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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 16 May 19 11.44am
Originally posted by Teddy Eagle Londoners had pride in their history and culture as well which is why they are slightly miffed in Newham where they now represent 16% of the population. But then one group of people aren’t malicious and the others are apparently a bunch of raving fascists. Everybody living in Newham is a Londoner! They just don't all have deep roots there yet. The native born Cornish welcome everyone. There is a long tradition of migrant workers here in the farming industry so perhaps that helps. The difference maybe is that the migrants here mostly have whitish skins and go to Churches and not to Mosques. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 16 May 19 11.44am

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

Londoners had pride in their history and culture as well which is why they are slightly miffed in Newham where they now represent 16% of the population. But then one group of people aren’t malicious and the others are apparently a bunch of raving fascists.

Everybody living in Newham is a Londoner! They just don't all have deep roots there yet. The native born Cornish welcome everyone. There is a long tradition of migrant workers here in the farming industry so perhaps that helps. The difference maybe is that the migrants here mostly have whitish skins and go to Churches and not to Mosques.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 16 May 19 11.48am
Originally posted by Matov So referendums have no role if you don't like the outcome but you still want a second one anyway, in the hope that this time you do get the outcome you want? Did you read what I wrote? It has nothing to do with re-running the first just to try to get a different result. Until you can start to understand that you are likely to be bitter and twisted. I actually don't want another referendum because I don't want ANY referendums to be held. I want Parliament to do it's job, take responsibility and do what it believes is in our best interests and not just follow popular opinion. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 16 May 19 11.48am

Originally posted by Matov

So referendums have no role if you don't like the outcome but you still want a second one anyway, in the hope that this time you do get the outcome you want?

Did you read what I wrote?

It has nothing to do with re-running the first just to try to get a different result. Until you can start to understand that you are likely to be bitter and twisted.

I actually don't want another referendum because I don't want ANY referendums to be held. I want Parliament to do it's job, take responsibility and do what it believes is in our best interests and not just follow popular opinion.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 16 May 19 11.55am
Originally posted by dannyboy1978 Would there have been compromise if remain won? You lost get over it move out the way and let brexit happen. If we had voted to remain by a small margin Parliament's hand would have been strengthened in any future attempts to achieve the reforms needed with the EU and in negotiating future opt outs. So whilst no formal compromise would have happened because the status quo would have prevailed it would have had consequences. As would us deciding to remain now because we would only do so on the basis that EU reform is placed on the agenda. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 16 May 19 11.55am

Originally posted by dannyboy1978

Would there have been compromise if remain won? You lost get over it move out the way and let brexit happen.

If we had voted to remain by a small margin Parliament's hand would have been strengthened in any future attempts to achieve the reforms needed with the EU and in negotiating future opt outs.

So whilst no formal compromise would have happened because the status quo would have prevailed it would have had consequences.

As would us deciding to remain now because we would only do so on the basis that EU reform is placed on the agenda.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Matov 16 May 19 12.01pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle If we had voted to remain by a small margin Parliament's hand would have been strengthened in any future attempts to achieve the reforms needed with the EU and in negotiating future opt outs. So whilst no formal compromise would have happened because the status quo would have prevailed it would have had consequences. As would us deciding to remain now because we would only do so on the basis that EU reform is placed on the agenda. What EU reform would you like to see? What EU reform is so important? Would us Remaining be conditional on these reforms or should we only ask nicely? Oddly enough I would prefer the Government to look us in the eye and revoke A50 rather than go through the farce of a second referendum as well. Not that it would stop the s***-storm that will follow but at least they would have shown some balls for once. Stab us in the chest, rather than the back. I actually think that now the only Parliamentary way out of this current impasse is a straight forward leave with no deal or revoke vote. Let us see MP's actually make the only real choice on the table. Whatever follows, at least we will know where we all stand with our current generation of politicians. "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

Matov

16 May 19 12.01pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

If we had voted to remain by a small margin Parliament's hand would have been strengthened in any future attempts to achieve the reforms needed with the EU and in negotiating future opt outs.

So whilst no formal compromise would have happened because the status quo would have prevailed it would have had consequences.

As would us deciding to remain now because we would only do so on the basis that EU reform is placed on the agenda.

What EU reform would you like to see? What EU reform is so important? Would us Remaining be conditional on these reforms or should we only ask nicely?

