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Sir James Hird Mount Martha 13 Feb 22 6.14am
Edouard and Ayew are Pony and benteke and Ward are donkeys. Perhaps we should open a riding school?

Sir James Hird

Mount Martha 13 Feb 22 6.14am

Edouard and Ayew are Pony and benteke and Ward are donkeys.
Perhaps we should open a riding school?

dreamwaverider London 13 Feb 22 6.22am
Originally posted by radicalsteve It seems to me that our system and set up prevents effective transition from midfield to getting forwards and balls in to the box, or in front of the box. How many shots do we take on the edge of the box? Zero, because we cannot transition fast enough to make the space. We consistently allow the opposition to cover back. Previously our game was counter attack, but when you play out from the back, then you have to release the ball quickly into space and forwards have to be there!! Our forward players are not running into space fast enough for a quick release, so we get trapped and the momentum breaks down. That translates into a loss of consistent rhythm, so players lack the confidence to move the ball forward or take a risk and take on (and pass) an opposing player. Wilf, is a persistent offender of trying to do it all himself and cannot bring himself to release the ball fast enough. Maybe the other guys know this, so they don't run into space? In the past Wilf had to do it all himself, but now he just runs into dead ends most of the time and we lose the ball. On the right side we have to cover Wardy, because he showed again today that he is more of a liability than an asset in the modern game. Macca showed much more of an inclination when he came, on to transition, drive to the box and release the ball quickly. Olise is way better than Ayew, but he has to cover Ward and therefore has to get the ball more often than not in our own half, which gives teams time to track back and get two men on him. Love Ayew's work rate, but can't hit a barn door with a banjo (and that has been going on for a long time!). I think opposing coaches have us figured and we are SO predictable in our build up, hence we don't get the opportunities to create chances and shots on goal! very good post. So what is the solution ?

dreamwaverider

London 13 Feb 22 6.22am

Originally posted by radicalsteve

It seems to me that our system and set up prevents effective transition from midfield to getting forwards and balls in to the box, or in front of the box. How many shots do we take on the edge of the box? Zero, because we cannot transition fast enough to make the space. We consistently allow the opposition to cover back. Previously our game was counter attack, but when you play out from the back, then you have to release the ball quickly into space and forwards have to be there!! Our forward players are not running into space fast enough for a quick release, so we get trapped and the momentum breaks down. That translates into a loss of consistent rhythm, so players lack the confidence to move the ball forward or take a risk and take on (and pass) an opposing player.

Wilf, is a persistent offender of trying to do it all himself and cannot bring himself to release the ball fast enough. Maybe the other guys know this, so they don't run into space? In the past Wilf had to do it all himself, but now he just runs into dead ends most of the time and we lose the ball. On the right side we have to cover Wardy, because he showed again today that he is more of a liability than an asset in the modern game.

Macca showed much more of an inclination when he came, on to transition, drive to the box and release the ball quickly. Olise is way better than Ayew, but he has to cover Ward and therefore has to get the ball more often than not in our own half, which gives teams time to track back and get two men on him. Love Ayew's work rate, but can't hit a barn door with a banjo (and that has been going on for a long time!). I think opposing coaches have us figured and we are SO predictable in our build up, hence we don't get the opportunities to create chances and shots on goal!

very good post. So what is the solution ?

dreamwaverider London 13 Feb 22 6.36am
Originally posted by mtp1958 well it was a awful game , we have played brentford twice both games was nothing to write home about , Edouard is not the striker that alot hoped , we had alot of the ball but no final ball , we have played well in last couple of games but not winning (dont include todays game) , just put it down as a bad day at the office for both teams , Like our last 5 games?

dreamwaverider

London 13 Feb 22 6.36am

Originally posted by mtp1958

well it was a awful game , we have played brentford twice both games was nothing to write home about ,

Edouard is not the striker that alot hoped , we had alot of the ball but no final ball , we have played well in last couple of games but not winning (dont include todays game) ,

just put it down as a bad day at the office for both teams ,

Like our last 5 games?

n wales eagles llandudno 13 Feb 22 6.40am
Originally posted by Sir James Hird Edouard and Ayew are Pony and benteke and Ward are donkeys. Perhaps we should open a riding school? Totally agree should only sign players from CHELTENHAM,DERBY or THE NATIONAL league

n wales eagles

llandudno 13 Feb 22 6.40am

Originally posted by Sir James Hird

Edouard and Ayew are Pony and benteke and Ward are donkeys.
Perhaps we should open a riding school?

Totally agree should only sign players from CHELTENHAM,DERBY or THE NATIONAL league

Nubes London 13 Feb 22 6.51am
Originally posted by Gribbo Don't get too excited about the transfer window this Summer. We have no money,Connor Gallagher goes back to Chelsea and Macca will be another year older. Nketiah plus one or two other youths who are not quite ready. Darren Ambrose on talksport said two weeks ago that palace fans will be excited by the transfer window in the summer.

