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Penge Eagle Beckenham 01 Feb 19 12.41pm
Originally posted by silvertop PS Hamas - who ranked them no3 terrorists? Was it the US by chance? Is this the same Hamas that was duly elected through verified democratic process to govern? Once again, is "terrorist" an accurate term for a UN-sanctioned legitimate government? Obviously, they are far from angels, much of their activity probably does fall under the definition of "terrorism" and I would rather a secular, moderate liberal government in place. However, which Palestinian occupier of the Strip is going to vote for a government perceived as weak and who they would associate with the West that blindly supports their oppressor? Would you? No, this appears to be a label that neatly suits Israel and the US. On which, 0M! Really? A drop in the Ocean compared to the money supplied to Israel by the US. Hardly fair given the rich oppresses and the poor are oppressed. I have no easy solution for this complex conundrum and I want Israel to prosper in peace. However, the one source of this problem is the unbending support of the American Christian right for Israel. Less of that and maybe Israel can find a more intelligent solution that doesn't involve keeping their boot permanently on the Palestinian head. It is one of the primary causes of tension in the region; the other being the schism in which Iran plays only one part. The Forbes article – which I linked to – ranked Hamas No.3 richest in the world behind the Taliban. Again, you are using 'whataboutery' with regards to what the US gives Israel in military aid. We have been talking about the evil Iranian regime and keeping them in check or they will destabilise the whole region – it's not just about a beef with Israel. "Hardly fair given the rich oppresses and the poor are oppressed." That's straight out of the Communist Manifesto! Do you not think that IF Iran got a nuke, there would not be a nuclear arms race in the region? We are supposed to be decreasing nuclear weapons and not increasing. I'm sure you would agree that it wouldn't be a good idea for Saudi Arabia to have nuclear weapons. Israel are well in range of Iran, Syria, Hezbollah and Hamas – yet they are the oppressors? Unlike South Korea, they have not asked for one US soldier to protect them. The defence assistance is not only morally right but is spent back in the US economy with US-made hardware and the countries work together to develop improved weaponry and security. And that ultimately helps the UK defence and NATO because the US and Israel are allies of ours – NOT Iran. Edited by Penge Eagle (01 Feb 2019 12.57pm)

Penge Eagle

Beckenham 01 Feb 19 12.41pm

Originally posted by silvertop

PS Hamas - who ranked them no3 terrorists? Was it the US by chance? Is this the same Hamas that was duly elected through verified democratic process to govern? Once again, is "terrorist" an accurate term for a UN-sanctioned legitimate government? Obviously, they are far from angels, much of their activity probably does fall under the definition of "terrorism" and I would rather a secular, moderate liberal government in place. However, which Palestinian occupier of the Strip is going to vote for a government perceived as weak and who they would associate with the West that blindly supports their oppressor? Would you? No, this appears to be a label that neatly suits Israel and the US.

On which, 0M! Really? A drop in the Ocean compared to the money supplied to Israel by the US. Hardly fair given the rich oppresses and the poor are oppressed.

I have no easy solution for this complex conundrum and I want Israel to prosper in peace. However, the one source of this problem is the unbending support of the American Christian right for Israel. Less of that and maybe Israel can find a more intelligent solution that doesn't involve keeping their boot permanently on the Palestinian head. It is one of the primary causes of tension in the region; the other being the schism in which Iran plays only one part.

The Forbes article – which I linked to – ranked Hamas No.3 richest in the world behind the Taliban.

Again, you are using 'whataboutery' with regards to what the US gives Israel in military aid. We have been talking about the evil Iranian regime and keeping them in check or they will destabilise the whole region – it's not just about a beef with Israel.

"Hardly fair given the rich oppresses and the poor are oppressed." That's straight out of the Communist Manifesto!

Do you not think that IF Iran got a nuke, there would not be a nuclear arms race in the region? We are supposed to be decreasing nuclear weapons and not increasing. I'm sure you would agree that it wouldn't be a good idea for Saudi Arabia to have nuclear weapons.

Israel are well in range of Iran, Syria, Hezbollah and Hamas – yet they are the oppressors? Unlike South Korea, they have not asked for one US soldier to protect them. The defence assistance is not only morally right but is spent back in the US economy with US-made hardware and the countries work together to develop improved weaponry and security. And that ultimately helps the UK defence and NATO because the US and Israel are allies of ours – NOT Iran.

