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Matov 12 Dec 19 10.30pm
Originally posted by dollardays That's a good point. I do think Corbyn received fairly horrendous negative press coverage across the board really, but the added aspect of Boris being an eccentric character and larger than life figure, does paint a certain narrative. The problem with May is that due to her awkward nature it made it hard to really be a cheerleader for her. Johnson beat Livingstone. Twice. In London. I despise the man and only backed him because of Brexit but he does have something about him that enables him to beat real lefies. How he might have done against a Blair like character, a different story. "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

Matov

12 Dec 19 10.30pm

Originally posted by dollardays

That's a good point. I do think Corbyn received fairly horrendous negative press coverage across the board really, but the added aspect of Boris being an eccentric character and larger than life figure, does paint a certain narrative. The problem with May is that due to her awkward nature it made it hard to really be a cheerleader for her.

Johnson beat Livingstone. Twice. In London. I despise the man and only backed him because of Brexit but he does have something about him that enables him to beat real lefies. How he might have done against a Blair like character, a different story.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

Stirlingsays 12 Dec 19 10.33pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger It might also have something to do with two far left w***ers heading their campaign and stopping a democratic decision from being realised. I think those two would have been quite happy to wave bye bye to the EU....it's was their party. Still, all the better for us. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

12 Dec 19 10.33pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

It might also have something to do with two far left w***ers heading their campaign and stopping a democratic decision from being realised.

I think those two would have been quite happy to wave bye bye to the EU....it's was their party.

Still, all the better for us.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Spiderman Horsham 12 Dec 19 10.33pm
Originally posted by dollardays the exit poll suggests a 46% Tory vote Won't be enough for Wissie to accept

Spiderman

Horsham 12 Dec 19 10.33pm

Originally posted by dollardays

the exit poll suggests a 46% Tory vote

Won't be enough for Wissie to accept

Invalid user 2019 12 Dec 19 10.33pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger He still thinks Labour's swing to the left has nothing to do with it. Deluded. I think the party itself was too torn on Brexit for a coherent message to be made. Even the toris had to have something akin to a cull during their internal brexit battles when it was far less of an issue for the party. The good thing going forward is that there is no ambiguity now. It's a thumping majority and so there are no excuses. If Boris makes a success of it, he's sitting pretty, if he f***s it up then the oppsite. I think long term it'll be a relief for people to move beyond one issue politics.

Invalid user 2019

12 Dec 19 10.33pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

He still thinks Labour's swing to the left has nothing to do with it.

Deluded.

I think the party itself was too torn on Brexit for a coherent message to be made. Even the toris had to have something akin to a cull during their internal brexit battles when it was far less of an issue for the party. The good thing going forward is that there is no ambiguity now. It's a thumping majority and so there are no excuses. If Boris makes a success of it, he's sitting pretty, if he f***s it up then the oppsite. I think long term it'll be a relief for people to move beyond one issue politics.

Invalid user 2019 12 Dec 19 10.37pm
Originally posted by Matov Johnson beat Livingstone. Twice. In London. I despise the man and only backed him because of Brexit but he does have something about him that enables him to beat real lefies. How he might have done against a Blair like character, a different story. Yes he's one of the few characters in UK politics really. I have my reservations too as I'm not convinced politically he really believes in anything, but he's tasked with the job now, and if the exit poll is accurate nothing is standing in his way to enact those manifesto promises.

Invalid user 2019

12 Dec 19 10.37pm

Originally posted by Matov

Yes he's one of the few characters in UK politics really. I have my reservations too as I'm not convinced politically he really believes in anything, but he's tasked with the job now, and if the exit poll is accurate nothing is standing in his way to enact those manifesto promises.

Stirlingsays 12 Dec 19 10.37pm
Originally posted by dollardays That's a good point. I do think Corbyn received fairly horrendous negative press coverage across the board really, but the added aspect of Boris being an eccentric character and larger than life figure, does paint a certain narrative. The problem with May is that due to her awkward nature it made it hard to really be a cheerleader for her. Yep, I'd agree. I'd also say that some of the criticism Corbyn got was pretty out there.....Johnson got it too....but I didn't expect people on Twitter saying a vote for Corbyn was like a vote for Hitler. I can't stand the man but.....no, it's not....feck's sake. Edited by Stirlingsays (12 Dec 2019 10.38pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

12 Dec 19 10.37pm

Originally posted by dollardays

Yep, I'd agree.

