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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 06 Dec 20 11.24pm
Originally posted by Teddy Eagle Skinhead? The ones who based their early look on Rude Boy fashion and listened almost exclusively to ska, blue beat and reggae? Black skinheads must have been confused. No. The more recent manifestations that are associated with extreme right-wing politics and neo-fascism. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 06 Dec 20 11.24pm

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

Skinhead? The ones who based their early look on Rude Boy fashion and listened almost exclusively to ska, blue beat and reggae? Black skinheads must have been confused.

No. The more recent manifestations that are associated with extreme right-wing politics and neo-fascism.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Teddy Eagle 06 Dec 20 11.30pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle No. The more recent manifestations that are associated with extreme right-wing politics and neo-fascism. OK, because the difference matters.

Teddy Eagle

06 Dec 20 11.30pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

No. The more recent manifestations that are associated with extreme right-wing politics and neo-fascism.

OK, because the difference matters.

Eaglecoops CR3 07 Dec 20 5.48am
Originally posted by Teddy Eagle [Link] Spiked summing up how most people on here feel about the situation. A well written article. No doubt the woke protagonists on here won’t feel the same way however. Football and political gestures should not go together.

Eaglecoops

CR3 07 Dec 20 5.48am

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

[Link]

Spiked summing up how most people on here feel about the situation.

A well written article. No doubt the woke protagonists on here won’t feel the same way however. Football and political gestures should not go together.

Stirlingsays 07 Dec 20 7.36am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle No. The more recent manifestations that are associated with extreme right-wing politics and neo-fascism. The far left are the least qualified to talk about their opposites. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

07 Dec 20 7.36am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

No. The more recent manifestations that are associated with extreme right-wing politics and neo-fascism.

The far left are the least qualified to talk about their opposites.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

The Dolphin 07 Dec 20 8.20am
It seems here that if we disagree with taking the knee before games then we are automatically racist in some posters eyes. I disagree with it so for those here who are shouting loudly am I a racist in your eyes?

The Dolphin

07 Dec 20 8.20am

It seems here that if we disagree with taking the knee before games then we are automatically racist in some posters eyes.
I disagree with it so for those here who are shouting loudly am I a racist in your eyes?

Matov 07 Dec 20 8.24am
Lets all make an assumption that a % of people who take the knee in this manner are doing so with zero knowledge about what BLM actually stands for but instead are doing it as a kindly gesture of solidarity over issues of racism in general. But perhaps this now causes real confusion and therefore it might be for the best if a new gesture is agreed upon which clears up any notion that this is political? "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

Matov

07 Dec 20 8.24am

Lets all make an assumption that a % of people who take the knee in this manner are doing so with zero knowledge about what BLM actually stands for but instead are doing it as a kindly gesture of solidarity over issues of racism in general.

But perhaps this now causes real confusion and therefore it might be for the best if a new gesture is agreed upon which clears up any notion that this is political?

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

dreamwaverider London 07 Dec 20 8.24am
Originally posted by Teddy Eagle [Link] Spiked summing up how most people on here feel about the situation. So I’ll say it again on here. I hope at our first game back from being banned our lot give it a good booing.

dreamwaverider

London 07 Dec 20 8.24am

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

[Link]

Spiked summing up how most people on here feel about the situation.

So I’ll say it again on here. I hope at our first game back from being banned our lot give it a good booing.

dreamwaverider London 07 Dec 20 8.28am
Originally posted by Matov Lets all make an assumption that a % of people who take the knee in this manner are doing so with zero knowledge about what BLM actually stands for but instead are doing it as a kindly gesture of solidarity over issues of racism in general. But perhaps this now causes real confusion and therefore it might be for the best if a new gesture is agreed upon which clears up any notion that this is political? The gesture as you call it is already there. It called playing football together no matter what race. Far too much is spoken about race.

dreamwaverider

London 07 Dec 20 8.28am

Originally posted by Matov

But perhaps this now causes real confusion and therefore it might be for the best if a new gesture is agreed upon which clears up any notion that this is political?

The gesture as you call it is already there. It called playing football together no matter what race. Far too much is spoken about race.

eritheagle Erith 07 Dec 20 8.44am
Originally posted by Matov Lets all make an assumption that a % of people who take the knee in this manner are doing so with zero knowledge about what BLM actually stands for but instead are doing it as a kindly gesture of solidarity over issues of racism in general. But perhaps this now causes real confusion and therefore it might be for the best if a new gesture is agreed upon which clears up any notion that this is political? Ignorance is not an excuse as if someone did an innocent gesture that was deemed offensive or racist they wouldn’t be afforded the same leniency.

eritheagle

Erith 07 Dec 20 8.44am

Originally posted by Matov

But perhaps this now causes real confusion and therefore it might be for the best if a new gesture is agreed upon which clears up any notion that this is political?

Ignorance is not an excuse as if someone did an innocent gesture that was deemed offensive or racist they wouldn’t be afforded the same leniency.

eritheagle Erith 07 Dec 20 8.46am
Originally posted by dreamwaverider The gesture as you call it is already there. It called playing football together no matter what race. Far too much is spoken about race. Exactly! Now can you tell this to SSN and Talksh1te please!

eritheagle

Erith 07 Dec 20 8.46am

Originally posted by dreamwaverider

The gesture as you call it is already there. It called playing football together no matter what race. Far too much is spoken about race.

Exactly! Now can you tell this to SSN and Talksh1te please!