Edited by Penge Eagle (01 Feb 2019 12.57pm)

silvertop Portishead 04 Feb 19 10.45am
Originally posted by Penge Eagle I said: "Iran is the largest state sponsor of terrorism in the world". The richest terrorist group in the world with an annual income of 1.1 billion dollars is Hizballah. This Lebanese group is funded by Iran and has seen its money increased (from 200m dollars) after sanctions were lifted by Obama. "The organization’s worldwide crime operation extends from South America, through Africa, Europe, the Far East, Australia and the Middle East." They are also biggest annual funder of Hamas (ranked no.3) with 700m dollars. [Link] A list of Iran and state-sponsored terrorism attacks in other countries: [Link] Edited by Penge Eagle (31 Jan 2019 11.25am) Hamas? It is an elected government! And Forbes? The vast wholly "impartial" US media giant that takes its lead from the US State Department... which takes us full circle to the beginning of this little chat. The US has backed innumerable despotic states (e.g Iran pre-revolution) and terrorist organisations who they conveniently rename "freedom fighters". Iran is no worse and no better than many countries they back. So you have to ask yourself: why the disproportionate treatment? The answer is not that it is the biggest "state sponsor of terrorism". That is an excuse to justify a wholly lop-sided support of Israel and our wealthy middle east partners who are fighting on the other side of the proxy war.

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Portishead 04 Feb 19 10.45am

Originally posted by Penge Eagle

I said: "Iran is the largest state sponsor of terrorism in the world".

The richest terrorist group in the world with an annual income of 1.1 billion dollars is Hizballah. This Lebanese group is funded by Iran and has seen its money increased (from 200m dollars) after sanctions were lifted by Obama.

"The organization’s worldwide crime operation extends from South America, through Africa, Europe, the Far East, Australia and the Middle East."

They are also biggest annual funder of Hamas (ranked no.3) with 700m dollars. [Link]

A list of Iran and state-sponsored terrorism attacks in other countries: [Link]

Edited by Penge Eagle (31 Jan 2019 11.25am)

Hamas? It is an elected government!

And Forbes? The vast wholly "impartial" US media giant that takes its lead from the US State Department... which takes us full circle to the beginning of this little chat.

The US has backed innumerable despotic states (e.g Iran pre-revolution) and terrorist organisations who they conveniently rename "freedom fighters". Iran is no worse and no better than many countries they back. So you have to ask yourself: why the disproportionate treatment? The answer is not that it is the biggest "state sponsor of terrorism". That is an excuse to justify a wholly lop-sided support of Israel and our wealthy middle east partners who are fighting on the other side of the proxy war.

Penge Eagle Beckenham 04 Feb 19 11.07am
Originally posted by silvertop Hamas? It is an elected government! And Forbes? The vast wholly "impartial" US media giant that takes its lead from the US State Department... which takes us full circle to the beginning of this little chat. The US has backed innumerable despotic states (e.g Iran pre-revolution) and terrorist organisations who they conveniently rename "freedom fighters". Iran is no worse and no better than many countries they back. So you have to ask yourself: why the disproportionate treatment? The answer is not that it is the biggest "state sponsor of terrorism". That is an excuse to justify a wholly lop-sided support of Israel and our wealthy middle east partners who are fighting on the other side of the proxy war. It IS the biggest state sponsor of terrorism and I have proved with evidence. That's the same data across the whole internet. Where is your information to disprove it? You don't have any! I should be surprised that you would rather take sides with an evil dictatorship that not only threatens its neighbours and subsidises global terrorism, but oppresses and kills its own people over the USA. But you're a textbook leftist, so I'm not.

Penge Eagle

Beckenham 04 Feb 19 11.07am

Originally posted by silvertop

Hamas? It is an elected government!

And Forbes? The vast wholly "impartial" US media giant that takes its lead from the US State Department... which takes us full circle to the beginning of this little chat.

It IS the biggest state sponsor of terrorism and I have proved with evidence. That's the same data across the whole internet. Where is your information to disprove it? You don't have any!