I'd also say that some of the criticism Corbyn got was pretty out there.....Johnson got it too....but I didn't expect people on Twitter saying a vote for Corbyn was like a vote for Hitler.

I can't stand the man but.....no, it's not....feck's sake.

Edited by Stirlingsays (12 Dec 2019 10.38pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 12 Dec 19 10.47pm
Interesting thought around a CON (apt) majority potentially contributing to an even closer deal with the EU due to hardcores being less relevant in getting things through. Would be amusing. I’d also be amazed if there isn’t yet another extension deep into 2021. Anyone taking watermelon smiles at face value is massively naive. And or a fanatic. Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.

SW19 CPFC

Addiscombe West 12 Dec 19 10.47pm

Interesting thought around a CON (apt) majority potentially contributing to an even closer deal with the EU due to hardcores being less relevant in getting things through. Would be amusing.

I’d also be amazed if there isn’t yet another extension deep into 2021. Anyone taking watermelon smiles at face value is massively naive. And or a fanatic.

Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.

Matov 12 Dec 19 10.48pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Yep, I'd agree. I'd also say that some of the criticism Corbyn got was pretty out there.....Johnson got it too....but I didn't expect people on Twitter saying a vote for Corbyn was like a vote for Hitler. I can't stand the man but.....no, it's not....feck's sake. Edited by Stirlingsays (12 Dec 2019 10.38pm) Not so sure myself. Labours plan to rig the franchise for future elections seems pretty autocratic to me and the crack down on freedom of speech should those w***ers have rocked up in number 10 would have turned very nasty. And Corbyn would happily appear on platforms with people who cheered on the Holocaust. "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

Matov

12 Dec 19 10.48pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Yep, I'd agree.

I'd also say that some of the criticism Corbyn got was pretty out there.....Johnson got it too....but I didn't expect people on Twitter saying a vote for Corbyn was like a vote for Hitler.

I can't stand the man but.....no, it's not....feck's sake.

Edited by Stirlingsays (12 Dec 2019 10.38pm)

Not so sure myself. Labours plan to rig the franchise for future elections seems pretty autocratic to me and the crack down on freedom of speech should those w***ers have rocked up in number 10 would have turned very nasty.

And Corbyn would happily appear on platforms with people who cheered on the Holocaust.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 12 Dec 19 10.49pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Seems like my judgement of a 40-50 majority may have been an under estimation. Edited by Stirlingsays (12 Dec 2019 10.11pm) Indeed Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.

SW19 CPFC

Addiscombe West 12 Dec 19 10.49pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Seems like my judgement of a 40-50 majority may have been an under estimation.

Edited by Stirlingsays (12 Dec 2019 10.11pm)

Indeed

Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.

Spiderman Horsham 12 Dec 19 10.50pm
I have just made the mistake of posting on BBS about the election and Brexit. Feck me, are they abusive or what!! I will never complain about Mainey, Mapletree, Wissie etc on here again. Just a few of the replies are below. I know some on here may agree with them but at least they have the good grace not to put it in writing! Spiderman? Spineless man more like! Go and crawl under a stone you troll. w***er!!! Tit. You're either a racist or an idiot. Choose.

Spiderman

Horsham 12 Dec 19 10.50pm

I have just made the mistake of posting on BBS about the election and Brexit.
Feck me, are they abusive or what!! I will never complain about Mainey, Mapletree, Wissie etc on here again. Just a few of the replies are below. I know some on here may agree with them but at least they have the good grace not to put it in writing!

Spiderman?

Spineless man more like! Go and crawl under a stone you troll.

w***er!!!

Tit.

You're either a racist or an idiot. Choose.

