15pm Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by mezzer

More like 4 or 5 years. That's when the next global recession will have hit and after the last round of European elections (Germany, France, Holland, Austria etc) Eurosceptic parties are now in opposition. The incumbent government always gets the blame for a recession whether it's anything to do with them or not.

So in around 5 years' time the whole Eurozone project comes under severe pressure again and this time is unlikely to survive (the electorates keep getting ignored by those who know best). By then, we may have left and experienced whatever downturns we are going to face (if we don't leave we're in a fine old mess all over again when what we strove to stay part of, disintegrates).

My guess is that if we fast forward about 10 years or so we'll be part of a European Union II consisting of us, Germany, France, the Benelux countries and one or two others.

Feel free to tell me I'm wrong then.

I would not have a problem with a Northern European trading bloc as long as we still had national sovereignty. Not everything in the current EU is bad and shared interests makes sense. Its the political side I object too.

 


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becky Flag over the moon 26 Oct 18 3.08pm Send a Private Message to becky Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add becky as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

Most 16 year olda are in education because they are not given time to find a job.
How many turn 18 and are still no better in an academic form than at 16.
They should be given an allowance for say 4months, minimal just to get them used to having a bit of dough in their pocket.
That would inspire them to want to have that regularly and look for a job.
If no joy after that time then it stops and you go education or go without.

Or they could do what my generation did (from 13 yo as we went out to work proper at 15/16) and put down their bl**dy mobiles, get off social media and get a part-time job that will give their own money to spend. A far more worthwhile exercise than simply handing them someone else's money!

 


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Jimenez Flag SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 26 Oct 18 3.20pm Send a Private Message to Jimenez Add Jimenez as a friend

Originally posted by becky

Or they could do what my generation did (from 13 yo as we went out to work proper at 15/16) and put down their bl**dy mobiles, get off social media and get a part-time job that will give their own money to spend. A far more worthwhile exercise than simply handing them someone else's money!

I have advocated this for years. I have always said that pupils who simply have no interest in school at the age of say 14/15 be given limited job placement so they can experience getting up on sub zero mornings at 4.30am & then sitting in a traffic jam for an hour & a half before starting a days work, then experiencing that homeward bound traffic jam again.
My guess is after a week or so of this they would soon knuckle under back at school & achieve higher test results ergo better job prospects rather than leaving school with no qualifications & then labouring on construction sites for the next 40 years or flipping Burgers.

 


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Stuk Flag Top half 26 Oct 18 3.24pm Send a Private Message to Stuk Add Stuk as a friend

The NFU keep harping on that there will be a shortage of fruit pickers and seasonal labour. Young people in their summer holidays or at weekends would seem ideal for this task.

 


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DanH Flag SW2 26 Oct 18 4.12pm Send a Private Message to DanH Add DanH as a friend

Originally posted by Stuk

The NFU keep harping on that there will be a shortage of fruit pickers and seasonal labour. Young people in their summer holidays or at weekends would seem ideal for this task.

What about when they're at school and it needs picking?

Good luck getting young people to do that for a pittance as well. I did it for one day when I was at school and that was more than enough.

 

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cryrst Flag The garden of England 26 Oct 18 4.17pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by DanH

What about when they're at school and it needs picking?

Good luck getting young people to do that for a pittance as well. I did it for one day when I was at school and that was more than enough.

I think most of these companies pay above the minimum wage so i dont think its a pittance.
On tv a while back a farmer was paying nearly £11 an hour. You would struggle to get that on the high street.

 

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cryrst Flag The garden of England 26 Oct 18 4.21pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by becky

Or they could do what my generation did (from 13 yo as we went out to work proper at 15/16) and put down their bl**dy mobiles, get off social media and get a part-time job that will give their own money to spend. A far more worthwhile exercise than simply handing them someone else's money!

Not fair at all.
The rules about now are to protect the minors and the employers.
And everyone for example, who has kids like me gets given someone elses money if thats your point.
Did you have kids.
Hows that fair on people without them.
Glass houses and all.

 

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Stuk Flag Top half 26 Oct 18 4.33pm Send a Private Message to Stuk Add Stuk as a friend

Originally posted by DanH

What about when they're at school and it needs picking?

Good luck getting young people to do that for a pittance as well. I did it for one day when I was at school and that was more than enough.

They don't have to make up the entire workforce but for a month and half, at least, in peak season they could provide a glut of additional labour. Or 10 weeks of the 6 month season including other holidays.

And they can always reintroduce the seasonal agriculture scheme that was only dropped 5 years ago due to the availability of EU labour.

 


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