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the silurian The garden of England.(not really) 18 Dec 20 2.58pm
Originally posted by southnorwoodhill Many players jump with the outtretched arm in the manner Benteke did, does this mean all such challenges are fouls or is this ref interpreting the rules in his own way? 1. Only if you dont play for one of the big 6 2. or interpreting in the way he has been paid to do See how many players are sent off on Saturday for doing EXACTLY what Benteke did, jump with his arm out.....Kane will do it every time he challenges as will any Moan U player, Livarpool player, Chelsea player etc etc and not one of them will be sent off, even if Coote is the referee!! Edited by the silurian (18 Dec 2020 3.00pm)

the silurian

The garden of England.(not really) 18 Dec 20 2.58pm

Originally posted by southnorwoodhill

Many players jump with the outtretched arm in the manner Benteke did, does this mean all such challenges are fouls or is this ref interpreting the rules in his own way?

1. Only if you dont play for one of the big 6
2. or interpreting in the way he has been paid to do

See how many players are sent off on Saturday for doing EXACTLY what Benteke did, jump with his arm out.....Kane will do it every time he challenges as will any Moan U player, Livarpool player, Chelsea player etc etc and not one of them will be sent off, even if Coote is the referee!!

Edited by the silurian (18 Dec 2020 3.00pm)

the silurian The garden of England.(not really) 18 Dec 20 3.03pm
Originally posted by Willo This is what Dermot Gallagher had to say about the 2 yellow cards : "I was surprised when I heard that [from Roy Hodgson] because Benteke was actually booked earlier in the game for exactly the same offence. Put the two yellow cards together, and they were both for leading with a flailing arm, both of which can hit an opponent in the face. "He got a yellow card early on, and the second was almost a carbon-copy incident. We ask for consistency and David Coote was totally consistent in so much that he produced the second yellow card." of course Gallagher will always defend the referee, he was one of the worst "big club' referees back in the day....see his handling of Palace v Leeds FA Cup match way back...he was a cheat then and still is..

the silurian

The garden of England.(not really) 18 Dec 20 3.03pm

Originally posted by Willo

This is what Dermot Gallagher had to say about the 2 yellow cards :

"I was surprised when I heard that [from Roy Hodgson] because Benteke was actually booked earlier in the game for exactly the same offence. Put the two yellow cards together, and they were both for leading with a flailing arm, both of which can hit an opponent in the face.

"He got a yellow card early on, and the second was almost a carbon-copy incident. We ask for consistency and David Coote was totally consistent in so much that he produced the second yellow card."

of course Gallagher will always defend the referee, he was one of the worst "big club' referees back in the day....see his handling of Palace v Leeds FA Cup match way back...he was a cheat then and still is..

Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 18 Dec 20 3.17pm
Originally posted by the silurian of course Gallagher will always defend the referee, he was one of the worst "big club' referees back in the day....see his handling of Palace v Leeds FA Cup match way back...he was a cheat then and still is.. With respect he does not always defend the decisions. Apropos the Benteke cards, he echoed my comments about consistency shown by David Coote in brandishing cards for two identical incidents.Of course there are those who have taken umbrage at his decisions but he certainly was consistent.

Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 18 Dec 20 3.17pm

Originally posted by the silurian

of course Gallagher will always defend the referee, he was one of the worst "big club' referees back in the day....see his handling of Palace v Leeds FA Cup match way back...he was a cheat then and still is..

With respect he does not always defend the decisions.

Apropos the Benteke cards, he echoed my comments about consistency shown by David Coote in brandishing cards for two identical incidents.Of course there are those who have taken umbrage at his decisions but he certainly was consistent.

Nicholas91 The Democratic Republic of Kent 18 Dec 20 3.31pm
Originally posted by Willo With respect he does not always defend the decisions. Apropos the Benteke cards, he echoed my comments about consistency shown by David Coote in brandishing cards for two identical incidents.Of course there are those who have taken umbrage at his decisions but he certainly was consistent. I don't think anyone has campaigned for referees to be consistently making the same bad decisions Willo. I am sure if the resources were available we could identify 100 similar instances this season alone where a yellow card was not produced and therefore there is no consistency. Furthermore, another litmus test for consistency will be if he continues to brandish yellow cards and resultant reds for any player who jumps with a raised arm to win headers.. which I doubt. Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

Nicholas91

The Democratic Republic of Kent 18 Dec 20 3.31pm

Originally posted by Willo

With respect he does not always defend the decisions.

I don't think anyone has campaigned for referees to be consistently making the same bad decisions Willo. I am sure if the resources were available we could identify 100 similar instances this season alone where a yellow card was not produced and therefore there is no consistency.

