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 Mapletree  Croydon 12 Dec 19 4.49pm |
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
His constituents seem to like him as he has won the last two General Elections with substantial majorities
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| elgrande bedford 12 Dec 19 4.51pm |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
Well done you I don't suppose your employees took that into account when deciding to work for you and to continue to work for you... They worked for me because I was a very easy going boss,they did their jobs and we had fun.
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| Stirlingsays 12 Dec 19 4.52pm |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
I should imagine he'll increase his majority.
'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen) |
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| Mapletree Croydon 12 Dec 19 4.53pm |
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Originally posted by elgrande
They worked for me because I was a very easy going boss,they did their jobs and we had fun. And you gave them healthcare... Do you know, I can imagine you as an easy going boss, never one to pick an argument.
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| elgrande bedford 12 Dec 19 4.53pm |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
They don't use the system. Despite assurances that they would not, the Border authorities use NHS records to track down illegal immigrants. As a result they aren't registering with the NHS So if you go to A&E, you have to be registered or they wont treat you,is that what you are saying.?
always a Norwood boy, where ever I live. |
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| Mapletree Croydon 12 Dec 19 4.53pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
I should imagine he'll increase his majority. Phnah phnah. He's got 6 children already.
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| Mapletree Croydon 12 Dec 19 4.55pm |
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Originally posted by elgrande
So if you go to A&E, you have to be registered or they wont treat you,is that what you are saying.? I am actually not sure with A&E I think you may have to fill in a form. Even if not I suspect illegal immigrants may steer clear for fear. I wouldn't think A&E is the biggest area of cost for the NHS though
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| Stirlingsays 12 Dec 19 4.56pm |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
Environmental terrorist It's more about being in a hollow metal tube that's traveling at 500 mph....I have to be cajoled to get on those things. I prefer cruises or UK holidays.....which have the downside of being more expensive of course. Edited by Stirlingsays (12 Dec 2019 4.57pm)
'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen) |
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| Mapletree Croydon 12 Dec 19 4.56pm |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
I am actually not sure with A&E I think you may have to fill in a form. Even if not I suspect illegal immigrants may steer clear for fear. I wouldn't think A&E is the biggest area of cost for the NHS though What happens at A&E? 1. Register If you're not in a life-threatening or serious condition, you will be prioritised by the A&E hospital team along with other patients waiting to be seen – arriving by ambulance does not necessarily mean you will be seen sooner than if you had walked in to A&E. If you go to A&E by yourself, you'll need to register first. You'll be asked a few questions such as name and address but also why you are visiting A&E. If you have been to the hospital before, the reception staff will also have access to your health records. Once you've registered, you'll be asked to wait until you are called for your assessment.
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| Mapletree Croydon 12 Dec 19 4.58pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
It's more about being in a hollow metal tube that's traveling at 500 mph....I have to be cajoled to get on those things. I prefer cruises or UK holidays.....which have the downside of being more expensive of course. Edited by Stirlingsays (12 Dec 2019 4.57pm) I know a great rubbish shoot in West Croydon
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| Stirlingsays 12 Dec 19 4.59pm |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
Phnah phnah. He's got 6 children already.
'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen) |
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| Stirlingsays 12 Dec 19 5.02pm |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
I know a great rubbish shoot in West Croydon Alton Towers for the very skint. Edited by Stirlingsays (12 Dec 2019 5.03pm)
'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen) |
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| elgrande bedford 12 Dec 19 5.20pm |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
And you gave them healthcare... Do you know, I can imagine you as an easy going boss, never one to pick an argument.
Ha ha,I resemble that remark.
