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Rudi Hedman Caterham 12 Dec 19 11.46pm
Originally posted by DanH Never thought I would be a kindred spirit with you. Other than the sex obvs. See you in five years, lads You’ll be doing 15. COYP

Rudi Hedman

Caterham 12 Dec 19 11.46pm

Originally posted by DanH

Never thought I would be a kindred spirit with you. Other than the sex obvs.

See you in five years, lads

You’ll be doing 15.

COYP

Matov 12 Dec 19 11.47pm
Originally posted by DanH I’m on the bridge. Cold out here. LOL. My bad. Apologies. "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

Matov

12 Dec 19 11.47pm

Originally posted by DanH

I’m on the bridge. Cold out here.

LOL. My bad. Apologies.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

DanH SW2 12 Dec 19 11.50pm
Originally posted by Badger11 Don't jump Dan live to fight another day. Labour need to re-group and think about what has happened. Was it their confused position on Brexit or did their policies frighten the electorate? I don't claim to know but they need to do some thinking we always need a strong opposition. Corbyn was never going to win an election or even get close to a majority. Never been his biggest fan and think he did get a bit of a tough ride from the press compared to BJ but he was never the answer. Still, tough to see where Labour go after this and didn’t quite see it being this decisive. Nervous about what is going to happen next though. BJ and his front bench really are charlatans.

DanH

SW2 12 Dec 19 11.50pm

Originally posted by Badger11

Don't jump Dan live to fight another day. Labour need to re-group and think about what has happened.

Was it their confused position on Brexit or did their policies frighten the electorate? I don't claim to know but they need to do some thinking we always need a strong opposition.

Corbyn was never going to win an election or even get close to a majority. Never been his biggest fan and think he did get a bit of a tough ride from the press compared to BJ but he was never the answer.

Still, tough to see where Labour go after this and didn’t quite see it being *this* decisive.

Nervous about what is going to happen next though. BJ and his front bench really are charlatans.

Rudi Hedman Caterham 12 Dec 19 11.50pm
Originally posted by Badger11 First 3 results in and going in line with the BBC prediction. The turnout doesn't seem great for all 3 seats it was in the mid sixties percent. So who stayed home? Labour? Is this the pattern for the night a lowish turnout? I’d guess the younger voters returned back to not bothering more. Maybe felt their x didn’t mean something specific, well it did actually. A few specific things. Well one and not one of the two directions, but not a specific idea of the one you’re voting on because both or all sides were blatantly lying. COYP

Rudi Hedman

Caterham 12 Dec 19 11.50pm

Originally posted by Badger11

First 3 results in and going in line with the BBC prediction. The turnout doesn't seem great for all 3 seats it was in the mid sixties percent. So who stayed home? Labour? Is this the pattern for the night a lowish turnout?

I’d guess the younger voters returned back to not bothering more. Maybe felt their x didn’t mean something specific, well it did actually. A few specific things. Well one and not one of the two directions, but not a specific idea of the one you’re voting on because both or all sides were blatantly lying.

COYP

Invalid user 2019 12 Dec 19 11.51pm
Originally posted by Badger11 Don't jump Dan live to fight another day. Labour need to re-group and think about what has happened. Was it their confused position on Brexit or did their policies frighten the electorate? I don't claim to know but they need to do some thinking we always need a strong opposition. I think their complete non position on Brexit hurt them, but I can see how it came about due to the Tory and Lib Dem stances. That and Corbyn himself. Part of that is definitely his fault and part was how he was portrayed. Some of their policies beyond the gimmicky ones were decent, but this was the Brexit election. At least next election the public will be clear, one way or another, on how they feel about being out of the EU, and so the election should be more policy focused for once.

Invalid user 2019

12 Dec 19 11.51pm

Originally posted by Badger11

Don't jump Dan live to fight another day. Labour need to re-group and think about what has happened.

Was it their confused position on Brexit or did their policies frighten the electorate? I don't claim to know but they need to do some thinking we always need a strong opposition.

I think their complete non position on Brexit hurt them, but I can see how it came about due to the Tory and Lib Dem stances. That and Corbyn himself. Part of that is definitely his fault and part was how he was portrayed. Some of their policies beyond the gimmicky ones were decent, but this was the Brexit election.

At least next election the public will be clear, one way or another, on how they feel about being out of the EU, and so the election should be more policy focused for once.

DanH SW2 12 Dec 19 11.52pm
Originally posted by Matov LOL. My bad. Apologies. Think your economic predictions are going to come true now by the way.

DanH

SW2 12 Dec 19 11.52pm

Originally posted by Matov

LOL. My bad. Apologies.