Oddly enough I would prefer the Government to look us in the eye and revoke A50 rather than go through the farce of a second referendum as well. Not that it would stop the s***-storm that will follow but at least they would have shown some balls for once.

Stab us in the chest, rather than the back.

I actually think that now the only Parliamentary way out of this current impasse is a straight forward leave with no deal or revoke vote. Let us see MP's actually make the only real choice on the table.

Whatever follows, at least we will know where we all stand with our current generation of politicians.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 16 May 19 12.01pm
Originally posted by Midlands Eagle I love your idea of getting your excuses out before the elections have even taken place Headbanger here who is willing compromise as long as we can take back our sovereignty and control our own borders and are free to make our own trade deals They aren't though excuses. No-one wanted these elections! They are an embarrassment and if we end up, as seems likely, with a bunch of disruptive MEPs representing us, doubly so. The only nation wide elections that matter are for a GE. So you are willing to compromise so long as you get everything you want? Doesn't seem too much of a compromise to me! For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 16 May 19 12.01pm

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

I love your idea of getting your excuses out before the elections have even taken place

Headbanger here who is willing compromise as long as we can take back our sovereignty and control our own borders and are free to make our own trade deals

They aren't though excuses. No-one wanted these elections! They are an embarrassment and if we end up, as seems likely, with a bunch of disruptive MEPs representing us, doubly so.

The only nation wide elections that matter are for a GE.

So you are willing to compromise so long as you get everything you want? Doesn't seem too much of a compromise to me!

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Park Road 16 May 19 12.15pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Everybody living in Newham is a Londoner! They just don't all have deep roots there yet. The native born Cornish welcome everyone. There is a long tradition of migrant workers here in the farming industry so perhaps that helps. The difference maybe is that the migrants here mostly have whitish skins and go to Churches and not to Mosques. Usmaan's family came to London from Bangladesh in the 1930s. He's Muslim and proud of his Asian heritage. But he's equally "a proud East Ender" who misses his white mates who have up and left. As he sees it, there's no turning back for the East End. Ten years' time, maybe not even that, there will be absolutely no trace of cockney culture. No trace of British culture... Everything this area stood for is being eradicated, slowly but surely. - Usmaan

Park Road

16 May 19 12.15pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Usmaan's family came to London from Bangladesh in the 1930s. He's Muslim and proud of his Asian heritage. But he's equally "a proud East Ender" who misses his white mates who have up and left. As he sees it, there's no turning back for the East End.

Ten years' time, maybe not even that, there will be absolutely no trace of cockney culture. No trace of British culture... Everything this area stood for is being eradicated, slowly but surely. - Usmaan

Park Road 16 May 19 12.24pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle They aren't though excuses. No-one wanted these elections! They are an embarrassment and if we end up, as seems likely, with a bunch of disruptive MEPs representing us, doubly so. The only nation wide elections that matter are for a GE. So you are willing to compromise so long as you get everything you want? Doesn't seem too much of a compromise to me! Have you been mis using the search engine again? Remember old chap just coz you think it is so, doesn't mean it is...

Park Road

16 May 19 12.24pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

They aren't though excuses. No-one wanted these elections! They are an embarrassment and if we end up, as seems likely, with a bunch of disruptive MEPs representing us, doubly so.

The only nation wide elections that matter are for a GE.

So you are willing to compromise so long as you get everything you want? Doesn't seem too much of a compromise to me!

Have you been mis using the search engine again?

Remember old chap just coz you think it is so, doesn't mean it is...

Park Road 16 May 19 12.32pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Everybody living in Newham is a Londoner! They just don't all have deep roots there yet. The native born Cornish welcome everyone. There is a long tradition of migrant workers here in the farming industry so perhaps that helps. The difference maybe is that the migrants here mostly have whitish skins and go to Churches and not to Mosques. Well, once Cornwall becomes 98 percent Muslim, I'm sure the wonderful 2 percent of Cornish hospitality will still prevail... Never, known anybody to talk so much s*** in my life... Tell a lie PP AND SW19 fall into that category.

Park Road

16 May 19 12.32pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Everybody living in Newham is a Londoner! They just don't all have deep roots there yet. The native born Cornish welcome everyone. There is a long tradition of migrant workers here in the farming industry so perhaps that helps. The difference maybe is that the migrants here mostly have whitish skins and go to Churches and not to Mosques.

