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 mezzer  Main Stand, Block F, Row 20 seat 1... 23 Feb 16 2.14pm |
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Originally posted by dannyh
That is scaremongering on a David (I’m s***ting myself) Cameron scale. The Norwegians still trade with Europe, in fact pretty much just about every piece of fish you eat is imported from Norway, Australia seems to do OK, so do most other countries, and whose to say the car firms or bankers would up and leave anyway ? We would still be able to trade with Europe, but we wouldn’t be tied to some of the barking mad loony’s in Brussels, the only business leaders s***ting a brick are the ones that stand to lose personal fortunes if we pull out as they are heavily invested in European interests.
So my bit of Dover Sole I've got for later has come from a fjord?? That's made my mind up. Can't trust anything any more. I'm voting OUT
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 23 Feb 16 2.15pm |
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Originally posted by dannyh
That is scaremongering on a David (I’m s***ting myself) Cameron scale. The Norwegians still trade with Europe, in fact pretty much just about every piece of fish you eat is imported from Norway, Australia seems to do OK, so do most other countries, and whose to say the car firms or bankers would up and leave anyway ? We would still be able to trade with Europe, but we wouldn’t be tied to some of the barking mad loony’s in Brussels, the only business leaders s***ting a brick are the ones that stand to lose personal fortunes if we pull out as they are heavily invested in European interests.
Norway cannot restrict immigrants. We want to. That is the key difference and fundamental concept of the EU. I am for the exit but I also see that it's going to take more effort than 'here's our stance and that's it.' It's going to take someone with some very stern negotiating skills akin to Thatcher. None of the current lot look capable. Pathetic really.
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 23 Feb 16 2.20pm |
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Well worth reading. That's 4,000 jobs not at risk of the supposed 3mil jobs.
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| Hoof Hearted 23 Feb 16 2.34pm | |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
Well worth reading. That's 4,000 jobs not at risk of the supposed 3mil jobs. Fair play to the Japs! I can forgive them for their war crimes now.
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| Hoof Hearted 23 Feb 16 2.38pm | |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Was a typo, but I am unsurprised you found a 3 letter anagram difficult Typical Gusset - announces his post is an anagram after posting now that is unsurprising.
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 23 Feb 16 2.39pm |
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Originally posted by Hoof Hearted
Fair play to the Japs! I can forgive them for their war crimes now. They know us, we know them and have known everyone for centuries, for good or bad. We speak English, we're not in the Euro currency and we have an able and will work today workforce, not a mañana one. They can rely on the midland/northern worker to turn up for 8 hour shifts covering 24/7 and JIT manufacturing. They cannot rely on that efficiency elsewhere. Footnote: Ask us to run a car company 100% and it'll collapse.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 23 Feb 16 2.59pm |
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well if this doesn't swing it, nothing will... 'They've taken all our fish...' Edited by nickgusset (23 Feb 2016 3.00pm)
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| Superfly The sun always shines in Catford 23 Feb 16 3.06pm |
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Originally posted by Hoof Hearted
Fair play to the Japs! I can forgive them for their war crimes now. About 20 years ago, my mate took me too a lap dancing club in Tokyo. One of the local girls there (for a small fee) was only too pleased to spend a few minutes grinding her crotch onto my nether regions whilst forcing her heavily implanted lilstans down my throat. It was at this point that they earned my forgiveness.
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| Stuk Top half 23 Feb 16 3.06pm |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
Norway cannot restrict immigrants. We want to. That is the key difference and fundamental concept of the EU. I am for the exit but I also see that it's going to take more effort than 'here's our stance and that's it.' It's going to take someone with some very stern negotiating skills akin to Thatcher. None of the current lot look capable. Pathetic really. Supposedly. But then neither could Germany, Sweden or Austria etc. Until they all decided to do so. They used to make them arrive by vehicle in Norway which led to thousands arriving by bike at the northern border, but they've now closed that loophole too.
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| DanH SW2 23 Feb 16 3.08pm |
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Not read or heard a convincing argument either way yet. It's almost as if people are blindly choosing sides based on a hunch dictated by their political persuasions.
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| Stuk Top half 23 Feb 16 3.09pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
To me, whilst its funny, its actually the interrupter who comes off as the t***, wasting peoples time with quips and jokes, rather than doing his job and listening and letting people actually address the commons etc. I don't really see how it paints Corbyn's merits or aptitude at all, it just shows mentality of British Politics. Its like the kid who disrupts class, to make his mates laugh. It was a well interjected quip and it was f***ing funny. His job isn't listening to Corbyn anyway, it's listening to his constituents.