Nubes

London 13 Feb 22 6.51am

Originally posted by Gribbo

Don't get too excited about the transfer window this Summer. We have no money,Connor Gallagher goes back to Chelsea and Macca will be another year older.

Nketiah plus one or two other youths who are not quite ready.

Darren Ambrose on talksport said two weeks ago that palace fans will be excited by the transfer window in the summer.

Midlands Eagle 13 Feb 22 6.54am
Originally posted by Gary St.Andrews I was expecting a defeat so I am happy with a point. Why? Brentford had lost their previous five games so we should have been able to extend their losing run

Midlands Eagle

13 Feb 22 6.54am

Originally posted by Gary St.Andrews

I was expecting a defeat so I am happy with a point.

Why? Brentford had lost their previous five games so we should have been able to extend their losing run

Midlands Eagle 13 Feb 22 6.56am
Originally posted by Gribbo Don't get too excited about the transfer window this Summer. We have no money, Does Parish let you in to to all of the club's confidential financial affairs?

Midlands Eagle

13 Feb 22 6.56am

Originally posted by Gribbo

Don't get too excited about the transfer window this Summer. We have no money,

Does Parish let you in to to all of the club's confidential financial affairs?

Therealeaglestilidie 13 Feb 22 7.14am
Just viewed Patrick's post match interview and I think the good thing is that he mentioned all the things that we have all said in relation to the game including being to slow in possession. The refreshing thing is that he was not happy about the performance and did not try to sugar coat it. I'm so Palace I don't even know it

Therealeaglestilidie

13 Feb 22 7.14am

Just viewed Patrick's post match interview and I think the good thing is that he mentioned all the things that we have all said in relation to the game including being to slow in possession.

The refreshing thing is that he was not happy about the performance and did not try to sugar coat it.

I'm so Palace I don't even know it

YT Oxford 13 Feb 22 7.39am
Originally posted by n wales eagles Totally agree should only sign players from CHELTENHAM,DERBY or THE NATIONAL league Lol. Could we stretch to signings from THE SADDLERS (Walsall FC)? Or MANE from Liverpool? Palace since 19 August 1972. Palace 1 (Tony Taylor) Liverpool 1 (Emlyn Hughes)

Oxford 13 Feb 22 7.39am

Originally posted by n wales eagles

Totally agree should only sign players from CHELTENHAM,DERBY or THE NATIONAL league

Lol.

Could we stretch to signings from THE SADDLERS (Walsall FC)? Or MANE from Liverpool?

Palace since 19 August 1972. Palace 1 (Tony Taylor) Liverpool 1 (Emlyn Hughes)

Gary St.Andrews Kenley 13 Feb 22 7.45am
Originally posted by Midlands Eagle Why? Brentford had lost their previous five games so we should have been able to extend their losing run Because we have always got a mistake in us, Geuhi nearly got caught out with that hand ball thing again like he did at Leeds in injury time. I said in my prediction it would be like the Norwich game, but a bit worse and true to form it was. It’s a shame our best chance fell to Ayew and he blasted wide when well placed. Still we have a free hit against Chelsea next! Any consolation I thought that was a foul on Zaha, their defender clearly had both hands around him pulling him back. Edited by Gary St.Andrews (13 Feb 2022 7.47am)

Gary St.Andrews

Kenley 13 Feb 22 7.45am

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

Why? Brentford had lost their previous five games so we should have been able to extend their losing run

Because we have always got a mistake in us, Geuhi nearly got caught out with that hand ball thing again like he did at Leeds in injury time. I said in my prediction it would be like the Norwich game, but a bit worse and true to form it was.

It’s a shame our best chance fell to Ayew and he blasted wide when well placed. Still we have a free hit against Chelsea next!

Any consolation I thought that was a foul on Zaha, their defender clearly had both hands around him pulling him back.

Edited by Gary St.Andrews (13 Feb 2022 7.47am)

Oddball2021 Adelaide 13 Feb 22 8.35am
Best front 3 is Eduard Mateta and Olise but as another poster has said Olise needs a better RB than Ward to unleash his flair. Good to see MacArthur back

Oddball2021

Adelaide 13 Feb 22 8.35am

Best front 3 is Eduard Mateta and Olise but as another poster has said Olise needs a better RB than Ward to unleash his flair. Good to see MacArthur back

dreamwaverider London 13 Feb 22 9.21am
All this talk of protecting Ward is wrong. If football at Palace has come to not playing our best talented player because our right back is too poor then we may as well go back to Roy ball. I would rather pay to watch Olise do his magic than Ayew defend. Olise is on a different level and if we are going to progress as a club he should be starting every game. This defensive talk and playing Ayew over Olise is a bloody joke.

