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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 30 Jan 22 3.41pm

Well, I, for one, am very irritated by this and somewhat perplexed.
Berkamp was supposedly responsible for setting this up with Vieira, and now he goes to Everton?

He is a lot better than Schlupp so what was not to like?

We need a fresh face in the dressing room for the sake of morale at least.

 

Spiderman Flag Horsham 30 Jan 22 3.49pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Well, I, for one, am very irritated by this and somewhat perplexed.
Berkamp was supposedly responsible for setting this up with Vieira, and now he goes to Everton?

He is a lot better than Schlupp so what was not to like?

We need a fresh face in the dressing room for the sake of morale at least.

Can’t say I disagree with you

 

sotac464 Flag Berkshire 30 Jan 22 3.59pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Well, I, for one, am very irritated by this and somewhat perplexed.
Berkamp was supposedly responsible for setting this up with Vieira, and now he goes to Everton?

He is a lot better than Schlupp so what was not to like?

We need a fresh face in the dressing room for the sake of morale at least.

Once Eveton came in it was game over, Lamparse, must have said I'll take over but I want VDB, 20 miles up the road, girlfriend is expecting too, so doesn't have to move. Also Everton paying loan fee and full wages, we only offered 85% of wages, so he didn't have a choice Man Utd would have told him where to go.

Would have been nice for 4 months, but imagine trying to replace him and Gallagher in the summer.

 


My equalibrium unbalanced me. Paul Draper Brighton 19/2/2018

silvertop Flag Portishead 30 Jan 22 4.05pm

Originally posted by sotac464

Once Eveton came in it was game over, Lamparse, must have said I'll take over but I want VDB, 20 miles up the road, girlfriend is expecting too, so doesn't have to move. Also Everton paying loan fee and full wages, we only offered 85% of wages, so he didn't have a choice Man Utd would have told him where to go.

Would have been nice for 4 months, but imagine trying to replace him and Gallagher in the summer.

I'll take that positive spin.

 

steeleye20 Flag Croydon 30 Jan 22 4.06pm

On the Palace site there was mention of Ramsey, Bamba and Mateta.

But not DVB.

Seems a big fuss about nothing to me.


 

sotac464 Flag Berkshire 30 Jan 22 4.07pm

Originally posted by silvertop

I'll take that positive spin.


It'll make you sleep tonight.

 


My equalibrium unbalanced me. Paul Draper Brighton 19/2/2018

Daddyorc Flag Atlantic Highlands, NJ 30 Jan 22 4.48pm

As I mentioned before, I'm not sure why we would want a loan for six months for anyone on high wages.

We are strong enough as is to avoid relegation, and we are not making Europe.

I understand each place in the table is about GBP 2 million, but unless we're sure he could get us a couple of places higher then we'd just be doing Man U a favour for nothing.

I'm not upset about not loaning him at all.

 

sotac464 Flag Berkshire 30 Jan 22 6.01pm

Originally posted by Daddyorc

As I mentioned before, I'm not sure why we would want a loan for six months for anyone on high wages.

We are strong enough as is to avoid relegation, and we are not making Europe.

I understand each place in the table is about GBP 2 million, but unless we're sure he could get us a couple of places higher then we'd just be doing Man U a favour for nothing.

I'm not upset about not loaning him at all.

I do agree, but the fact we could be signing someone even on loan for 4 months, who played in the champions league semi final 3 years ago, was exciting, and seeing him and Gallagher in our midfield, for 4 months only, would be the most brilliant time for me as a Palace fan for more than 30 years, even for only a short time.

 


My equalibrium unbalanced me. Paul Draper Brighton 19/2/2018

Nubes Flag London 30 Jan 22 6.18pm

I’m disappointed just for the fact that the signing or loan would’ve been a good statement of intent.

Pat would’ve had a signing over the line from his contacts - similar to Gerrard and Coutinho.

The players we brought in over the summer were targeted and worked on as part of the clubs philosophy and were identified and worked on over time.

This would’ve been a signing that the manager could only have influence over as a global name and one which could’ve added value and Panache to the midfield for the remainder of the season.