Well, once Cornwall becomes 98 percent Muslim, I'm sure the wonderful 2 percent of Cornish hospitality will still prevail...

Never, known anybody to talk so much s*** in my life...

Tell a lie PP AND SW19 fall into that category.

Teddy Eagle 16 May 19 12.43pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Everybody living in Newham is a Londoner! They just don't all have deep roots there yet. The native born Cornish welcome everyone. There is a long tradition of migrant workers here in the farming industry so perhaps that helps. The difference maybe is that the migrants here mostly have whitish skins and go to Churches and not to Mosques. Yeah right. If you think your neighbours regard you as one of their own then you’re fooling yourself. I was in Cornwall 20 years ago and my mate (who is black) was routinely ignored when trying to get served in pubs. Very open and welcoming I must say.

Teddy Eagle

16 May 19 12.43pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Yeah right. If you think your neighbours regard you as one of their own then you’re fooling yourself.
I was in Cornwall 20 years ago and my mate (who is black) was routinely ignored when trying to get served in pubs. Very open and welcoming I must say.

dannyboy1978 16 May 19 12.53pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle If we had voted to remain by a small margin Parliament's hand would have been strengthened in any future attempts to achieve the reforms needed with the EU and in negotiating future opt outs. So whilst no formal compromise would have happened because the status quo would have prevailed it would have had consequences. As would us deciding to remain now because we would only do so on the basis that EU reform is placed on the agenda. We had a referendum because the EU would NOT listne to Cameron, may tried to get a deal and got shafted. When will the idiots realise the EU are sharks and only want our money.

dannyboy1978

16 May 19 12.53pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

If we had voted to remain by a small margin Parliament's hand would have been strengthened in any future attempts to achieve the reforms needed with the EU and in negotiating future opt outs.

So whilst no formal compromise would have happened because the status quo would have prevailed it would have had consequences.

As would us deciding to remain now because we would only do so on the basis that EU reform is placed on the agenda.

We had a referendum because the EU would NOT listne to Cameron, may tried to get a deal and got shafted.
When will the idiots realise the EU are sharks and only want our money.

dannyboy1978 16 May 19 12.56pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle They aren't though excuses. No-one wanted these elections! They are an embarrassment and if we end up, as seems likely, with a bunch of disruptive MEPs representing us, doubly so. The only nation wide elections that matter are for a GE. So you are willing to compromise so long as you get everything you want? Doesn't seem too much of a compromise to me! Brexitiers have never wanted a deal or compromise, your believing remoaners own rubbish now. If you keep saying it it doesn't make it true you no!

dannyboy1978

16 May 19 12.56pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

They aren't though excuses. No-one wanted these elections! They are an embarrassment and if we end up, as seems likely, with a bunch of disruptive MEPs representing us, doubly so.

The only nation wide elections that matter are for a GE.

So you are willing to compromise so long as you get everything you want? Doesn't seem too much of a compromise to me!

Brexitiers have never wanted a deal or compromise, your believing remoaners own rubbish now. If you keep saying it it doesn't make it true you no!

Midlands Eagle 16 May 19 1.08pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle So you are willing to compromise so long as you get everything you want? Doesn't seem too much of a compromise to me! I voted for Brexit meaning that I wanted to be out of the EU in every way. I didn't vote to be half in and half out

Midlands Eagle

16 May 19 1.08pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

So you are willing to compromise so long as you get everything you want? Doesn't seem too much of a compromise to me!

I voted for Brexit meaning that I wanted to be out of the EU in every way. I didn't vote to be half in and half out

SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 16 May 19 1.20pm
Originally posted by Park Road Well, once Cornwall becomes 98 percent Muslim, I'm sure the wonderful 2 percent of Cornish hospitality will still prevail... Never, known anybody to talk so much s*** in my life... Tell a lie PP AND SW19 fall into that category. Again, how is this constant stream of amoebic dross any different from PP similar levels of perceived nonsense Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.

SW19 CPFC

Addiscombe West 16 May 19 1.20pm

Originally posted by Park Road

Well, once Cornwall becomes 98 percent Muslim, I'm sure the wonderful 2 percent of Cornish hospitality will still prevail...

Never, known anybody to talk so much s*** in my life...