Furthermore, another litmus test for consistency will be if he continues to brandish yellow cards and resultant reds for any player who jumps with a raised arm to win headers.. which I doubt.

Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 18 Dec 20 3.40pm
Originally posted by Nicholas91 I don't think anyone has campaigned for referees to be consistently making the same bad decisions Willo. I am sure if the resources were available we could identify 100 similar instances this season alone where a yellow card was not produced and therefore there is no consistency. Furthermore, another litmus test for consistency will be if he continues to brandish yellow cards and resultant reds for any player who jumps with a raised arm to win headers.. which I doubt. His next appointment as a referee is on Boxing Day when he is in the middle for Sheff Utd v Everton. In the W.Ham game it is apparent that Coote viewed Benteke's arm movements as flailing arms across the face of opposition players and deemed the incidents as worthy of 'Yellows'.

Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 18 Dec 20 3.40pm

Originally posted by Nicholas91

Furthermore, another litmus test for consistency will be if he continues to brandish yellow cards and resultant reds for any player who jumps with a raised arm to win headers.. which I doubt.

His next appointment as a referee is on Boxing Day when he is in the middle for Sheff Utd v Everton.

In the W.Ham game it is apparent that Coote viewed Benteke's arm movements as flailing arms across the face of opposition players and deemed the incidents as worthy of 'Yellows'.

Eaglecoops CR3 18 Dec 20 3.54pm
Originally posted by Willo With respect he does not always defend the decisions. Apropos the Benteke cards, he echoed my comments about consistency shown by David Coote in brandishing cards for two identical incidents.Of course there are those who have taken umbrage at his decisions but he certainly was consistent. I understand what you are saying. My point is there should be consistency across all referees, not one referee consistently making a poor decision. The argument in favour of consistency really doesn’t pass muster in such circumstances.

Eaglecoops

CR3 18 Dec 20 3.54pm

Originally posted by Willo

With respect he does not always defend the decisions.

I understand what you are saying. My point is there should be consistency across all referees, not one referee consistently making a poor decision. The argument in favour of consistency really doesn’t pass muster in such circumstances.

eagleman13 On The Road To Hell & Alicante 18 Dec 20 4.05pm
Originally posted by Eaglecoops I understand what you are saying. My point is there should be consistency across all referees, not one referee consistently making a poor decision. The argument in favour of consistency really doesn’t pass muster in such circumstances. EC, dont get me wrong, but like you, i also understand what Willo is on about. Now, you will NEVER get consistency from 2 refs never mind All refs. I keep trying to educate posters, that there is a phrase in Law 12 that states "IF IN THE REFEREES OPINION" thats it. If 1 ref thinks its a foul/caution, he will give it, on the other hand, another ref might think differently & not give it. This btw, has nothing to do with 'big 6' bias, refs like players, fans, managers etc, are just human. When people can grasp that, convos will be more interesting & not meander round & round in circles like the 'Taking the knee' thread. This operation, will make the 'Charge Of The Light Brigade' seem like a simple military exercise.

eagleman13

On The Road To Hell & Alicante 18 Dec 20 4.05pm

Originally posted by Eaglecoops

EC, dont get me wrong, but like you, i also understand what Willo is on about. Now, you will NEVER get consistency from 2 refs never mind All refs. I keep trying to educate posters, that there is a phrase in Law 12 that states "IF IN THE REFEREES OPINION" thats it.

If 1 ref thinks its a foul/caution, he will give it, on the other hand, another ref might think differently & not give it. This btw, has nothing to do with 'big 6' bias, refs like players, fans, managers etc, are just human. When people can grasp that, convos will be more interesting & not meander round & round in circles like the 'Taking the knee' thread.

This operation, will make the 'Charge Of The Light Brigade' seem like a simple military exercise.

Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 18 Dec 20 4.09pm
Originally posted by Eaglecoops I understand what you are saying. My point is there should be consistency across all referees, not one referee consistently making a poor decision. The argument in favour of consistency really doesn’t pass muster in such circumstances. When referees have to make a plethora of subjective decisions on incidents that might appear identical but are often nuanced it is understandable that the 'Consistency' debate rages. Besides, managers don't call for "Consistency" when decisions deemed controversial go in their favour.

Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 18 Dec 20 4.09pm

Originally posted by Eaglecoops

I understand what you are saying. My point is there should be consistency across all referees, not one referee consistently making a poor decision. The argument in favour of consistency really doesn’t pass muster in such circumstances.

When referees have to make a plethora of subjective decisions on incidents that might appear identical but are often nuanced it is understandable that the 'Consistency' debate rages.
Besides, managers don't call for "Consistency" when decisions deemed controversial go in their favour.