I hear Darren Ambrose on talk sport about 30 mins ago say palace fans will have a lot to be excited about in the summer regarding transfers.

 

Painter Flag Croydon 30 Jan 22 6.55pm

Originally posted by sotac464

I do agree, but the fact we could be signing someone even on loan for 4 months, who played in the champions league semi final 3 years ago, was exciting, and seeing him and Gallagher in our midfield, for 4 months only, would be the most brilliant time for me as a Palace fan for more than 30 years, even for only a short time.

Two ways of looking at it. He isnt very good otherwise, he would be in the UTD midfield, 2 managers choose not to play him. He wont be blocking our own players from progressing.

 

CPFC1965 Flag Warrington 30 Jan 22 7.59pm

If he'd done what Favre did to us then I can understand the anger, but for a 4 month loan , why would anyone unpsticks and move to London when he can stay where he's settled.

 

eagleman13 Flag On The Road To Hell & Alicante 30 Jan 22 8.30pm

Originally posted by CPFC1965

If he'd done what Favre did to us then I can understand the anger, but for a 4 month loan , why would anyone unpsticks and move to London when he can stay where he's settled.

London, Croydon & surrounding area's do have things called hotels. So, no need to 'upsticks'.

 


This operation, will make the 'Charge Of The Light Brigade' seem like a simple military exercise.

viveasheagle Flag perth 31 Jan 22 2.45am

Disappointed as well. There have been a lot of good players gone to Man U post Ferguson who have badly under performed. Probably a number of reasons for this but it sounded like he is best suited to a team playing 4x3x3 and so our shape could well have brought the best out of him. Ultimately if Everton had gone for a different manager then he would have been a Palace player.
I guess move on. Kouyate scored an imported goal in AFCON so all is not lost.

 

Eaglecoops Flag CR3 31 Jan 22 7.53am

For all the positive steps forward we have taken the last 6 months, we still tend to show a slightly smaller club mentality when it comes to getting deals over the line. To be fair I’m totally ambivalent with regard to DVdB as I’m not sure he would have been right for us but if the club really thought he was the right player then maybe trying to knock a few quid off here and there in negotiations has backfired as Everton have jumped in and offered full wages plus loan fee.

We will never know the fully story but we do appear to lose a lot of our targets to West Ham and other clubs of that ilk. I was kind of hoping we had moved on from that, maybe we will maybe we won’t, approach to transfer business. I am however pleased to hear from Darren Ambrose that there are transfer plans afoot for the summer so perhaps PV is not currently that concerned about improving our existing playing staff using expensive loans and can wait for season end.

Of course the other way of viewing this is that everything about Ramsey and DVdB was click bait and therefore we were not particularly bothered about signing them anyway, in which case I am misjudging the situation.

I think all fans like to see one or two January signings, but we all know the associated cost of business this time of year so maybe we are best out of it. We will know for certain by the end of the day anyway.

 

Dubai Eagle Flag 31 Jan 22 8.23am

I was just going to say - at £100,000. a week the cost of a nice hotel room (or suite) on a monthly rate wouldn't break the bank.

Originally posted by eagleman13

London, Croydon & surrounding area's do have things called hotels. So, no need to 'upsticks'.

 

MrRobbo Flag Chaldon 31 Jan 22 9.20am

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Well, I, for one, am very irritated by this and somewhat perplexed.
Berkamp was supposedly responsible for setting this up with Vieira, and now he goes to Everton?

He is a lot better than Schlupp so what was not to like?

We need a fresh face in the dressing room for the sake of morale at least.

Sounds like it was more that Everton were willing to throw money at the problem vs him choosing them over us.

Annoying, but it was a nice to have. Everton are also an absolute mess at the min.

Not sure moral is an issue unless I've missed anything?