I should be surprised that you would rather take sides with an evil dictatorship that not only threatens its neighbours and subsidises global terrorism, but oppresses and kills its own people over the USA. But you're a textbook leftist, so I'm not.

steeleye20 Croydon 04 Feb 19 11.21am
Originally posted by Penge Eagle It IS the biggest state sponsor of terrorism and I have proved with evidence. That's the same data across the whole internet. Where is your information to disprove it? You don't have any! I should be surprised that you would rather take sides with an evil dictatorship that not only threatens its neighbours and subsidises global terrorism, but oppresses and kills its own people over the USA. But you're a textbook leftist, so I'm not. I am afraid if you are an entirely innocent resident of Libya, Syria Yemen you don't have much choice in who bombs you, starves you or leaves your environment devastated. To our shame it will probably have been backed by the UK and certainly the USA, whilst denying it, and probably carried out by them too.

steeleye20

Croydon 04 Feb 19 11.21am

Originally posted by Penge Eagle

It IS the biggest state sponsor of terrorism and I have proved with evidence. That's the same data across the whole internet. Where is your information to disprove it? You don't have any!

I am afraid if you are an entirely innocent resident of Libya, Syria Yemen you don't have much choice in who bombs you, starves you or leaves your environment devastated.

To our shame it will probably have been backed by the UK and certainly the USA, whilst denying it, and probably carried out by them too.

Penge Eagle Beckenham 04 Feb 19 11.25am
Originally posted by steeleye20 I am afraid if you are an entirely innocent resident of Libya, Syria Yemen you don't have much choice in who bombs you, starves you or leaves your environment devastated. To our shame it will probably have been backed by the UK and certainly the USA, whilst denying it, and probably carried out by them too. We have specifically been talking about Trump and the Iran nuclear deal. What you mention are separate issues to this and more 'whataboutery'.

Penge Eagle

Beckenham 04 Feb 19 11.25am

Originally posted by steeleye20

I am afraid if you are an entirely innocent resident of Libya, Syria Yemen you don't have much choice in who bombs you, starves you or leaves your environment devastated.

To our shame it will probably have been backed by the UK and certainly the USA, whilst denying it, and probably carried out by them too.

We have specifically been talking about Trump and the Iran nuclear deal. What you mention are separate issues to this and more 'whataboutery'.

steeleye20 Croydon 04 Feb 19 11.35am
Originally posted by Penge Eagle We have specifically been talking about Trump and the Iran nuclear deal. What you mention are separate issues to this and more 'whataboutery'. Well when being bombed I am choosy, much prefer Iran. Keep to their side of the bargain, something the USA and its puppet could never do...……

steeleye20

Croydon 04 Feb 19 11.35am

Originally posted by Penge Eagle

We have specifically been talking about Trump and the Iran nuclear deal. What you mention are separate issues to this and more 'whataboutery'.

Well when being bombed I am choosy, much prefer Iran.

Keep to their side of the bargain, something the USA and its puppet could never do...……

Stirlingsays 04 Feb 19 11.43am
Originally posted by steeleye20 I am afraid if you are an entirely innocent resident of Libya, Syria Yemen you don't have much choice in who bombs you, starves you or leaves your environment devastated. To our shame it will probably have been backed by the UK and certainly the USA, whilst denying it, and probably carried out by them too. This is true.....though I feel no shame, you can if you want to. The inherent unfairness of life isn't to my shame. The leaders of these countries are responsible for the path that their peoples go down. But is the common man in the street who wants to get on in any way responsible for their global political situation.....Unless they are politically involved...nope.....that much we can agree on. Edited by Stirlingsays (04 Feb 2019 11.44am) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

04 Feb 19 11.43am

Originally posted by steeleye20

I am afraid if you are an entirely innocent resident of Libya, Syria Yemen you don't have much choice in who bombs you, starves you or leaves your environment devastated.

To our shame it will probably have been backed by the UK and certainly the USA, whilst denying it, and probably carried out by them too.

This is true.....though I feel no shame, you can if you want to.

The inherent unfairness of life isn't to my shame. The leaders of these countries are responsible for the path that their peoples go down.

But is the common man in the street who wants to get on in any way responsible for their global political situation.....Unless they are politically involved...nope.....that much we can agree on.