Tell a lie PP AND SW19 fall into that category.

Again, how is this constant stream of amoebic dross any different from PP similar levels of perceived nonsense

Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.

SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 16 May 19 1.24pm
Originally posted by dannyboy1978 Brexitiers have never wanted a deal or compromise, your believing remoaners own rubbish now. If you keep saying it it doesn't make it true you no! It's 'know'. And again, for the thousandth time, stop trying to claim you speak for everyone that voted leave. It's complete and utter tripe. The Leave vote was split. Some thought like you, some didn't. If you need to do so to give yourself some kind of false sense of security or a wet comfort blanket, then fine. But do me a favour and keep it to your own internal monologue and then get over it and post something relevant. Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.

SW19 CPFC

Addiscombe West 16 May 19 1.24pm

Originally posted by dannyboy1978

Brexitiers have never wanted a deal or compromise, your believing remoaners own rubbish now. If you keep saying it it doesn't make it true you no!

It's 'know'. And again, for the thousandth time, stop trying to claim you speak for everyone that voted leave. It's complete and utter tripe. The Leave vote was split. Some thought like you, some didn't. If you need to do so to give yourself some kind of false sense of security or a wet comfort blanket, then fine. But do me a favour and keep it to your own internal monologue and then get over it and post something relevant.

Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 16 May 19 1.33pm
Originally posted by Park Road Well, once Cornwall becomes 98 percent Muslim, I'm sure the wonderful 2 percent of Cornish hospitality will still prevail... Never, known anybody to talk so much s*** in my life... Tell a lie PP AND SW19 fall into that category. So you confirm what I hinted at. It isn't the fact that there are new people there (which has always been so by the way) but that it is a particular type of new person you object to. Specifically, Muslims. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 16 May 19 1.33pm

Originally posted by Park Road

Well, once Cornwall becomes 98 percent Muslim, I'm sure the wonderful 2 percent of Cornish hospitality will still prevail...

Never, known anybody to talk so much s*** in my life...

Tell a lie PP AND SW19 fall into that category.

So you confirm what I hinted at. It isn't the fact that there are new people there (which has always been so by the way) but that it is a particular type of new person you object to. Specifically, Muslims.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Lyons550 Shirley 16 May 19 1.37pm
Originally posted by Matov A question for those of you who want a second vote with Remain as an option. Do you not have any worries about the damage it would do to the faith people have in voting? I am geuninely puzzled at how so many people who want a second stab at the Remain cherry are so blase about the potential fall out. Or is your opinion of those of us who voted Leave so low that you don't think the undermining of our belief in democracy is worthy of any consideration? I genuinely don't think I have heard/seen or even read of a single prominent Remainer apologising for wanting us to have to vote again on an issue we were assured would be settled on June 23rd. ^^^ This is probably the most reasoned post on here in the last 300 or so. I recently heard a minister describing a second vote as being akin to telling your partner that you want a divorce for the last 3 years, only to then say "despite running you down publicly..I've now changed my mind, i'm staying whether you like it or not and we're going to carry on as if it never happened" Imagine how the EU will treat us if we did overturn the vote? They would have a member within it that they don't want, and which large parts of the members' own populus don't want, slowly tearing itself apart with riots on the streets and anarchy. The event horizon has already been crossed, whether or not we like to pretend otherwise. I wonder how many of us remainers are/have been in loveless relationships preferring to keep the status quo rather than making a break for it? Edited by Lyons550 (16 May 2019 1.38pm) The Voice of Reason In An Otherwise Mediocre World

Lyons550

Shirley 16 May 19 1.37pm

Originally posted by Matov

A question for those of you who want a second vote with Remain as an option.

Do you not have any worries about the damage it would do to the faith people have in voting? I am geuninely puzzled at how so many people who want a second stab at the Remain cherry are so blase about the potential fall out.

Or is your opinion of those of us who voted Leave so low that you don't think the undermining of our belief in democracy is worthy of any consideration?

I genuinely don't think I have heard/seen or even read of a single prominent Remainer apologising for wanting us to have to vote again on an issue we were assured would be settled on June 23rd.

^^^ This is probably the most reasoned post on here in the last 300 or so.

