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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 06 Aug 19 2.09pm | |
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Originally posted by Lucretius
I don't know if it's quite as easy as suddenly ending up mixed race. There would have to be choices made along the way.
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Stirlingsays 06 Aug 19 2.20pm | |
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Originally posted by Lucretius
hmm... this is pretty textbook white supremacy. White supremacists fear their identity is under attack. They have a paranoid sense of annihilation which they look to blame some minority group for. This is very different to identity politics. Identity politics is about minority groups wanting to live with dignity - it's not about the preservation of their identity, it's about trying to overcome the hatred they endure because of their identity. Everything you wrote here is a croc of crap. White supremacy is an anti white term. Identity politics for non whites but when it's whites you describe it as 'white supremacy'. Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Aug 2019 2.23pm)
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Hrolf The Ganger 06 Aug 19 2.58pm | |
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Originally posted by Lucretius
hmm... this is pretty textbook white supremacy. White supremacists fear their identity is under attack. They have a paranoid sense of annihilation which they look to blame some minority group for. This is very different to identity politics. Identity politics is about minority groups wanting to live with dignity - it's not about the preservation of their identity, it's about trying to overcome the hatred they endure because of their identity. The word supremacist relates to superiority. It has nothing to do with anything else. The term is one of many used by politically motivated organizations to imply a certain stereotype along with words like Islamophobia, Little Englander Gammon etc.
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Stirlingsays 06 Aug 19 3.03pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
The word supremacist relates to superiority. It has nothing to do with anything else. The term is one of many used by politically motivated organizations to imply a certain stereotype along with words like Islamophobia, Little Englander Gammon etc. Seconded.
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Hrolf The Ganger 06 Aug 19 3.20pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Do you seriously believe that the UN do not understand these things better than you? Immigrant birth rates are higher now but will reduce and then match our current levels over a relatively short time. There is plenty of past experiences to indicate that is a very confident prediction. It's also common sense. Firstly, you don't know who I am and more importantly, the science of predicting population growth is limited by many variables. I really don't care if you accept that or not. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (06 Aug 2019 3.24pm)
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 06 Aug 19 4.09pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Firstly, you don't know who I am and more importantly, the science of predicting population growth is limited by many variables. I really don't care if you accept that or not. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (06 Aug 2019 3.24pm) That's not what it said at all. The forecast was for a marked slow down between 2050 and 2100 with it peaking then and stabilising. No responsible forecast has ever indicated a growth rate that would take us towards 20 billion. The current level is 7.7 billion. The forecast is 9.7 by 2050 and around 11 billion by 2100. These are big numbers, but manageable with planning and the use of technology and science. There is just no need to panic. The movement of people is an entirely separate subject. It is though completely wrong to assume that just because the genetic make up of our fellow citizens will continue to change, just as it always has, that means there is some kind of threat to us by way of decreased living standards. Everyone wants high living standards, including any new arrivals, and it's them whose standards will be raised and not ours diminished. We just need to make sure that new arrivals are welcomed and integrated, just as we have done with previous waves. Challenges are there to be faced and overcome. They are not overcome by sitting at a keyboard complaining about how awful things are going to be. We will only be defeated if we surrender our well earned reputation for tolerance, good humour and kindness. Other nations respect that and we should be flattered when people want to join us. Make them welcome and train them to be like us and before long even people like you will wonder what all the fuss was about.
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Teddy Eagle 06 Aug 19 4.41pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
That's not what it said at all. The forecast was for a marked slow down between 2050 and 2100 with it peaking then and stabilising. No responsible forecast has ever indicated a growth rate that would take us towards 20 billion. The current level is 7.7 billion. The forecast is 9.7 by 2050 and around 11 billion by 2100. These are big numbers, but manageable with planning and the use of technology and science. There is just no need to panic. The movement of people is an entirely separate subject. It is though completely wrong to assume that just because the genetic make up of our fellow citizens will continue to change, just as it always has, that means there is some kind of threat to us by way of decreased living standards. Everyone wants high living standards, including any new arrivals, and it's them whose standards will be raised and not ours diminished. We just need to make sure that new arrivals are welcomed and integrated, just as we have done with previous waves. Challenges are there to be faced and overcome. They are not overcome by sitting at a keyboard complaining about how awful things are going to be. We will only be defeated if we surrender our well earned reputation for tolerance, good humour and kindness. Other nations respect that and we should be flattered when people want to join us. Make them welcome and train them to be like us and before long even people like you will wonder what all the fuss was about. So diversity is good provided everyone is the same.