Edited by Stirlingsays (04 Feb 2019 11.44am)

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silvertop Portishead 04 Feb 19 4.15pm
Originally posted by Penge Eagle It IS the biggest state sponsor of terrorism and I have proved with evidence. That's the same data across the whole internet. Where is your information to disprove it? You don't have any! I should be surprised that you would rather take sides with an evil dictatorship that not only threatens its neighbours and subsidises global terrorism, but oppresses and kills its own people over the USA. But you're a textbook leftist, so I'm not. Nope, I'm not actually leftist. And I am aware that Iran is not on Amnesty International's "nice" list. I am, on the other hand, sick of the hypocritical anti-Iranian bollox spouted out by the west who then back even worse (or at least just as bad) states in Saudi Arabia and UAE and facilitate Israel to behave badly with impunity. I would have thought the existence and actions of AQ and ISIS and the current crisis in Yemen would be all the evidence I would need for this. And what has Hezbollah and Iran been doing in Iraq and Syria in recent times? In your words, destablising the region. Possibly. However, they have also been fighting ISIS. Not remote bombing, but close quarter hand-to-hand stuff. In any other world they would be the enemy of my enemy. In a US dominated one, they remain pariahs. God forbid we upset Israel. Largest state sponsor of terrorism my a*se.

silvertop

Portishead 04 Feb 19 4.15pm

Originally posted by Penge Eagle

It IS the biggest state sponsor of terrorism and I have proved with evidence. That's the same data across the whole internet. Where is your information to disprove it? You don't have any!

Nope, I'm not actually leftist. And I am aware that Iran is not on Amnesty International's "nice" list. I am, on the other hand, sick of the hypocritical anti-Iranian bollox spouted out by the west who then back even worse (or at least just as bad) states in Saudi Arabia and UAE and facilitate Israel to behave badly with impunity.

I would have thought the existence and actions of AQ and ISIS and the current crisis in Yemen would be all the evidence I would need for this.

And what has Hezbollah and Iran been doing in Iraq and Syria in recent times? In your words, destablising the region. Possibly. However, they have also been fighting ISIS. Not remote bombing, but close quarter hand-to-hand stuff. In any other world they would be the enemy of my enemy. In a US dominated one, they remain pariahs. God forbid we upset Israel.

Largest state sponsor of terrorism my a*se.

Penge Eagle Beckenham 04 Feb 19 5.41pm
Originally posted by silvertop Nope, I'm not actually leftist. And I am aware that Iran is not on Amnesty International's "nice" list. I am, on the other hand, sick of the hypocritical anti-Iranian bollox spouted out by the west who then back even worse (or at least just as bad) states in Saudi Arabia and UAE and facilitate Israel to behave badly with impunity. I would have thought the existence and actions of AQ and ISIS and the current crisis in Yemen would be all the evidence I would need for this. And what has Hezbollah and Iran been doing in Iraq and Syria in recent times? In your words, destablising the region. Possibly. However, they have also been fighting ISIS. Not remote bombing, but close quarter hand-to-hand stuff. In any other world they would be the enemy of my enemy. In a US dominated one, they remain pariahs. God forbid we upset Israel. Largest state sponsor of terrorism my a*se. Well all your posts are left leaning. And also lack facts and evidence. So because Saudi Arabia is "at least just as bad" a state, that means the US should let Iran put motions in place to build a nuclear weapon? And to hell with the fall-out. That's such a weak argument. Pariahs? It's pretty shocking that you're a sympathiser of the Iranian regime.

Penge Eagle

Beckenham 04 Feb 19 5.41pm

Originally posted by silvertop

I would have thought the existence and actions of AQ and ISIS and the current crisis in Yemen would be all the evidence I would need for this.

Largest state sponsor of terrorism my a*se.

Well all your posts are left leaning. And also lack facts and evidence.

So because Saudi Arabia is "at least just as bad" a state, that means the US should let Iran put motions in place to build a nuclear weapon? And to hell with the fall-out. That's such a weak argument. Pariahs? It's pretty shocking that you're a sympathiser of the Iranian regime.