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| Stuk Top half 23 Feb 16 3.12pm |
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Originally posted by DanH
Not read or heard a convincing argument either way yet. It's almost as if people are blindly choosing sides based on a hunch dictated by their political persuasions. If anything I'd say people are ignoring their political persuasions. Other than those for whom it is the only issue at all.
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| matt_himself Matataland 23 Feb 16 3.14pm |
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Originally posted by DanH
Not read or heard a convincing argument either way yet. It's almost as if people are blindly choosing sides based on a hunch dictated by their political persuasions. That's simply not true. Many people are using complete ignorance when making their decision.
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| dannyh wherever I lay my hat....... 23 Feb 16 3.35pm |
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Originally posted by DanH
Not read or heard a convincing argument either way yet. It's almost as if people are blindly choosing sides based on a hunch dictated by their political persuasions. Not really, I'm right of centre and think Cameron is an oily little greasey t***t only beaten in his levels of arseholery by Jeremy Hunt (that has to be rhyming slang). But I disagree with him and think we should leave, But I agree with you other than the useual scaremongering by Europhiles there really hasnt been anything of substance to persuade me otherwise.
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| Part Time James 23 Feb 16 3.44pm |
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I am doing what I usually do when something political comes along. Referring to the HOL forum and seeing which side has the best insults and funny memes.
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| Bexley Eagle Bexley Kent 23 Feb 16 3.50pm |
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Originally posted by Canterbury Palace
Both sides have strong arguments and I daresay in the coming months we'll hear them both to death. Personally I feel that the country has long been in a gradual state of decay and that a lack of control over our own affairs is a big part of that. Additionally the arrogance of the EU irritates me and I don't see why we should continue to put so much into a club where we are despised by most of the other members. I couldn't agree more. It's an out for me.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 23 Feb 16 4.14pm |
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Originally posted by Canterbury Palace
Both sides have strong arguments and I daresay in the coming months we'll hear them both to death. Personally I feel that the country has long been in a gradual state of decay and that a lack of control over our own affairs is a big part of that. Additionally the arrogance of the EU irritates me and I don't see why we should continue to put so much into a club where we are despised by most of the other members. Problem for me, is that I really enjoy the way that the ECHR destroys the hubris and arrogance of British Politicians. I'd happily vote out, if we retain the European Court. For me, that remains the single biggest reason to stay in - As it ensures that politicians and government abides by its own laws. Remaining in the European Court, and I'll be voting out.
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| dannyh wherever I lay my hat....... 23 Feb 16 4.47pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Problem for me, is that I really enjoy the way that the ECHR destroys the hubris and arrogance of British Politicians. I'd happily vote out, if we retain the European Court. For me, that remains the single biggest reason to stay in - As it ensures that politicians and government abides by its own laws. Remaining in the European Court, and I'll be voting out. Troble is Jamie they are fastly becoming "not our laws" but passed down bullsh1t from some faceless pr1ck called serge eating a croissant and smoking at his desk.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 23 Feb 16 5.01pm |
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Originally posted by dannyh
Troble is Jamie they are fastly becoming "not our laws" but passed down bullsh1t from some faceless pr1ck called serge eating a croissant and smoking at his desk.
Well yes, and no. The European Court rules where two or more laws are in conflict in UK law. For example the right to vote for all citizens, and the disenfranchisement of prisoners. Both of these are explicitly defined in UK law. If the UK courts and participants cannot sufficiently reach a ruling, then the court of appeal passes it to the European Court for arbitaration. The European court doesn't make laws, it rules on conflicts within nations laws. The mistake is that a lot of these stem from the European Human Rights Act of 1998, which sets down a series of rights applicable to all citizens - Which we agreed to and introduced through parliament. In fact the UK is under no obligation to accept the ruling, but the Judiciary usually implements it as precident or advises the Government to pass legislation resolving the conflict. Its not just conflicts with the Human Rights Act, any contradiction in UK law can be passed to the European Court for a ruling. Basically, the court only ever rules of cases passed to it from member states court. It doesn't create laws for the UK it rules on existing ones. Human rights make it easier to arbitrate because they're effectively like the US constitution (no law can override the constitution, that requires an amendment to be added).
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