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Stirlingsays 06 Aug 19 4.47pm | |
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Direct all the immigration into Cornwall. Watch the house prices dive and all those hypocrites move out.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 06 Aug 19 5.15pm | |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
So diversity is good provided everyone is the same. That makes no sense! The diversity of people tends to mitigate over generations. Groups may retain some elements of their original cultural identities when celebrating special occasions but assume much of the mainstream at other times. By the way, the Cornish are a great example of how to successfully manage immigration. Not only do they see a huge influx of temporary immigrants from all over the world at this time of year, (I have 2 Australians staying with me right now) but they have welcomed hundreds of thousands of English people like me with open arms and friendship to come and live here. They are still Cornish, and have many local customs, and support Wales in Rugby games, but there's no reluctance at all to see us all here. The house prices are higher here because of the immigrants. I suspect therefore it isn't immigration which bothers so many posting here. It's a certain type of immigrant.
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Teddy Eagle 06 Aug 19 5.19pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
That makes no sense! The diversity of people tends to mitigate over generations. Groups may retain some elements of their original cultural identities when celebrating special occasions but assume much of the mainstream at other times. By the way, the Cornish are a great example of how to successfully manage immigration. Not only do they see a huge influx of temporary immigrants from all over the world at this time of year, (I have 2 Australians staying with me right now) but they have welcomed hundreds of thousands of English people like me with open arms and friendship to come and live here. They are still Cornish, and have many local customs, and support Wales in Rugby games, but there's no reluctance at all to see us all here. The house prices are higher here because of the immigrants. I suspect therefore it isn't immigration which bothers so many posting here. It's a certain type of immigrant. You’re the person who said we need to train them to be like us. If they’re like us they’re not very diverse are they?
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cryrst The garden of England 06 Aug 19 5.22pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
That's not what it said at all. The forecast was for a marked slow down between 2050 and 2100 with it peaking then and stabilising. No responsible forecast has ever indicated a growth rate that would take us towards 20 billion. The current level is 7.7 billion. The forecast is 9.7 by 2050 and around 11 billion by 2100. These are big numbers, but manageable with planning and the use of technology and science. There is just no need to panic. The movement of people is an entirely separate subject. It is though completely wrong to assume that just because the genetic make up of our fellow citizens will continue to change, just as it always has, that means there is some kind of threat to us by way of decreased living standards. Everyone wants high living standards, including any new arrivals, and it's them whose standards will be raised and not ours diminished. We just need to make sure that new arrivals are welcomed and integrated, just as we have done with previous waves. Challenges are there to be faced and overcome. They are not overcome by sitting at a keyboard complaining about how awful things are going to be. We will only be defeated if we surrender our well earned reputation for tolerance, good humour and kindness. Other nations respect that and we should be flattered when people want to join us. Make them welcome and train them to be like us and before long even people like you will wonder what all the fuss was about. 'Train them to be like us'
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Stirlingsays 06 Aug 19 5.28pm | |
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At the 2011 census the demographics of Cornwall was shown to be 95.7% white. This guy speaks the biggest load of BS I've ever witnessed. All immigration needs to be directed into Cornwall.....not the filtered visitors to B&Bs. Watch the house prices dive and all the hypocrites move out. Build the new housing and all the new infrastructure required for all the new immigrants coming in Cornwall.....let those who speak of 'challenges' for others be the people who deal with those 'challenges'. A principle isn't a principle until it costs you.
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