Stirlingsays 04 Feb 19 5.56pm
Originally posted by silvertop Nope, I'm not actually leftist. Interesting....ok which policies do you differ on with the left? Originally posted by silvertop And I am aware that Iran is not on Amnesty International's "nice" list. I am, on the other hand, sick of the hypocritical anti-Iranian bollox spouted out by the west who then back even worse (or at least just as bad) states in Saudi Arabia and UAE and facilitate Israel to behave badly with impunity. This is in western interest.....why exactly is that hypocritical? Originally posted by silvertop I would have thought the existence and actions of AQ and ISIS and the current crisis in Yemen would be all the evidence I would need for this. Are you seriously suggesting that the west are to blame for radical Islamic extremism? We would have it regardless. Are you aware of how it started? You could read the 'The Looming Tower' on this topic. As for Yemen.....I'm not exactly sure that the argument that the west and the house of Saudi is one big happy family is an accurate one...it's an arrangement of convenience for both. Originally posted by silvertop And what has Hezbollah and Iran been doing in Iraq and Syria in recent times? In your words, destablising the region. Possibly. However, they have also been fighting ISIS. Not remote bombing, but close quarter hand-to-hand stuff. In any other world they would be the enemy of my enemy. In a US dominated one, they remain pariahs. God forbid we upset Israel. Largest state sponsor of terrorism my a*se. These guys are happy to support IS when they fight the west so....So what you say there is a bit off centre. I get it that you dislike Israel.....but like before....What exactly would you be doing about Israel? Israel is western facing.....Gays aren't in fear of their lives in Israel, you can practice your religion or have none at all in Israel without fear of death.....Women aren't forced to adhere to religious orders.....Essentially it's Jews from Europe in the middle east.....What are you suggesting....lets entertain the thought even though we couldn't do it.......What should be done....just give Israel to the Arabs and deport the Jews back to Europe? Or should we step back and stop supplying the Jews with weapons and watch while the whole region explodes into a blood bath? Edited by Stirlingsays (04 Feb 2019 5.59pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

04 Feb 19 5.56pm

Originally posted by silvertop

Nope, I'm not actually leftist.

Interesting....ok which policies do you differ on with the left?

Originally posted by silvertop

And I am aware that Iran is not on Amnesty International's "nice" list. I am, on the other hand, sick of the hypocritical anti-Iranian bollox spouted out by the west who then back even worse (or at least just as bad) states in Saudi Arabia and UAE and facilitate Israel to behave badly with impunity.

This is in western interest.....why exactly is that hypocritical?

Originally posted by silvertop

I would have thought the existence and actions of AQ and ISIS and the current crisis in Yemen would be all the evidence I would need for this.

Are you seriously suggesting that the west are to blame for radical Islamic extremism? We would have it regardless. Are you aware of how it started? You could read the 'The Looming Tower' on this topic.

As for Yemen.....I'm not exactly sure that the argument that the west and the house of Saudi is one big happy family is an accurate one...it's an arrangement of convenience for both.

Originally posted by silvertop

Largest state sponsor of terrorism my a*se.

These guys are happy to support IS when they fight the west so....So what you say there is a bit off centre.

I get it that you dislike Israel.....but like before....What exactly would you be doing about Israel?

Israel is western facing.....Gays aren't in fear of their lives in Israel, you can practice your religion or have none at all in Israel without fear of death.....Women aren't forced to adhere to religious orders.....Essentially it's Jews from Europe in the middle east.....What are you suggesting....lets entertain the thought even though we couldn't do it.......What should be done....just give Israel to the Arabs and deport the Jews back to Europe?

Or should we step back and stop supplying the Jews with weapons and watch while the whole region explodes into a blood bath?

Edited by Stirlingsays (04 Feb 2019 5.59pm)

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silvertop Portishead 06 Feb 19 9.49am
Originally posted by Penge Eagle Well all your posts are left leaning. And also lack facts and evidence. So because Saudi Arabia is "at least just as bad" a state, that means the US should let Iran put motions in place to build a nuclear weapon? And to hell with the fall-out. That's such a weak argument. Pariahs? It's pretty shocking that you're a sympathiser of the Iranian regime. I have made my point pretty clear about Iran. It's horrible. However, it is not worse than other countries. However, if you trace the thread back, you will see that all I said was that the US attack Iran for reasons that have nothing whatever to do with its alleged nuclear ambitions (which his own people say is rubbish) or poor human rights record. On that, since when has being nice had anything to do with what side we support? The US and indeed the UK have been supporting despotic regimes since forever. Were not Thatcher and Pinochet best of buddies? On political leaning, are you saying that those who support human rights and fairness are leftist; and those who support hard line despotic rule are rightist?

silvertop

Portishead 06 Feb 19 9.49am

Originally posted by Penge Eagle

Well all your posts are left leaning. And also lack facts and evidence.