Rudi Hedman Caterham 07 Dec 20 8.56am
Originally posted by The Dolphin It seems here that if we disagree with taking the knee before games then we are automatically racist in some posters eyes. I disagree with it so for those here who are shouting loudly am I a racist in your eyes? Sounds more like Blackmail Matters and is the most childish argument to a debate heard in years. Maybe ever. COYP

Rudi Hedman

Caterham 07 Dec 20 8.56am

Originally posted by The Dolphin

Sounds more like Blackmail Matters and is the most childish argument to a debate heard in years. Maybe ever.

COYP

The Dolphin 07 Dec 20 9.05am
Not really - just asking that's all. I wouldn't boo the players ever for doing it but I just do not believe it is achieving anything now that's all and I dislike being put in a box by people just for having a view - this particular issue makes those who disagree an easy target in my opinion. Like I have said previously I have been educated on a couple of things since this all blew up earlier in the year that had never even occurred to me before so that is a good outcome - certainly for me anyway and I would never have classed myself as having any bias at all.

The Dolphin

07 Dec 20 9.05am

Not really - just asking that's all.
I wouldn't boo the players ever for doing it but I just do not believe it is achieving anything now that's all and I dislike being put in a box by people just for having a view - this particular issue makes those who disagree an easy target in my opinion.
Like I have said previously I have been educated on a couple of things since this all blew up earlier in the year that had never even occurred to me before so that is a good outcome - certainly for me anyway and I would never have classed myself as having any bias at all.

DanH SW2 07 Dec 20 9.55am
There's a big difference between disagreeing with something and actively booing it.

DanH

SW2 07 Dec 20 9.55am

There's a big difference between disagreeing with something and actively booing it.

Teddy Eagle 07 Dec 20 10.04am
Originally posted by DanH There's a big difference between disagreeing with something and actively booing it. There’s also a big difference behind booing a gesture and disagreeing with the sentiment behind it.

Teddy Eagle

07 Dec 20 10.04am

Originally posted by DanH

There's a big difference between disagreeing with something and actively booing it.

There’s also a big difference behind booing a gesture and disagreeing with the sentiment behind it.

Stirlingsays 07 Dec 20 10.07am
Originally posted by DanH There's a big difference between disagreeing with something and actively booing it. So what? If you disagree with something booing is an option. If there were silence then the pro kneeling could claim everyone accepted what they didn't. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

07 Dec 20 10.07am

Originally posted by DanH

There's a big difference between disagreeing with something and actively booing it.

So what?

If you disagree with something booing is an option.

If there were silence then the pro kneeling could claim everyone accepted what they didn't.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

DanH SW2 07 Dec 20 10.18am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays So what? If you disagree with something booing is an option. If there were silence then the pro kneeling could claim everyone accepted what they didn't. True, but I choose to largely ignore your posts rather than actively boo them.

DanH

SW2 07 Dec 20 10.18am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

So what?

If you disagree with something booing is an option.

If there were silence then the pro kneeling could claim everyone accepted what they didn't.

True, but I choose to largely ignore your posts rather than actively boo them.

Badger11 Beckenham 07 Dec 20 10.19am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays So what? If you disagree with something booing is an option. If there were silence then the pro kneeling could claim everyone accepted what they didn't. Agreed otherwise you are just shutting down any opposition. It is perfectly valid to boo at football matches it's part of our culture. One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 07 Dec 20 10.19am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

So what?

If you disagree with something booing is an option.

If there were silence then the pro kneeling could claim everyone accepted what they didn't.

Agreed otherwise you are just shutting down any opposition.

It is perfectly valid to boo at football matches it's part of our culture.

One more point

DanH SW2 07 Dec 20 10.21am
Originally posted by Badger11 Agreed otherwise you are just shutting down any opposition. It is perfectly valid to boo at football matches it's part of our culture. Oh come on. Booing a refereeing decision or a sh*t performance is hardly comparable to an anti-racism gesture. Find it quite staggering some of the justifications you lot will make to yourself that what happened was OK.

DanH

SW2 07 Dec 20 10.21am

Originally posted by Badger11

Agreed otherwise you are just shutting down any opposition.

It is perfectly valid to boo at football matches it's part of our culture.

Oh come on. Booing a refereeing decision or a sh*t performance is hardly comparable to an anti-racism gesture.

Find it quite staggering some of the justifications you lot will make to yourself that what happened was OK.

Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 07 Dec 20 10.22am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays So what? If you disagree with something booing is an option. If there were silence then the pro kneeling could claim everyone accepted what they didn't. A sizeable amount of referees and players have been the subject of 'Boos' over the years! Football supporters don't have a record of remaining silent when players or officials have raised their hackles.Furthermore managers have received such treatment!

Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 07 Dec 20 10.22am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

So what?

If you disagree with something booing is an option.

If there were silence then the pro kneeling could claim everyone accepted what they didn't.

A sizeable amount of referees and players have been the subject of 'Boos' over the years!
Football supporters don't have a record of remaining silent when players or officials have raised their hackles.Furthermore managers have received such treatment!

Stirlingsays 07 Dec 20 10.26am
Originally posted by DanH True, but I choose to largely ignore your posts rather than actively boo them. Conversely I quite enjoy your posts.....a textbook, kind of innocent social liberalism. Which I usually mock...admittedly. Edited by Stirlingsays (07 Dec 2020 10.29am) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

07 Dec 20 10.26am

Originally posted by DanH

True, but I choose to largely ignore your posts rather than actively boo them.

Conversely I quite enjoy your posts.....a textbook, kind of innocent social liberalism.

Which I usually mock...admittedly.

Edited by Stirlingsays (07 Dec 2020 10.29am)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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