Think your economic predictions are going to come true now by the way.

Invalid user 2019 12 Dec 19 11.54pm
Originally posted by DanH Corbyn was never going to win an election or even get close to a majority. Never been his biggest fan and think he did get a bit of a tough ride from the press compared to BJ but he was never the answer. Still, tough to see where Labour go after this and didn’t quite see it being this decisive. Nervous about what is going to happen next though. BJ and his front bench really are charlatans. With any other leader, they'd have done better. Though I suppose due to the magnitude of the win they'd have still very likely lost. Brexit loomed over the election and so we're seeing lots of constituency results that once offs in nature.

Invalid user 2019

12 Dec 19 11.54pm

Originally posted by DanH

Still, tough to see where Labour go after this and didn’t quite see it being *this* decisive.

Nervous about what is going to happen next though. BJ and his front bench really are charlatans.

With any other leader, they'd have done better. Though I suppose due to the magnitude of the win they'd have still very likely lost. Brexit loomed over the election and so we're seeing lots of constituency results that once offs in nature.

Rudi Hedman Caterham 12 Dec 19 11.54pm
Originally posted by Badger11 Don't jump Dan live to fight another day. Labour need to re-group and think about what has happened. Was it their confused position on Brexit or did their policies frighten the electorate? I don't claim to know but they need to do some thinking we always need a strong opposition. When DanH is the same age he thinks is the average Hol politics forum then he’ll have his wish of a socialist or even worse government. Not many on here today will care that much or be able to while dribbling down their plastic bib, staring into the laptop while sat in men’s disposable pants, stinking of p1ss in the corner of the care home communal room. Enjoy the last few decades of sanity, in all ways. Edited by Rudi Hedman (12 Dec 2019 11.56pm) COYP

Rudi Hedman

Caterham 12 Dec 19 11.54pm

Originally posted by Badger11

Don't jump Dan live to fight another day. Labour need to re-group and think about what has happened.

Was it their confused position on Brexit or did their policies frighten the electorate? I don't claim to know but they need to do some thinking we always need a strong opposition.

When DanH is the same age he thinks is the average Hol politics forum then he’ll have his wish of a socialist or even worse government. Not many on here today will care that much or be able to while dribbling down their plastic bib, staring into the laptop while sat in men’s disposable pants, stinking of p1ss in the corner of the care home communal room.

Enjoy the last few decades of sanity, in all ways.

Edited by Rudi Hedman (12 Dec 2019 11.56pm)

COYP

Matov 12 Dec 19 11.57pm
Originally posted by DanH Still, tough to see where Labour go after this and didn’t quite see it being this decisive. Labour have a catch 22 situation with regards to how they elect their leaders now. Voting by text message is not the best of ideas. The issue is how much have Momentum got their claws into the wider party. My initial thoughts are that the Trade Unions are the ones who need to step out now and insist on a change or else they withdraw funding. Len McClusky is probably their best bet but how that pans out....anybody's guess. "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

Matov

12 Dec 19 11.57pm

Originally posted by DanH

Still, tough to see where Labour go after this and didn’t quite see it being *this* decisive.

Labour have a catch 22 situation with regards to how they elect their leaders now. Voting by text message is not the best of ideas. The issue is how much have Momentum got their claws into the wider party.

My initial thoughts are that the Trade Unions are the ones who need to step out now and insist on a change or else they withdraw funding. Len McClusky is probably their best bet but how that pans out....anybody's guess.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

DanH SW2 12 Dec 19 11.57pm
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman When DanH is the same age he thinks is the average Hol politics forum then he’ll have his wish of a socialist or even worse government. Not many on here today will care that much or be able to while dribbling down their plastic bib, staring into the laptop while sat in men’s disposable pants, stinking of p1ss in the corner of the care home communal room. Enjoy the last few decades of sanity, in all ways. Edited by Rudi Hedman (12 Dec 2019 11.56pm) You have seen Cucking tonight then. Been on the election night booze too?

DanH

SW2 12 Dec 19 11.57pm

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Enjoy the last few decades of sanity, in all ways.

Edited by Rudi Hedman (12 Dec 2019 11.56pm)

You have seen Cucking tonight then.

Been on the election night booze too?

DanH SW2 13 Dec 19 12.00am
Originally posted by Matov Labour have a catch 22 situation with regards to how they elect their leaders now. Voting by text message is not the best of ideas. The issue is how much have Momentum got their claws into the wider party. My initial thoughts are that the Trade Unions are the ones who need to step out now and insist on a change or else they withdraw funding. Len McClusky is probably their best bet but how that pans out....anybody's guess. If the exit polls reflect the results, and don’t see why they won’t, if Labour ever want to be elected again they need a shift back towards the centre and a leader who appeals. I still don’t get why BJ appeals to people that would otherwise vote Labour but that means I’m part of the problem.