dreamwaverider

London 13 Feb 22 9.21am

All this talk of protecting Ward is wrong. If football at Palace has come to not playing our best talented player because our right back is too poor then we may as well go back to Roy ball.
I would rather pay to watch Olise do his magic than Ayew defend. Olise is on a different level and if we are going to progress as a club he should be starting every game.
This defensive talk and playing Ayew over Olise is a bloody joke.

dreamwaverider London 13 Feb 22 9.25am
Originally posted by dreamwaverider All this talk of protecting Ward is wrong. If football at Palace has come to not playing our best talented player because our right back is too poor then we may as well go back to Roy ball. I would rather pay to watch Olise do his magic than Ayew defend. Olise is on a different level and if we are going to progress as a club he should be starting every game. This defensive talk and playing Ayew over Olise is a bloody joke. Besides which, Ward was no better yesterday than at Norwich. So why is Ayew helping. If we really want Ayew for his heart then stick him in the middle as striker.

dreamwaverider

London 13 Feb 22 9.25am

Originally posted by dreamwaverider

Besides which, Ward was no better yesterday than at Norwich. So why is Ayew helping. If we really want Ayew for his heart then stick him in the middle as striker.

i_8_clowns Dorset 13 Feb 22 9.28am
Originally posted by thetopgeezer [Link] Thanks very much mate for posting this link! Shame the game was shocking as the link worked a treat!

i_8_clowns

Dorset 13 Feb 22 9.28am

Originally posted by thetopgeezer

[Link]

Thanks very much mate for posting this link!

Shame the game was shocking as the link worked a treat!

Badger11 Beckenham 13 Feb 22 10.15am
Originally posted by Gary St.Andrews Because we have always got a mistake in us, Geuhi nearly got caught out with that hand ball thing again like he did at Leeds in injury time. I said in my prediction it would be like the Norwich game, but a bit worse and true to form it was. It’s a shame our best chance fell to Ayew and he blasted wide when well placed. Still we have a free hit against Chelsea next! Any consolation I thought that was a foul on Zaha, their defender clearly had both hands around him pulling him back. Edited by Gary St.Andrews (13 Feb 2022 7.47am) Didn't see the game only MOTD what on earth was Guehi doing with his hand up. I think CG told him that, we were lucky not to give away a penalty. Edited by Badger11 (13 Feb 2022 10.15am) One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 13 Feb 22 10.15am

Originally posted by Gary St.Andrews

Because we have always got a mistake in us, Geuhi nearly got caught out with that hand ball thing again like he did at Leeds in injury time. I said in my prediction it would be like the Norwich game, but a bit worse and true to form it was.

It’s a shame our best chance fell to Ayew and he blasted wide when well placed. Still we have a free hit against Chelsea next!

Any consolation I thought that was a foul on Zaha, their defender clearly had both hands around him pulling him back.

Edited by Gary St.Andrews (13 Feb 2022 7.47am)

Didn't see the game only MOTD what on earth was Guehi doing with his hand up. I think CG told him that, we were lucky not to give away a penalty.

Edited by Badger11 (13 Feb 2022 10.15am)

One more point

peterg Anerley 13 Feb 22 10.22am
Yes, I thought the Guehi pen call could have gone the other way, and was worried that VAR looked at it for quite a long time. But why was the pen call for the foul on Wilf at the end dismissed so quickly? It was far more of a pen than the notorious Liverpool pen that Friend and Lawson gave. They looked at the incident about 20 times before giving it. Surely the Wilf incident was worth more than cursory look? It was certainly one of those that would have been given as a foul anywhere else on the pitch. Maybe the ref was so p*ssed off with Wilf's moaning previously that he wasn't going to give him anything in the area, no matter how blatant. Edited by peterg (13 Feb 2022 11.58am) The right place at the right time

peterg

Anerley 13 Feb 22 10.22am

Yes, I thought the Guehi pen call could have gone the other way, and was worried that VAR looked at it for quite a long time. But why was the pen call for the foul on Wilf at the end dismissed so quickly? It was far more of a pen than the notorious Liverpool pen that Friend and Lawson gave. They looked at the incident about 20 times before giving it. Surely the Wilf incident was worth more than cursory look? It was certainly one of those that would have been given as a foul anywhere else on the pitch. Maybe the ref was so p*ssed off with Wilf's moaning previously that he wasn't going to give him anything in the area, no matter how blatant.

Edited by peterg (13 Feb 2022 11.58am)

The right place at the right time

peterg Anerley 13 Feb 22 10.31am
Just watched the Wilf pen incident again. Looks 100% to me and I cannot believe that VAR dismissed it so quickly. The right place at the right time

peterg

Anerley 13 Feb 22 10.31am

Just watched the Wilf pen incident again. Looks 100% to me and I cannot believe that VAR dismissed it so quickly.