I recently heard a minister describing a second vote as being akin to telling your partner that you want a divorce for the last 3 years, only to then say "despite running you down publicly..I've now changed my mind, i'm staying whether you like it or not and we're going to carry on as if it never happened"

Imagine how the EU will treat us if we did overturn the vote?

They would have a member within it that they don't want, and which large parts of the members' own populus don't want, slowly tearing itself apart with riots on the streets and anarchy.

The event horizon has already been crossed, whether or not we like to pretend otherwise.

I wonder how many of us remainers are/have been in loveless relationships preferring to keep the status quo rather than making a break for it?

Edited by Lyons550 (16 May 2019 1.38pm)

The Voice of Reason In An Otherwise Mediocre World

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 16 May 19 1.39pm
Originally posted by Midlands Eagle I voted for Brexit meaning that I wanted to be out of the EU in every way. I didn't vote to be half in and half out I understand that and that there are a significant bunch of people who feel the same way. Look at the numbers who support the ERG and Farage to confirm that. The point is that not every Leave voter thinks like that. Add them to the Remain voters and you are in a minority. Which is reflected in Parliament and why people are arguing to hold a confirmatory vote. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 16 May 19 1.39pm

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

I voted for Brexit meaning that I wanted to be out of the EU in every way. I didn't vote to be half in and half out

I understand that and that there are a significant bunch of people who feel the same way. Look at the numbers who support the ERG and Farage to confirm that.

The point is that not every Leave voter thinks like that. Add them to the Remain voters and you are in a minority. Which is reflected in Parliament and why people are arguing to hold a confirmatory vote.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Park Road 16 May 19 1.41pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle So you confirm what I hinted at. It isn't the fact that there are new people there (which has always been so by the way) but that it is a particular type of new person you object to. Specifically, Muslims. Yawn! Yes, that's it... Wisbech. How's your white race search on Google getting on? Nearly there?

Park Road

16 May 19 1.41pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Yawn! Yes, that's it... Wisbech.
How's your white race search on Google getting on?
Nearly there?

Park Road 16 May 19 1.47pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle I understand that and that there are a significant bunch of people who feel the same way. Look at the numbers who support the ERG and Farage to confirm that. The point is that not every Leave voter thinks like that. Add them to the Remain voters and you are in a minority. Which is reflected in Parliament and why people are arguing to hold a confirmatory vote. again?Remember old chap just coz you think it is so, doesn't mean it is... You love to talk on others behalves, and well you just love to talk... But you're wrong in every case

Park Road

16 May 19 1.47pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I understand that and that there are a significant bunch of people who feel the same way. Look at the numbers who support the ERG and Farage to confirm that.

The point is that not every Leave voter thinks like that. Add them to the Remain voters and you are in a minority. Which is reflected in Parliament and why people are arguing to hold a confirmatory vote.

again?Remember old chap just coz you think it is so, doesn't mean it is...

You love to talk on others behalves, and well you just love to talk...
But you're wrong in every case

elgrande bedford 16 May 19 3.36pm
This absolute s* storm all boils down to the EU not wanting to give any assurances or any ley way to the tosspot Cameron. They do not want to reform,they do not want to change...all aboard the gravy train. They are all for big business, and with the freedom of movement they know there is an endless supply of cheap labour. There is a video doing the rounds of a female German politician saying exactly as it is. Personally I think we have shot our bolt with the EU now. Whichever way it goes,any relationship we had with them is gone. I want to leave always have done,but I also wanted our leader to go in hard with the negotiations..not as she did..."please sir can we have". 3 fing years ago we voted to leave...I fear it ain't gonna happen...because those good for nothing t**s in the Westminster bubble don't want it to. always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.

elgrande

bedford 16 May 19 3.36pm

This absolute s*** storm all boils down to the EU not wanting to give any assurances or any ley way to the tosspot Cameron.

They do not want to reform,they do not want to change...all aboard the gravy train.

They are all for big business, and with the freedom of movement they know there is an endless supply of cheap labour.
There is a video doing the rounds of a female German politician saying exactly as it is.

Personally I think we have shot our bolt with the EU now.
Whichever way it goes,any relationship we had with them is gone.
I want to leave always have done,but I also wanted our leader to go in hard with the negotiations..not as she did..."please sir can we have".
3 f***ing years ago we voted to leave...I fear it ain't gonna happen...because those good for nothing t***s in the Westminster bubble don't want it to.

always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.

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