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 Stirlingsays  22 Dec 21 10.34am |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
You don’t think the intervening 15 months has shown the fallacies within it? Do you also agree with the early pronouncements by The American Institute for Economic Research or would you agree they also were found to lack scientific rigour? You spend your life trying to prove the unprovable for what reason? No, and either do the signatures....the main ones being exactly the very high level type of people you apparently didn't think exist. I haven't seen the pronouncements which you are referring to. As for me, I'm interested in the greater good....as the old Greek proverb goes: 'A society grows great when old men plant trees whose shade they know they shall never sit in.' I thinks this whole ridiculous state of affairs has done the exact opposite and all those who have supported these polices are guilty of agreement to the continued stealing of generational wealth for short term absorption that has had highly debatable returns over other approaches. Edited by Stirlingsays (22 Dec 2021 10.35am)
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| georgenorman 22 Dec 21 10.49am |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
It isn’t the Party FFS. It’s every Doctor in the world bar one retired ENT specialist. Try this quote the intellectual and practical activity encompassing the systematic study of the structure and behaviour of the physical and natural world through observation and experiment. If only people would put as much effort into thinking as they do trying to find the occasional loon with bizarre views supporting conspiracy fears. "In our society, those who have the best knowledge of what is happening are also those who are furthest from seeing the world as it is. In general, the greater the understanding, the greater the delusion; the more intelligent, the less sane." [Orwell]
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| Mapletree Croydon 22 Dec 21 10.55am |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
I haven't seen the pronouncements which you are referring to. Edited by Stirlingsays (22 Dec 2021 10.35am) In July 2020, the AIER published an article that put forward a whole litany of false claims about environmental and health problems, under the headline The Sordid History of Scam Science. It disputed the evidence that human activities were responsible for destroying the ozone layer, wrongly stating that “scientists have not shown that the ‘hole’ was primarily man-made or that it caused any ill effects on humans or any ecological systems”. And it stated that climate change has failed to make tropical cyclones stronger, even though a major study published in May showed that this was not true.
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| Stirlingsays 22 Dec 21 11.04am |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
In July 2020, the AIER published an article that put forward a whole litany of false claims about environmental and health problems, under the headline The Sordid History of Scam Science. It disputed the evidence that human activities were responsible for destroying the ozone layer, wrongly stating that “scientists have not shown that the ‘hole’ was primarily man-made or that it caused any ill effects on humans or any ecological systems”. And it stated that climate change has failed to make tropical cyclones stronger, even though a major study published in May showed that this was not true. The fallacy is that because I hold one opinion you don't agree with you think it apt to connect it to others with which you don't agree.
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| eaglesdare 22 Dec 21 11.23am |
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If everyone just does antigen tests before they leave the house in the mornings then this "pandemic" goes away! regardless of covid status! you still catch and spread it! People with covid passes (vaxxed) who are positive for covid are easily going to large events untested and thus have become the super spreaders! these people are the ones putting unnecessary strain on the NHS. wheras the unvaxxed need negative tests or will need negative tests everywhere they go now. And the unvaxxed are the problem! (note sarcasm there) Every game I go to I do a negative test before (starting from august) the villa game I tested positive so i missed that game came down symptoms 2 days later and was sick for the week. How many people did i not spread the virus to that day? pub, train, stadium, the long ques outside selhurst station, train and then pub again! I say everyone test regardless of covid status in the mornings! its the only way out! also some findings to back myself up:
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| The Dolphin 22 Dec 21 11.28am |
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I test a few times each week just because of work and stuff.
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| Stirlingsays 22 Dec 21 11.31am |
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Originally posted by eaglesdare
If everyone just does antigen tests before they leave the house in the mornings then this "pandemic" goes away! regardless of covid status! you still catch and spread it! People with covid passes (vaxxed) who are positive for covid are easily going to large events untested and thus have become the super spreaders! these people are the ones putting unnecessary strain on the NHS. wheras the unvaxxed need negative tests or will need negative tests everywhere they go now. And the unvaxxed are the problem! (note sarcasm there) Every game I go to I do a negative test before (starting from august) the villa game I tested positive so i missed that game came down symptoms 2 days later and was sick for the week. How many people did i not spread the virus to that day? pub, train, stadium, the long ques outside selhurst station, train and then pub again! I say everyone test regardless of covid status in the mornings! its the only way out! also some findings to back myself up: Sounds like a reasonable opinion to me. Are the tests highly accurate nowadays?