Stirlingsays 12 Dec 19 10.53pm
Originally posted by Spiderman I have just made the mistake of posting on BBS about the election and Brexit. Feck me, are they abusive or what!! I will never complain about Mainey, Mapletree, Wissie etc on here again. Just a few of the replies are below. I know some on here may agree with them but at least they have the good grace not to put it in writing! Spiderman? Spineless man more like! Go and crawl under a stone you troll. w***er!!! Tit. You're either a racist or an idiot. Choose. Such fun. It's a madrassa for progressives.....must be doing their nut. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

12 Dec 19 10.53pm

Originally posted by Spiderman

Spiderman?

Spineless man more like! Go and crawl under a stone you troll.

w***er!!!

Tit.

You're either a racist or an idiot. Choose.

Such fun.

It's a madrassa for progressives.....must be doing their nut.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Badger11 Beckenham 12 Dec 19 10.54pm
BBC predicting a majority of 86 for the Tories which is on the high side of all the forecasts I have seen in this campaign. It is only a forecast so I am not counting my chickens and even if correct I don't feel like celebrating or rubbing other peoples noses in it. This is democracy at work, you state your case and let the people decide. I suspect my feeling will be one of relief that we can start the process of Brexiting and getting on with governing the country. What this means for Labour is too early to tell hopefully a new leader and more moderate policies but they could just dig in and lurch even further to the left, who knows. Anyway lets see tomorrow if the 86 is correct. One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 12 Dec 19 10.54pm

BBC predicting a majority of 86 for the Tories which is on the high side of all the forecasts I have seen in this campaign.

It is only a forecast so I am not counting my chickens and even if correct I don't feel like celebrating or rubbing other peoples noses in it.

This is democracy at work, you state your case and let the people decide. I suspect my feeling will be one of relief that we can start the process of Brexiting and getting on with governing the country.

What this means for Labour is too early to tell hopefully a new leader and more moderate policies but they could just dig in and lurch even further to the left, who knows.

Anyway lets see tomorrow if the 86 is correct.

One more point

chris123 hove actually 12 Dec 19 10.54pm
Originally posted by Spiderman I have just made the mistake of posting on BBS about the election and Brexit. Feck me, are they abusive or what!! I will never complain about Mainey, Mapletree, Wissie etc on here again. Just a few of the replies are below. I know some on here may agree with them but at least they have the good grace not to put it in writing! Spiderman? Spineless man more like! Go and crawl under a stone you troll. w***er!!! Tit. You're either a racist or an idiot. Choose. Liberals are they?

chris123

hove actually 12 Dec 19 10.54pm

Originally posted by Spiderman

Spiderman?

Spineless man more like! Go and crawl under a stone you troll.

w***er!!!

Tit.

You're either a racist or an idiot. Choose.

Liberals are they?

Stirlingsays 12 Dec 19 10.54pm
Originally posted by Matov Not so sure myself. Labours plan to rig the franchise for future elections seems pretty autocratic to me and the crack down on freedom of speech should those w***ers have rocked up in number 10 would have turned very nasty. And Corbyn would happily appear on platforms with people who cheered on the Holocaust. I agree.....but Corbyn wasn't going to be devising final solutions. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

12 Dec 19 10.54pm

Originally posted by Matov

And Corbyn would happily appear on platforms with people who cheered on the Holocaust.

I agree.....but Corbyn wasn't going to be devising final solutions.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 12 Dec 19 10.57pm
They say you end up with the government you deserve. The country has swallowed the "rich get richer and the poor get poorer" mantra hook, line and sinker, sold to them by the lowest rent snake oil salesman of them all. This is about much more than Brexit. A sht opposition led by a leader less credible than even Michael Foot. I hope you don't all come to regret this, I really do. Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham*

Cucking Funt

Clapham on the Back 12 Dec 19 10.57pm

They say you end up with the government you deserve. The country has swallowed the "rich get richer and the poor get poorer" mantra hook, line and sinker, sold to them by the lowest rent snake oil salesman of them all.

This is about much more than Brexit. A sh*t opposition led by a leader less credible than even Michael Foot. I hope you don't all come to regret this, I really do.

Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

Invalid user 2019 12 Dec 19 10.57pm
Originally posted by Matov Not so sure myself. Labours plan to rig the franchise for future elections seems pretty autocratic to me and the crack down on freedom of speech should those w*ers have rocked up in number 10 would have turned very nasty. And Corbyn would happily appear on platforms with people who cheered on the Holocaust. Probably more the anything goes no holds barred stuff like this Attachment**: corb.jpg (131.80Kb)

Invalid user 2019

12 Dec 19 10.57pm

Originally posted by Matov

And Corbyn would happily appear on platforms with people who cheered on the Holocaust.

Probably more the anything goes no holds barred stuff like this

Attachment: corb.jpg (131.80Kb)

chris123 hove actually 12 Dec 19 10.59pm
Originally posted by Cucking Funt They say you end up with the government you deserve. The country has swallowed the "rich get richer and the poor get poorer" mantra hook, line and sinker, sold to them by the lowest rent snake oil salesman of them all. This is about much more than Brexit. A sh*t opposition led by a leader less credible than even Michael Foot. I hope you don't all come to regret this, I really do. A Corbyn government?

chris123

hove actually 12 Dec 19 10.59pm

Originally posted by Cucking Funt

This is about much more than Brexit. A sh*t opposition led by a leader less credible than even Michael Foot. I hope you don't all come to regret this, I really do.

A Corbyn government?

Spiderman Horsham 12 Dec 19 10.59pm
Originally posted by chris123 Liberals are they? Or something

Spiderman

Horsham 12 Dec 19 10.59pm

Originally posted by chris123

Liberals are they?

Or something

Badger11 Beckenham 12 Dec 19 11.00pm
Originally posted by SW19 CPFC Interesting thought around a CON (apt) majority potentially contributing to an even closer deal with the EU due to hardcores being less relevant in getting things through. Would be amusing. I’d also be amazed if there isn’t yet another extension deep into 2021. Anyone taking watermelon smiles at face value is massively naive. And or a fanatic. Interesting point and why I said I wanted a clear majority for the winning party. We have seen over the last few years how the Tories were hostages to minority wings (Remain and Brexit) of their party and the DUP. As long as the EU does not control our lives I am happy to have close ties including freedom of movement (but not freedom to claim benefits). Johnson is a one nation Tory and if he gets his majority it should allow him to pursue a more centrist policy not just with the EU but in all areas. One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 12 Dec 19 11.00pm

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

Interesting thought around a CON (apt) majority potentially contributing to an even closer deal with the EU due to hardcores being less relevant in getting things through. Would be amusing.

I’d also be amazed if there isn’t yet another extension deep into 2021. Anyone taking watermelon smiles at face value is massively naive. And or a fanatic.

Interesting point and why I said I wanted a clear majority for the winning party. We have seen over the last few years how the Tories were hostages to minority wings (Remain and Brexit) of their party and the DUP.

As long as the EU does not control our lives I am happy to have close ties including freedom of movement (but not freedom to claim benefits).

Johnson is a one nation Tory and if he gets his majority it should allow him to pursue a more centrist policy not just with the EU but in all areas.

One more point

Invalid user 2019 12 Dec 19 11.01pm
Originally posted by Cucking Funt They say you end up with the government you deserve. The country has swallowed the "rich get richer and the poor get poorer" mantra hook, line and sinker, sold to them by the lowest rent snake oil salesman of them all. This is about much more than Brexit. A sh*t opposition led by a leader less credible than even Michael Foot. I hope you don't all come to regret this, I really do. It can certainly be a worry where a party has a large majority against no viable opposition. What we can say though is that it ends the gridlock. There are no excuses or ambiguities now and so the government will be squarely judged by its performance.

Invalid user 2019

12 Dec 19 11.01pm

Originally posted by Cucking Funt

This is about much more than Brexit. A sh*t opposition led by a leader less credible than even Michael Foot. I hope you don't all come to regret this, I really do.

It can certainly be a worry where a party has a large majority against no viable opposition. What we can say though is that it ends the gridlock. There are no excuses or ambiguities now and so the government will be squarely judged by its performance.

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