Nicholas91 The Democratic Republic of Kent 18 Dec 20 4.26pm
Originally posted by Willo His next appointment as a referee is on Boxing Day when he is in the middle for Sheff Utd v Everton. In the W.Ham game it is apparent that Coote viewed Benteke's arm movements as flailing arms across the face of opposition players and deemed the incidents as worthy of 'Yellows'. I shall watch with intense scrutiny! Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

Nicholas91

The Democratic Republic of Kent 18 Dec 20 4.26pm

Originally posted by Willo

His next appointment as a referee is on Boxing Day when he is in the middle for Sheff Utd v Everton.

In the W.Ham game it is apparent that Coote viewed Benteke's arm movements as flailing arms across the face of opposition players and deemed the incidents as worthy of 'Yellows'.

I shall watch with intense scrutiny!

Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

Gary St.Andrews Kenley 18 Dec 20 5.11pm
You can bet your life that there will be similar challenges this weekend in the Premiership where a yellow card will not be brandished.

Gary St.Andrews

Kenley 18 Dec 20 5.11pm

You can bet your life that there will be similar challenges this weekend in the Premiership where a yellow card will not be brandished.

rob1969 Banstead Surrey 18 Dec 20 7.38pm
Just annoyed that as a result of the two yellows he will miss the Liverpool game. Sure he would have been well up for it !

rob1969

Banstead Surrey 18 Dec 20 7.38pm

Just annoyed that as a result of the two yellows he will miss the Liverpool game. Sure he would have been well up for it !

doombear Too far from Selhurst Park 18 Dec 20 8.36pm
Originally posted by Nicholas91 I don't think anyone has campaigned for referees to be consistently making the same bad decisions Willo. I am sure if the resources were available we could identify 100 similar instances this season alone where a yellow card was not produced and therefore there is no consistency. Furthermore, another litmus test for consistency will be if he continues to brandish yellow cards and resultant reds for any player who jumps with a raised arm to win headers.. which I doubt. In other words there IS consistency in that it's not regarded by other refs as worthy of a yellow card. It's David Coote who's out of step with the other refs.

doombear

Too far from Selhurst Park 18 Dec 20 8.36pm

Originally posted by Nicholas91

I don't think anyone has campaigned for referees to be consistently making the same bad decisions Willo. I am sure if the resources were available we could identify 100 similar instances this season alone where a yellow card was not produced and therefore there is no consistency.

Furthermore, another litmus test for consistency will be if he continues to brandish yellow cards and resultant reds for any player who jumps with a raised arm to win headers.. which I doubt.

In other words there IS consistency in that it's not regarded by other refs as worthy of a yellow card. It's David Coote who's out of step with the other refs.

croydon proud Any european country i fancy! 18 Dec 20 10.02pm
Originally posted by Willo As the 'Red' was a result of 2 'Yellows' he is only suspended for the Liverpool game. Ah, thats good, and the villa game is on the tv on boxing day, not to bad, although i think he could have done well tomorrow.

croydon proud

Any european country i fancy! 18 Dec 20 10.02pm

Originally posted by Willo

As the 'Red' was a result of 2 'Yellows' he is only suspended for the Liverpool game.

Ah, thats good, and the villa game is on the tv on boxing day, not to bad, although i think he could have done well tomorrow.

the silurian The garden of England.(not really) 19 Dec 20 9.49am
Originally posted by Willo With respect he does not always defend the decisions. Apropos the Benteke cards, he echoed my comments about consistency shown by David Coote in brandishing cards for two identical incidents.Of course there are those who have taken umbrage at his decisions but he certainly was consistent. Can you point out an occasion when he said 'the referee was wrong'....dont think you can!!

the silurian

The garden of England.(not really) 19 Dec 20 9.49am

Originally posted by Willo

With respect he does not always defend the decisions.

Can you point out an occasion when he said 'the referee was wrong'....dont think you can!!

the silurian The garden of England.(not really) 19 Dec 20 9.52am
Originally posted by eagleman13 EC, dont get me wrong, but like you, i also understand what Willo is on about. Now, you will NEVER get consistency from 2 refs never mind All refs. I keep trying to educate posters, that there is a phrase in Law 12 that states "IF IN THE REFEREES OPINION" thats it. If 1 ref thinks its a foul/caution, he will give it, on the other hand, another ref might think differently & not give it. This btw, has nothing to do with 'big 6' bias, refs like players, fans, managers etc, are just human. When people can grasp that, convos will be more interesting & not meander round & round in circles like the 'Taking the knee' thread. they just come from a different planet...and are allowed to cheat/show bias as much as they like....watch Kane in his next match, does what Benteke did all game NEVER gets even a yellow...oh wait, he plays for a big club/is England captain Edited by the silurian (19 Dec 2020 9.54am)

the silurian

The garden of England.(not really) 19 Dec 20 9.52am

Originally posted by eagleman13

If 1 ref thinks its a foul/caution, he will give it, on the other hand, another ref might think differently & not give it. This btw, has nothing to do with 'big 6' bias, refs like players, fans, managers etc, are just human. When people can grasp that, convos will be more interesting & not meander round & round in circles like the 'Taking the knee' thread.