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 22 Dec 21 11.40am |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Let me make this very clear. Your opinions as regards covid are one thing. However, your opinions as regards to me are unsolicited and unwanted as is your continued posting at me....which you have been asked to stop many times. I don't respect you for many reasons and this is just one of them. So as regards your opinions of me, you can take them and shove em where the sun don't shine. Edited by Stirlingsays (22 Dec 2021 10.16am) And I will make it very clear, as I have done many times, that I will answer as many posts as I choose. You don't own the site, so that you don't "solicit" them or want them is totally immaterial. Your only decisions are whether you read them and respond to them. My decisions are mine. Yours are yours. To complain about me posting opinions about yours is the ultimate example of the pot calling the kettle black. I criticise your politics. You routinely resort to personal attacks on my integrity. Readers will have to deduce what my opinion of you is, although I don't suppose that is either too difficult, or matters much to them.
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| eaglesdare 22 Dec 21 11.42am |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Sounds like a reasonable opinion to me. Are the tests highly accurate nowadays? Thank you! I think 90 percent accurate for contagious people! you do not necessary get a positive if you just have symptoms. I am a big believer in the testing! my argument was always that I an unvaccinated person would need a PCR test to fly I can be negative but sit on a plane with everyone else who has a covid pass but not required to test and maybe positive. This has changed now for entry to Ireland where regardless of vaccination status you need a negative test. Regardless of vaccination status just test! i really believe this is the way out! and to keep society open!
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| Stirlingsays 22 Dec 21 11.44am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
And I will make it very clear, as I have done many times, that I will answer as many posts as I choose. You don't own the site, so that you don't "solicit" them or want them is totally immaterial. Your only decisions are whether you read them and respond to them. My decisions are mine. Yours are yours. To complain about me posting opinions about yours is the ultimate example of the pot calling the kettle black. I criticise your politics. You routinely resort to personal attacks on my integrity. Readers will have to deduce what my opinion of you is, although I don't suppose that is either too difficult, or matters much to them. That's because I don't think you have any real integrity. You don't have the decency to stop posting at a person when requested to don't expect to be treated with any respect....that has bugger all to do with owning a site. You're a hypocrite and a liar and you spend all your time manipulating language to reach the ends you desire.....what was it you went into....insurance? You went into finance, I went into teaching.
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| Stirlingsays 22 Dec 21 11.48am |
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Originally posted by eaglesdare
Thank you! I think 90 percent accurate for contagious people! you do not necessary get a positive if you just have symptoms. I am a big believer in the testing! my argument was always that I an unvaccinated person would need a PCR test to fly I can be negative but sit on a plane with everyone else who has a covid pass but not required to test and maybe positive. This has changed now for entry to Ireland where regardless of vaccination status you need a negative test. Regardless of vaccination status just test! i really believe this is the way out! and to keep society open! I'll get some kits in.
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BlueJay  UK 22 Dec 21 11.54am |
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Originally posted by eaglesdare
If everyone just does antigen tests before they leave the house in the mornings then this "pandemic" goes away! regardless of covid status! you still catch and spread it! People with covid passes (vaxxed) who are positive for covid are easily going to large events untested and thus have become the super spreaders! these people are the ones putting unnecessary strain on the NHS. wheras the unvaxxed need negative tests or will need negative tests everywhere they go now. And the unvaxxed are the problem! (note sarcasm there) Every game I go to I do a negative test before (starting from august) the villa game I tested positive so i missed that game came down symptoms 2 days later and was sick for the week. How many people did i not spread the virus to that day? pub, train, stadium, the long ques outside selhurst station, train and then pub again! I say everyone test regardless of covid status in the mornings! its the only way out! also some findings to back myself up: Tests are certainly useful but are not perfect. Especially with this variant the incubation period appears to be short, so you can test positive hours after you've given yourself a 'negative' all clear. You seem to want to use them as a way of saying that those who are vaccinated are more often reckless. The reality of course is that provably being vaccinated puts you in a much better position when you (almost inevitably) get one variant or another. Plenty of people test negative and it turns out they've spread covid to a tonne of people. There are tonnes of cases of that. So as I say it's useful, but if you actually want to protect peoples health, painting vaccination in a poor light doesn't make the slightest but of sense and is a pointless argument to attempt to make.
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