The right place at the right time

Den1923 13 Feb 22 10.34am
Originally posted by peterg Just watched the Wilf pen incident again. Looks 100% to me and I cannot believe that VAR dismissed it so quickly. If your correct then the one against us for handball was the same, so it evens itself out!

Den1923

13 Feb 22 10.34am

Originally posted by peterg

Just watched the Wilf pen incident again. Looks 100% to me and I cannot believe that VAR dismissed it so quickly.

If your correct then the one against us for handball was the same, so it evens itself out!

NEILLO Shoreham-by-Sea 13 Feb 22 10.38am
That was as poor a game I've seen at Premier Level. Plenty of effort from both sides but a real lack of quality. We played our best football when Jimmy Mac came on. I think Palace have two inherent problems at the moment when it comes to the possession based game. Firstly, we don't move the ball quickly enough on the right side. I love Joel Ward, and overall he's had a better season than I thought he would playing the way we do. But his distribution has never been his strong point. Introduce Ayew into the equation, a player that likes to have the ball at his feet and doesn't look to move it on at pace, and everything slows down. On the other flank, we have a terrific defender in Tyrick Mitchell who is also capable of finding space going forward. But....he seems incapable of taking players on. Too often his involvement will result in a short backwards pass, losing any momentum built up. Having established the style he wants to play, the next step for PV is to be provided with the players that can best perform it. That is still very much work in progress. Old, Ungifted and White

NEILLO

Shoreham-by-Sea 13 Feb 22 10.38am

That was as poor a game I've seen at Premier Level.

Plenty of effort from both sides but a real lack of quality.

We played our best football when Jimmy Mac came on.

I think Palace have two inherent problems at the moment when it comes to the possession based game.

Firstly, we don't move the ball quickly enough on the right side. I love Joel Ward, and overall he's had a better season than I thought he would playing the way we do. But his distribution has never been his strong point. Introduce Ayew into the equation, a player that likes to have the ball at his feet and doesn't look to move it on at pace, and everything slows down.

On the other flank, we have a terrific defender in Tyrick Mitchell who is also capable of finding space going forward. But....he seems incapable of taking players on. Too often his involvement will result in a short backwards pass, losing any momentum built up.

Having established the style he wants to play, the next step for PV is to be provided with the players that can best perform it. That is still very much work in progress.

Old, Ungifted and White

Booted Eagle Bristol 13 Feb 22 11.12am
Originally posted by peterg Yes, I thought the Andersen pen call could have gone the other way, and was worried that VAR looked at it for quite a long time. But why was the pen call for the foul on Wilf at the end dismissed so quickly? It was far more of a pen than the notorious Liverpool pen that Friend and Lawson gave. They looked at the incident about 20 times before giving it. Surely the Wilf incident was worth more than cursory look? It was certainly one of those that would have been given as a foul anywhere else on the pitch. Maybe the ref was so p*ssed off with Wilf's moaning previously that he wasn't going to give him anything in the area, no matter how blatant. As summed up on MotD VAR decisions more interesting than all of the on field action. We seem to be struggling up top at the moment unlike similar teams to us such as Southampton and the Weed. They both seemed to be moving the ball much quicker than us yesterday. PV hinted at this after the match so let's hope for an improvement, otherwise I cannot see us above 15th come the end of the season. COYP !! Edited by Booted Eagle (13 Feb 2022 11.14am) “ [T]here are known knowns; there are things we know that we know.There are known unknowns; that is to say there are things that, we now know we don't know.But there are also unknown unknowns – there are things we do not know we don't know. ” —United States Secretary of Defense, Donald Rumsfeld

Booted Eagle

Bristol 13 Feb 22 11.12am

Originally posted by peterg

Yes, I thought the Andersen pen call could have gone the other way, and was worried that VAR looked at it for quite a long time. But why was the pen call for the foul on Wilf at the end dismissed so quickly? It was far more of a pen than the notorious Liverpool pen that Friend and Lawson gave. They looked at the incident about 20 times before giving it. Surely the Wilf incident was worth more than cursory look? It was certainly one of those that would have been given as a foul anywhere else on the pitch. Maybe the ref was so p*ssed off with Wilf's moaning previously that he wasn't going to give him anything in the area, no matter how blatant.

As summed up on MotD VAR decisions more interesting than all of the on field action. We seem to be struggling up top at the moment unlike similar teams to us such as Southampton and the Weed. They both seemed to be moving the ball much quicker than us yesterday. PV hinted at this after the match so let's hope for an improvement, otherwise I cannot see us above 15th come the end of the season. COYP !!

Edited by Booted Eagle (13 Feb 2022 11.14am)

“ [T]here are known knowns; there are things we know that we know.There are known unknowns; that is to say there are things that, we now know we don't know.But there are also unknown unknowns – there are things we do not know we don't know. ”
—United States Secretary of Defense, Donald Rumsfeld

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