 

silvertop Flag Portishead 31 Jan 22 9.53am

Originally posted by Eaglecoops

For all the positive steps forward we have taken the last 6 months, we still tend to show a slightly smaller club mentality when it comes to getting deals over the line. To be fair I’m totally ambivalent with regard to DVdB as I’m not sure he would have been right for us but if the club really thought he was the right player then maybe trying to knock a few quid off here and there in negotiations has backfired as Everton have jumped in and offered full wages plus loan fee.

We will never know the fully story but we do appear to lose a lot of our targets to West Ham and other clubs of that ilk. I was kind of hoping we had moved on from that, maybe we will maybe we won’t, approach to transfer business. I am however pleased to hear from Darren Ambrose that there are transfer plans afoot for the summer so perhaps PV is not currently that concerned about improving our existing playing staff using expensive loans and can wait for season end.

Of course the other way of viewing this is that everything about Ramsey and DVdB was click bait and therefore we were not particularly bothered about signing them anyway, in which case I am misjudging the situation.

I think all fans like to see one or two January signings, but we all know the associated cost of business this time of year so maybe we are best out of it. We will know for certain by the end of the day anyway.

I hate to break it to you but we still are.

West Ham and Everton gazump us because they have more money and are prepared to chuck as much at the seller as the seller demands.

Not necessarily a bad thing for us. We are a middling sized club run prudently on sustainable grounds. You play for us if you want first team football in the premier league and get paid well. But if you want to pull our pants down, go elsewhere.

On young Donny, would have loved him to have played for us for a bit, but it was not to be.

 

Eaglecoops Flag CR3 31 Jan 22 3.39pm

Originally posted by silvertop

I hate to break it to you but we still are.

West Ham and Everton gazump us because they have more money and are prepared to chuck as much at the seller as the seller demands.

Not necessarily a bad thing for us. We are a middling sized club run prudently on sustainable grounds. You play for us if you want first team football in the premier league and get paid well. But if you want to pull our pants down, go elsewhere.

On young Donny, would have loved him to have played for us for a bit, but it was not to be.

You are not breaking any news to me. I know exactly where we sit in the pecking order. I had rather hoped however that the shopping in Poundland approach was gone and if we were committed to a player then we’d see it through. We knew what the price was but allowed another club to take him from under our noses. If the response from our club was they wanted too much or we don’t think he is worth that much then fine however if we we have let a player of his quality go for the sake of a couple of extra £100k over 4 months then more the fool us.

He could have possibly earned us 3 additional places in the league come season end and that would have paid his wages.

 

doombear Flag Too far from Selhurst Park 31 Jan 22 4.41pm

Originally posted by Eaglecoops

You are not breaking any news to me. I know exactly where we sit in the pecking order. I had rather hoped however that the shopping in Poundland approach was gone and if we were committed to a player then we’d see it through. We knew what the price was but allowed another club to take him from under our noses. If the response from our club was they wanted too much or we don’t think he is worth that much then fine however if we we have let a player of his quality go for the sake of a couple of extra £100k over 4 months then more the fool us.

He could have possibly earned us 3 additional places in the league come season end and that would have paid his wages.


Do you really think it might be the latter? Our summer dealings suggest to me at least that the club are not going to pay silly money for short term gain. The real business will be pencilled in for this coming summer and I suspect that DF & Co are already identifying the targets they want to bring in not to mention which of the expiring contracts they wish to renew. We knew from the start of this window that it was unlikely we would do any business unless the right type of player at the right price became available. We are fortunate that we are not in desperation straits like Newcastle and Everton.

 

Black Eagle Flag Swindon 31 Jan 22 6.22pm

Originally posted by doombear


Do you really think it might be the latter? Our summer dealings suggest to me at least that the club are not going to pay silly money for short term gain. The real business will be pencilled in for this coming summer and I suspect that DF & Co are already identifying the targets they want to bring in not to mention which of the expiring contracts they wish to renew. We knew from the start of this window that it was unlikely we would do any business unless the right type of player at the right price became available. We are fortunate that we are not in desperation straits like Newcastle and Everton.

Totally agree with this and think it was the latter as you mention. His value is as much as we are willing to pay and for a position we are not screaming out for seems foolish. Maybe we'd rather splash the cash on another international star....

 

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