DanH

SW2 13 Dec 19 12.00am

Originally posted by Matov

If the exit polls reflect the results, and don’t see why they won’t, if Labour ever want to be elected again they need a shift back towards the centre and a leader who appeals.

I still don’t get why BJ appeals to people that would otherwise vote Labour but that means I’m part of the problem.

Matov 13 Dec 19 12.05am
Originally posted by DanH I still don’t get why BJ appeals to people that would otherwise vote Labour but that means I’m part of the problem. It is Brexit. As simple as that. I am f***ing boring about it but just the constituency break down of the Brexit vote and the Euro's told the picture. Anybody who thought a second referendum was a good idea is the problem. Possibly the worse of all options. "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

Matov

13 Dec 19 12.05am

Originally posted by DanH

I still don’t get why BJ appeals to people that would otherwise vote Labour but that means I’m part of the problem.

It is Brexit. As simple as that. I am f***ing boring about it but just the constituency break down of the Brexit vote and the Euro's told the picture.

Anybody who thought a second referendum was a good idea is the problem. Possibly the worse of all options.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

Badger11 Beckenham 13 Dec 19 12.05am
Originally posted by DanH Corbyn was never going to win an election or even get close to a majority. Never been his biggest fan and think he did get a bit of a tough ride from the press compared to BJ but he was never the answer. Still, tough to see where Labour go after this and didn’t quite see it being this decisive. Nervous about what is going to happen next though. BJ and his front bench really are charlatans. Lots of the political pundits saying tonight that if Johnson gets his win the new Tory northern MPs will push him back to the centre. The next GE will not be about Brexit so they must come up with policies to keep those northern Tories onside. One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 13 Dec 19 12.05am

Originally posted by DanH

Still, tough to see where Labour go after this and didn’t quite see it being *this* decisive.

Nervous about what is going to happen next though. BJ and his front bench really are charlatans.

Lots of the political pundits saying tonight that if Johnson gets his win the new Tory northern MPs will push him back to the centre. The next GE will not be about Brexit so they must come up with policies to keep those northern Tories onside.

One more point

Rudi Hedman Caterham 13 Dec 19 12.07am
Originally posted by DanH If the exit polls reflect the results, and don’t see why they won’t, if Labour ever want to be elected again they need a shift back towards the centre and a leader who appeals. I still don’t get why BJ appeals to people that would otherwise vote Labour but that means I’m part of the problem. They just see Corbyn is a nutter, delusional, a student protestor, a.pretender, a fantasist, reckless, sure to tip is over. BJ might bring problems but Corbyn will keep giving money to different groups over and over again. We saw that with the WASPI pensions. It’s all very obvious. Not a lot to analyse. You’ll get your wish one day. I’ll watch from abroad. From Scottish tory Ruth. ‘Corbyn is seen as toxic. He didn’t want to be leader, PM, and he’s a student politics protestor.’ Thankfully the country didn’t make a big mistake, for now. Edited by Rudi Hedman (13 Dec 2019 12.19am) COYP

Rudi Hedman

Caterham 13 Dec 19 12.07am

Originally posted by DanH

If the exit polls reflect the results, and don’t see why they won’t, if Labour ever want to be elected again they need a shift back towards the centre and a leader who appeals.

I still don’t get why BJ appeals to people that would otherwise vote Labour but that means I’m part of the problem.

They just see Corbyn is a nutter, delusional, a student protestor, a.pretender, a fantasist, reckless, sure to tip is over. BJ might bring problems but Corbyn will keep giving money to different groups over and over again. We saw that with the WASPI pensions.

It’s all very obvious. Not a lot to analyse. You’ll get your wish one day. I’ll watch from abroad.

From Scottish tory Ruth. ‘Corbyn is seen as toxic. He didn’t want to be leader, PM, and he’s a student politics protestor.’

Thankfully the country didn’t make a big mistake, for now.

Edited by Rudi Hedman (13 Dec 2019 12.19am)

COYP

Stirlingsays 13 Dec 19 12.09am
Originally posted by Badger11 Lots of the political pundits saying tonight that if Johnson gets his win the new Tory northern MPs will push him back to the centre. The next GE will not be about Brexit so they must come up with policies to keep those northern Tories onside. I do hope not....he's already a bit of a 'wet' as it is. Mind you, that's in old Tory speak....for the modern Tory party he's on the right of the party. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

13 Dec 19 12.09am

Originally posted by Badger11

Lots of the political pundits saying tonight that if Johnson gets his win the new Tory northern MPs will push him back to the centre. The next GE will not be about Brexit so they must come up with policies to keep those northern Tories onside.