I have made my point pretty clear about Iran. It's horrible. However, it is not worse than other countries.

However, if you trace the thread back, you will see that all I said was that the US attack Iran for reasons that have nothing whatever to do with its alleged nuclear ambitions (which his own people say is rubbish) or poor human rights record.

On that, since when has being nice had anything to do with what side we support? The US and indeed the UK have been supporting despotic regimes since forever. Were not Thatcher and Pinochet best of buddies?

On political leaning, are you saying that those who support human rights and fairness are leftist; and those who support hard line despotic rule are rightist?

steeleye20 Croydon 06 Feb 19 10.28am
I am surprised that the President of Mexico doesn't petition Trump to build the wall immediately. The last thing you need in South America is for the yanks to impose military dictatorship upon you, as has happened so often. Yankee stay home por favor.......

steeleye20

Croydon 06 Feb 19 10.28am

I am surprised that the President of Mexico doesn't petition Trump to build the wall immediately.

The last thing you need in South America is for the yanks to impose military dictatorship upon you, as has happened so often.

Yankee stay home por favor.......

Penge Eagle Beckenham 06 Feb 19 11.17am
Originally posted by silvertop I have made my point pretty clear about Iran. It's horrible. However, it is not worse than other countries. However, if you trace the thread back, you will see that all I said was that the US attack Iran for reasons that have nothing whatever to do with its alleged nuclear ambitions (which his own people say is rubbish) or poor human rights record. On that, since when has being nice had anything to do with what side we support? The US and indeed the UK have been supporting despotic regimes since forever. Were not Thatcher and Pinochet best of buddies? On political leaning, are you saying that those who support human rights and fairness are leftist; and those who support hard line despotic rule are rightist? You're massively conflating this. It's really quite simple in the context of this thread regarding Trump's actions with Iran. Is there evidence to suggest Iran have plans in place to build a nuclear warhead/weapon? Yes. Should sanctions be re-imposed to stop this? Yes.

Penge Eagle

Beckenham 06 Feb 19 11.17am

Originally posted by silvertop

I have made my point pretty clear about Iran. It's horrible. However, it is not worse than other countries.

On political leaning, are you saying that those who support human rights and fairness are leftist; and those who support hard line despotic rule are rightist?

You're massively conflating this.

It's really quite simple in the context of this thread regarding Trump's actions with Iran.

Is there evidence to suggest Iran have plans in place to build a nuclear warhead/weapon? Yes. Should sanctions be re-imposed to stop this? Yes.

pefwin Where you have to have an English ... 08 Feb 19 9.59pm
As China welcomes the Year of the Pig, America celebrates the third year of the cock "Everything is air-droppable at least once." "When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."

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Where you have to have an English ... 08 Feb 19 9.59pm

As China welcomes the Year of the Pig, America celebrates the third year of the cock

"Everything is air-droppable at least once."

"When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."

ChrisGC Wantage 08 Feb 19 10.48pm
Originally posted by pefwin As China welcomes the Year of the Pig, America celebrates the third year of the cock Who's that, Pellosi? Regarding Trump I can appreciate why people don't like him, but the stats speak for themselves: When it comes to Jobs and the economy he's unrivaled in his successes. I also like his strong stance on illegal immigration. I think people don't like his brashness, he's certainly not diplomatic, but the again, has it ever been said anywhere "I know what the world needs, another politician". I've never known any politician strive to keep promises like he has. He's also a strong, no nonsense, uncompromising leader: something we could do with. His nicknames make me smile too. Dnang Dick and Crying Chuck. I had to look up who Mr Peeps was and I'm glad I did. Never laughed so much lol.

ChrisGC

Wantage 08 Feb 19 10.48pm

Originally posted by pefwin

As China welcomes the Year of the Pig, America celebrates the third year of the cock

Who's that, Pellosi?