always a Norwood boy, where ever I live. |
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| Spiderman Horsham 12 Dec 19 5.30pm |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
They don't use the system. Despite assurances that they would not, the Border authorities use NHS records to track down illegal immigrants. As a result they aren't registering with the NHS I would be very interested to see a link for your statement. Having worked in Immigration/ Border Force for over 40 years I never came across this, my wife still works for BF and is not aware of this, of course you may know better. It is true that foreign nationals who owe money for healthcare received in the UK ( for which they are not entitled) are put on a watch list, should they return or apply for a visa. Not registering ( Iif this is true) is not the same as accessing the NHS. I have seen many examples of NHS abuse, running into hundreds of thousands of pounds. Of course if you are happy with this ( maybe one of the reasons for long waiting times and lack of money) that is your prerogative
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| Mapletree Croydon 12 Dec 19 5.36pm |
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Originally posted by Spiderman
I would be very interested to see a link for your statement. Having worked in Immigration/ Border Force for over 40 years I never came across this, my wife still works for BF and is not aware of this, of course you may know better. It is true that foreign nationals who owe money for healthcare received in the UK ( for which they are not entitled) are put on a watch list, should they return or apply for a visa. Not registering ( Iif this is true) is not the same as accessing the NHS. I have seen many examples of NHS abuse, running into hundreds of thousands of pounds. Of course if you are happy with this ( maybe one of the reasons for long waiting times and lack of money) that is your prerogative
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| elgrande bedford 12 Dec 19 5.59pm |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
£500,if I used a service,say the dentist and ran up a 500 pound debt you would be sure they would chase me for it,with lawyers and bailiffs.
always a Norwood boy, where ever I live. |
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| DanH SW2 12 Dec 19 6.05pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Where did you move to again? But to address you seriously, the tax system and burden are already quite significant. The NHS for example employs 1.3 million people. This isn't a low tax economy.
I know it's not. I am aware of what I already pay to the sh*tshows of governments so far in my working life Look at Scandinavia though and the high tax/social security systems they have and the quality of life. If you have a government that knows what it's doing and looking out for people rather than profit then things can be better.
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| chris123 hove actually 12 Dec 19 6.06pm |
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Originally posted by Spiderman
I would be very interested to see a link for your statement. Having worked in Immigration/ Border Force for over 40 years I never came across this, my wife still works for BF and is not aware of this, of course you may know better. It is true that foreign nationals who owe money for healthcare received in the UK ( for which they are not entitled) are put on a watch list, should they return or apply for a visa. Not registering ( Iif this is true) is not the same as accessing the NHS. I have seen many examples of NHS abuse, running into hundreds of thousands of pounds. Of course if you are happy with this ( maybe one of the reasons for long waiting times and lack of money) that is your prerogative I agree if it's chasing unpaid NHS bills.
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| Spiderman Horsham 12 Dec 19 6.12pm |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
Ah the Independent. As I said, yes these details are used to chase foreign nationals for costs incurred but only if they seek re-entry or apply for a visa. I have never heard of anyone being removed due to not paying for treatment. Emergency treatment is more often than not free for all. I could tell you many facts about how people abuse the NHS but what’s t point you will believe whatever suits your political agenda. If you feel that someone from Nigeria (for example) who has never contributed towards the NHS should be allowed to enter the U.K. and immediately give birth to twins at your expense, then fine but don’t complain about lack of funds/ beds available.
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| W12 12 Dec 19 6.20pm | |
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Originally posted by ddjdd
firstly, the UK population hasn't grown by 10m in the last 10 years. source: [Link] secondly, the UK population growth rate of 0.6% puts it as the 147th fastest growing national population in the world. Hardly a growth rate that would cause a public services (inc NHS) crisis. source: [Link] the crisis in public services is a direct result of 9 year of underfunding. anyone who tells you otherwise probably just wants the party that has presided over this underfunding to remain in power. Sorry but that's clearly bollox Spending on the NHS continues to rise in real terms year on year but the population grows by about 500,000 each year so spending will never keep up with it. Comparing the population growth rate in the UK to 3rd world countries or countries that have a much lower population density is ridiculous. How much do you think it costs to pay for healthcare for half a million extra people every year? This is all in the context of a shrinking native population so *all* of this growth relates directly to immigration. It's clear (for those that use their eyes) that most of these people cannot pay their share of taxes so the cost is met with borrowing and reducing the service to people that have actually paid into the system. Obvioulsy this is also true of all other "free" services. We also justify more of this because we need mopre doctors and nurses. Yet we keep idiots in labour telling us we are one of the wealthiest countries in the world and still give away billions in foreign aid to countries that either don't need it or have corrupt regimes. Look at the state of it: I'm no longer proud to be British. We are a joke and a disgrace.
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