I do hope not....he's already a bit of a 'wet' as it is.

Mind you, that's in old Tory speak....for the modern Tory party he's on the right of the party.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 13 Dec 19 12.21am
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger So it's OK to say that to a White person. I'll call Donald Trump and let him know. Feel free All down to context, as you well know. Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.

SW19 CPFC

Addiscombe West 13 Dec 19 12.21am

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

So it's OK to say that to a White person.

I'll call Donald Trump and let him know.

Feel free

All down to context, as you well know.

Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.

Badger11 Beckenham 13 Dec 19 12.23am
I'm supposed to be going to bed but it's too compelling. This is one of the few nights when politicians speak the truth. Just heard the Labour candidate for Stoke (they're still counting) He thinks he's lost and blames Corbyn very blunt with his comments so refreshing why can't they speak like that more often. One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 13 Dec 19 12.23am

I'm supposed to be going to bed but it's too compelling. This is one of the few nights when politicians speak the truth.

Just heard the Labour candidate for Stoke (they're still counting) He thinks he's lost and blames Corbyn very blunt with his comments so refreshing why can't they speak like that more often.

One more point

Stirlingsays 13 Dec 19 12.26am
Originally posted by SW19 CPFC Feel free All down to context, as you well know.[ To an extent, but I think that context is allowed to explain away a lot of double standards. Still, regardless I think you'd should be allowed to say whatever the feck you want about anybody regardless. Jim Davidson for next Tory PM. Edited by Stirlingsays (13 Dec 2019 12.28am) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

13 Dec 19 12.26am

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

Feel free

All down to context, as you well know.[

To an extent, but I think that context is allowed to explain away a lot of double standards.

Still, regardless I think you'd should be allowed to say whatever the feck you want about anybody regardless.

Jim Davidson for next Tory PM.

Edited by Stirlingsays (13 Dec 2019 12.28am)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Rudi Hedman Caterham 13 Dec 19 12.27am
Originally posted by Badger11 I'm supposed to be going to bed but it's too compelling. This is one of the few nights when politicians speak the truth. Just heard the Labour candidate for Stoke (they're still counting) He thinks he's lost and blames Corbyn very blunt with his comments so refreshing why can't they speak like that more often. Because they’d have to join Change or Lib Dem or whoever. COYP

Rudi Hedman

Caterham 13 Dec 19 12.27am

Originally posted by Badger11

I'm supposed to be going to bed but it's too compelling. This is one of the few nights when politicians speak the truth.

Just heard the Labour candidate for Stoke (they're still counting) He thinks he's lost and blames Corbyn very blunt with his comments so refreshing why can't they speak like that more often.

Because they’d have to join Change or Lib Dem or whoever.

COYP

SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 13 Dec 19 12.31am
Originally posted by dollardays He said with regard to the 'I'm no longer proud to be British. We are a joke and a disgrace' rant I believe. It was the kind of comment that warranted a dismissive response. There's something to be said for cheering up! In addition to the fact his household earns many many times over the average national household wage yet he complains about any potential for a slight increase in tax, all while insinuating that a rebate should be in order for sending his kids to private school and paying for private healthcare. Back on message - all things considered I agree it will be very interesting to see how a clear majority performs over the next 12 months, but I still can’t see anything other than yet another extension occurring come the end of the year. Unless Boris really does move significantly towards the EU thus making negotiations easier. Either way people shouldn’t get too carried away if they voted solely on Brexit. Plenty of likely scenarios where you end up with a solution pretty close to Labours. Then what do you do? Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.

SW19 CPFC

Addiscombe West 13 Dec 19 12.31am

Originally posted by dollardays

He said with regard to the 'I'm no longer proud to be British. We are a joke and a disgrace' rant I believe.

It was the kind of comment that warranted a dismissive response. There's something to be said for cheering up!

In addition to the fact his household earns many many times over the average national household wage yet he complains about any potential for a slight increase in tax, all while insinuating that a rebate should be in order for sending his kids to private school and paying for private healthcare.

Back on message - all things considered I agree it will be very interesting to see how a clear majority performs over the next 12 months, but I still can’t see anything other than yet another extension occurring come the end of the year. Unless Boris really does move significantly towards the EU thus making negotiations easier.

Either way people shouldn’t get too carried away if they voted solely on Brexit. Plenty of likely scenarios where you end up with a solution pretty close to Labours. Then what do you do?

Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.

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