they just come from a different planet...and are allowed to cheat/show bias as much as they like....watch Kane in his next match, does what Benteke did all game NEVER gets even a yellow...oh wait, he plays for a big club/is England captain

Edited by the silurian (19 Dec 2020 9.54am)

Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 19 Dec 20 10.12am
Originally posted by the silurian Can you point out an occasion when he said 'the referee was wrong'....dont think you can!! I admit I don't witness every "Ref Watch". He might not have used those precise words but he doesn't always agree with the decisions on the field of play.

Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 19 Dec 20 10.12am

Originally posted by the silurian

Can you point out an occasion when he said 'the referee was wrong'....dont think you can!!

I admit I don't witness every "Ref Watch".
He might not have used those precise words but he doesn't always agree with the decisions on the field of play.

Tickled pink Cornwall 19 Dec 20 10.32am
Originally posted by Gary St.Andrews You can bet your life that there will be similar challenges this weekend in the Premiership where a yellow card will not be brandished. The trouble this ref has made for himself now is enormous, he will have to study every single jump now as every single player is going to contest every single jump knowing that he likes to get his yellows out, he is a complete twat sadly. Edited by Tickled pink (19 Dec 2020 10.33am)

Tickled pink

Cornwall 19 Dec 20 10.32am

Originally posted by Gary St.Andrews

You can bet your life that there will be similar challenges this weekend in the Premiership where a yellow card will not be brandished.

The trouble this ref has made for himself now is enormous, he will have to study every single jump now as every single player is going to contest every single jump knowing that he likes to get his yellows out, he is a complete twat sadly.

Edited by Tickled pink (19 Dec 2020 10.33am)

Tickled pink Cornwall 19 Dec 20 10.37am
Originally posted by eagleman13 EC, dont get me wrong, but like you, i also understand what Willo is on about. Now, you will NEVER get consistency from 2 refs never mind All refs. I keep trying to educate posters, that there is a phrase in Law 12 that states "IF IN THE REFEREES OPINION" thats it. If 1 ref thinks its a foul/caution, he will give it, on the other hand, another ref might think differently & not give it. This btw, has nothing to do with 'big 6' bias, refs like players, fans, managers etc, are just human. When people can grasp that, convos will be more interesting & not meander round & round in circles like the 'Taking the knee' thread. Did they use VAR on Benteke's incidents?

Tickled pink

Cornwall 19 Dec 20 10.37am

Originally posted by eagleman13

Did they use VAR on Benteke's incidents?

crystal-purley Purley 19 Dec 20 12.14pm
The yellow card can be rescinded IF the ref is minded to do that but unlikely. I saw a picture of Son jumping for a ball and his left arm is by his side and his right arm is at right angles and the elbow is pretty much in the opposition players mouth. The big question is if he can jump with one arm out then why is it the arm nearer his marker?? ps I mostly just go past the willo comments as they are designed (I believe) to wind up us mere mortals Enjoying getting up later and not having someone who knows better than me (apart from the missus of course).

crystal-purley

Purley 19 Dec 20 12.14pm

The yellow card can be rescinded IF the ref is minded to do that but unlikely.
I saw a picture of Son jumping for a ball and his left arm is by his side and his right arm is at right angles and the elbow is pretty much in the opposition players mouth. The big question is if he can jump with one arm out then why is it the arm nearer his marker??
ps I mostly just go past the willo comments as they are designed (I believe) to wind up us mere mortals

Enjoying getting up later and not having someone who knows better than me (apart from the missus of course).

Phil’s Barber Crowborough 19 Dec 20 12.16pm
Originally posted by Nicholas91 I don't think anyone has campaigned for referees to be consistently making the same bad decisions Willo. I am sure if the resources were available we could identify 100 similar instances this season alone where a yellow card was not produced and therefore there is no consistency. Furthermore, another litmus test for consistency will be if he continues to brandish yellow cards and resultant reds for any player who jumps with a raised arm to win headers.. which I doubt. Very well said! ^^^

Phil’s Barber

Crowborough 19 Dec 20 12.16pm

Originally posted by Nicholas91

Furthermore, another litmus test for consistency will be if he continues to brandish yellow cards and resultant reds for any player who jumps with a raised arm to win headers.. which I doubt.

Very well said! ^^^

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