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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
My Cousin is a big Britain First supporter and an Uncle is a BNP member, I don't have an issue with them, just their politics, it makes for some heated discussions - Because they're not unreasonable people, and some of their issues seem reasonable to me (I think they're wrong, but more because their concern is the symptom, rather than the cause). I wouldn't want to live next door to a Romanian Death Metal Band, because of the noise (same way I didn't move into a house because the neighbours had a young kid and another due) - Pretty reasonable - I'm a night owl and can be a noisy neighbour, and kids are noisy during the day (and night with babies). The key between being discriminatory is 'reasonable' concerns. Not wanting to live next door to people because they're Romanian is a bit racist because it seems rather unreasonable (and specific - is it just Romanians Mr Farage?) Edited by jamiemartin721 (21 Apr 2017 10.47am) In the end it comes down to self preservation, and whether you like it or not, preconceptions play a part in that. They exist for a reason.
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
In the end it comes down to self preservation, and whether you like it or not, preconceptions play a part in that. They exist for a reason. Preconceptions are socially and psychologically constructed though, they aren't inherently natural, and they're also not defining. For the most part they are 'learned behaviours from our social environment and upbringing'. i.e. we learn most of our preconceptions initially from sources we trust, and then increasingly from our own experiences. If we don't challenge our preconceptions, we stagnate. Preconceptions exist because it increases the speed of efficiency with which the human brain reacts in a primitive environment, not because its more accurate. In a primal environment, that's a benefit. In modern society it isn't. But Preconception (and all apriori knowledge) are not hard coded, by develop based on our experiences related to them and they become enhanced by those experiences. Prejudices do have a cognitive function, but those functions develop according to how we experience difference between our preconceptions and our experiences. I'd argue that most people barely thought about Romanians prior to this thread.
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Originally posted by Part Time James
I've seen her abused because she's made comments about white people that, if tables were turned, would have everyone screaming "racist". I've seen her abused for hypocrisy regarding grammar schools. I've seen her abused for doing the business with Corbyn. But I don't remember her ever getting abuse on this forum for being black. Have I found some "fake news" here? Me neither and if I had, it would have been a yellow, or a straight red.
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Originally posted by steeleye20
CPFC is an example of multi-culturalism. The people on here abusing Mrs Abbot because she is black are the same people who worship their black idols Sakho and Zaha. What have they in common with CPFC and its values. Have not read anyone abusing Abott because she is black. She gets abuse because she is a complete and utter corrupt f***wit.
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Originally posted by bubble wrap
Have not read anyone abusing Abott because she is black. She gets abuse because she is a complete and utter corrupt f***wit. I think the lady is so abhorrent in other aspects that even the most rabid of racists could have omitted to even notice her skin colour. If we're going to pull Farage apart for his alleged racist views (and to caveat that whilst I am a fan of him to an extent, I don't have a problem with anti-Farage people airing their dislike if they wish to) then it's probably right that Diane Abbott's name came into the mix even if it was in the wrong context.
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Originally posted by Part Time James
I think the lady is so abhorrent in other aspects that even the most rabid of racists could have omitted to even notice her skin colour. If we're going to pull Farage apart for his alleged racist views (and to caveat that whilst I am a fan of him to an extent, I don't have a problem with anti-Farage people airing their dislike if they wish to) then it's probably right that Diane Abbott's name came into the mix even if it was in the wrong context. I don't know why we are even discussing her skin colour. #PCgonemadloonyliberalleftetc Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (21 Apr 2017 11.30am)
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
I don't know why we are even discussing her skin colour. #PCgonemadloonyliberalleftetc Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (21 Apr 2017 11.30am) Absolutely, I think because a previous poster outright lied about the behaviour of people on this forum and it was important to call them out for it. Funny, it was akin to an attempt at stirring up some racial hatred wasn't it?!
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Nigel Farage has announced that he's stepping down from the leadership of Reform and from active party politics. I didn't like how he left Ukip but I just have to say....thank you Farage. Without you Brexit wouldn't have happened. Yup for all his faults he was a great motivator for the cause. I think he is making the right choice the Reform party is now looking at issues such as abolish the TV licence and House of Lords. All necessary things but it will be a long haul not sexy to the public so I can see how he's had enough it's time to pass the torch. Than you Nige
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He's stepping down because he knows he's unelectable. Without brexit he has nothing, he was a one trick pony and not a very good one either.
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Originally posted by punksnotdead
He's stepping down because he knows he's unelectable. Without brexit he has nothing, he was a one trick pony and not a very good one either. He may have been a one trick pony and you are right there is no obvious career path for him now but I don't think you can say he was not very good. We would not have had a referendum without him. He may have only sung one note but he did that very well. NB Note to Extinction Rebellion, Green Party and others. I often hear people say direct action is the only solution as democracy in this country is rigged. Well Nigel showed that a minority party can through the ballot box achieve its aims without disrupting people going about their lives. Edited by Badger11 (08 Mar 2021 9.09am)
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Originally posted by punksnotdead
He's stepping down because he knows he's unelectable. Without brexit he has nothing, he was a one trick pony and not a very good one either. That doesn't make any sense.....reads like sour grapes. If Farage was a pony, then that pony won the national.
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Originally posted by punksnotdead
He's stepping down because he knows he's unelectable. Without brexit he has nothing, he was a one trick pony and not a very good one either. Originally posted by punksnotdead
he knows he's unelectable. Yes. He's unelectable, except when it mattered, like that small time he won the EU parliament elections in 2014, paving the way for Cameron s***ting the bed and... Originally posted by punksnotdead
not a very good one either. ...promising the in-out EU referendum Farage had been calling for for years and... Originally posted by punksnotdead
he was a one trick pony. ...subsequently won. After it became apparent the pro-EU establishment were intent on delivering a complete cop-out... Originally posted by punksnotdead
he knows he's unelectable. ...he then launched a new party that then won the EU parliament elections again, forcing the government onto a much harder-line track, so that.... Originally posted by punksnotdead
Without brexit he has nothing. ...he could achieve his lifetime political ambition. Pretty much the only thing even remotely accurate in your post? "He's stepping down" Well done Nigel - you took on the political establishment and won. Enjoy your retirement from front-line politics - let's hope for the sake of your opposition that you mean it this time!
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Reform? Form a new party, get the lolly in, then move on. The Farage scam no longer working, he has been rumbled. Did he ever get a Parliamentary seat? Not ever. A nasty little con-man.
There were a lot of dirty tricks used against Farage when it came to his parliamentary efforts. As for your thoughts on con-men....mmmm.
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
There were a lot of dirty tricks used against Farage when it came to his parliamentary efforts. As for your thoughts on con-men....mmmm. Like people not voting for him, as he was an odious little squirt.
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Like people not voting for him, as he was an odious little squirt. Ironic.
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Like people not voting for him, as he was an odious little squirt. Ha. A lot of money was spent keeping Nige out of Parliament, but he still won one of the greatest victories in political history. Meanwhile, crazy communists still dream of unicorns and other impossible claptrap.
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