Let's not overlook the fact that it may not, in the end, be parliament's decision. Albeit most unlikely (as it's not in their best interests anyway), but if we get a whole load of Brexit MEP's messing things up for everyone else in Brussels and being disruptive to the ongoing work of the EU (as is very, very likely), it could well be that the EU turns around and says no to any further discussions or extensions......Bingo! we are out with no deal and without any MP having to leave his/her seat.

A stairway to Heaven and a Highway to Hell give some indication of expected traffic numbers

Millions will vote for the Brexit party. You know it too. Well you will.

COYP

Fall out is definitely a concern, but the current situation has to be resolved one way or the other, Matov.

Currently we are traipsing along the road to nowhere.

A second vote provides a road to somewhere. Then people can begin to learn to accept that final destination, wherever it may be.

The proper and full grieving process can begin for the remainers, if we leave. They can learn to get by in the new normal, given enough time. They might even learn to accept the economic downturn that will probably come, but those who lose their own jobs or houses might struggle to be at peace with Brexit, if that is what takes place.

On the flip side, to the people who are unhappy with their lot in life, and have come to regard EU membership as the dragon that must be slain to allow them to resolve the issues that pain them so badly. To move upwards, be happier, have more money and freedom, see less foreigners in England, achieve "sovereignty" or whatever else they dreamt brexit would bring, would have to look elsewhere for that silver bullet.

They would be just as bitter as the man who loses his job and house due to a no deal exit, but perhaps maintaining status quo with EU membership is less likely to cause widespread economic turmoil?

Time heals all, Matov. As raw as everything is now, over the years the fires will burn down to embers, but never go out completely.

Whichever way it goes, some future politician is going to campaign on a reversal.

If it is a no deal brexit, then I will accept that as would anyone who is being reasonable at this stage. Like I said above though, having not voted for it, if it causes a huge recession and people lose jobs and houses, they would be pretty pissed off I would imagine, wouldn't you?

I wont apologize for suggesting a way out of this deadlock.

What is your idea to resolve the current impasse, out of interest?

Trump lost. Badly. Hahahahahahaha.

But I will never accept. Nor do I believe would millions of others. That is the point. It goes on and on forever. It settles nothing. I would envisage a mass boycott of any second referendum with 'Remain' as an option and without a turn-out coming close to that on June 23rd, any result would not have any kind of validity. Our entire system of Governance would be potentially fatally undermined for decades to come and I genuinely fear what might lay on the other side.

The situation is that we need to leave ASAP. Without a deal since there clearly is not an acceptable one on offer, as matters stand. And the vote on June 23rd was not predecated with a requirement for there to be one.

What I struggle to get my head around is that any reasonable thinking person, who proclaims themselves in anyway in favour of democracy, can believe that re-running a vote because you don't like the outcome can lead to anything other than utter mayhem.

And not show any contrition in pushing such a POV.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

I just watched a video of Martin Lewis on "Politics Live". I haven't seen the whole show.

The sound bite that was headlined came from him and I think it succinctly sums up the reason why such a huge divide in opinions exists.

He said "Brexit does not mean the same thing to everyone who voted to leave. We had a black and white vote on a rainbow of issues".

As this is pretty much what I have said before I, of course, agree with him. He just puts it much better and in a way that's easy to understand.

That there are some, including many who post here, see it in black and white terms doesn't mean that all, or indeed many, leave voters see it that way.

What Brexit actually means varies a lot between people. That much must be obvious just from reading this long thread.

That includes all of those who voted to Remain but accepts they were outvoted, like many of the MPs.

Compromise is needed. What are people willing to accept? How do we find that out? The EU elections will be no guide. They will just provide a platform for the headbangers.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

I love your idea of getting your excuses out before the elections have even taken place

Headbanger here who is willing compromise as long as we can take back our sovereignty and control our own borders and are free to make our own trade deals

Would there have been compromise if remain won? You lost get over it move out the way and let brexit happen.

All rather lovely sentiments but campaigners for a second referendum all seem pretty insistent on 'Remain' featuring a second time around.

If all the pressure was for a vote on the terms and conditions of our departure i.e choosing between May's deal or a WTO Brexit, there might be a case to put. Not sure I would agree with it but asking the populace for what shade of Leave they wanted could have some democratic justification. There could be an argument to be made for putting that choice back to the British people.

But it is not. All of the noise about a second referendum comes from people who voted Remain first time around and now somehow feel they are justified in having a second go.

Remain lost on June 23rd. That is it. There can be no 'compromise' around that that does not potentially fatally undermine the trust that people have to hold in the process if they are to vote for anything in good faith ever again. And it is that pretty basic truth that I am shocked many Remainers seem so indifferent to. The Leave/Remain issue is done and dusted. That happened back in 2016.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

Violence, last time I checked

Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.

So referendums have no role if you don't like the outcome but you still want a second one anyway, in the hope that this time you do get the outcome you want?

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.