Regarding Trump I can appreciate why people don't like him, but the stats speak for themselves: When it comes to Jobs and the economy he's unrivaled in his successes. I also like his strong stance on illegal immigration. I think people don't like his brashness, he's certainly not diplomatic, but the
again, has it ever been said anywhere "I know what the world needs, another politician". I've never known any politician strive to keep promises like he has. He's also a strong, no nonsense, uncompromising leader: something we could do with.

His nicknames make me smile too. Dnang Dick and Crying Chuck.

I had to look up who Mr Peeps was and I'm glad I did. Never laughed so much lol.

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 09 Feb 19 11.21am
Originally posted by ChrisGC Regarding Trump I can appreciate why people don't like him, but the stats speak for themselves: When it comes to Jobs and the economy he's unrivaled in his successes. I also like his strong stance on illegal immigration. I think people don't like his brashness, he's certainly not diplomatic, but the again, has it ever been said anywhere "I know what the world needs, another politician". I've never known any politician strive to keep promises like he has. He's also a strong, no nonsense, uncompromising leader: something we could do with. This is pretty much the same kind of ill-informed nonsense you find all over Trump supporting groups in the USA, being fed to them by Fox and Breitbart and parroted by Trump himself. It just isn't true. The US economy has been on an upward curve for several years and was started during the Obama administration. Economies take years to react to stimuli and Trump's impact is only now taking effect. The markets are down as a consequence as nervousness overtakes optimism. Why? His tax cuts have added hugely to their debt without trickling down into the economy as they enrich the wealthy and not the poor. His tariff wars worry markets and hurt consumers. All of this whilst ignoring climate change and consequently storing up huge problems for future generations. The man is not just brash. He is also narcissistic, ignorant and dangerous. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 09 Feb 19 11.21am

Originally posted by ChrisGC

Regarding Trump I can appreciate why people don't like him, but the stats speak for themselves: When it comes to Jobs and the economy he's unrivaled in his successes. I also like his strong stance on illegal immigration. I think people don't like his brashness, he's certainly not diplomatic, but the
again, has it ever been said anywhere "I know what the world needs, another politician". I've never known any politician strive to keep promises like he has. He's also a strong, no nonsense, uncompromising leader: something we could do with.

This is pretty much the same kind of ill-informed nonsense you find all over Trump supporting groups in the USA, being fed to them by Fox and Breitbart and parroted by Trump himself.

It just isn't true. The US economy has been on an upward curve for several years and was started during the Obama administration. Economies take years to react to stimuli and Trump's impact is only now taking effect. The markets are down as a consequence as nervousness overtakes optimism.

Why? His tax cuts have added hugely to their debt without trickling down into the economy as they enrich the wealthy and not the poor. His tariff wars worry markets and hurt consumers. All of this whilst ignoring climate change and consequently storing up huge problems for future generations.

The man is not just brash. He is also narcissistic, ignorant and dangerous.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

.TUX. 09 Feb 19 11.36am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle This is pretty much the same kind of ill-informed nonsense you find all over Trump supporting groups in the USA, being fed to them by Fox and Breitbart and parroted by Trump himself. It just isn't true. The US economy has been on an upward curve for several years and was started during the Obama administration. Economies take years to react to stimuli and Trump's impact is only now taking effect. The markets are down as a consequence as nervousness overtakes optimism. Why? His tax cuts have added hugely to their debt without trickling down into the economy as they enrich the wealthy and not the poor. His tariff wars worry markets and hurt consumers. All of this whilst ignoring climate change and consequently storing up huge problems for future generations. The man is not just brash. He is also narcissistic, ignorant and dangerous. He's not alone. Buy Litecoin.

.TUX.

09 Feb 19 11.36am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

This is pretty much the same kind of ill-informed nonsense you find all over Trump supporting groups in the USA, being fed to them by Fox and Breitbart and parroted by Trump himself.

The man is not just brash. He is also narcissistic, ignorant and dangerous.

He's not alone.

Buy Litecoin.

steeleye20 Croydon 09 Feb 19 11.38am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle This is pretty much the same kind of ill-informed nonsense you find all over Trump supporting groups in the USA, being fed to them by Fox and Breitbart and parroted by Trump himself. It just isn't true. The US economy has been on an upward curve for several years and was started during the Obama administration. Economies take years to react to stimuli and Trump's impact is only now taking effect. The markets are down as a consequence as nervousness overtakes optimism. Why? His tax cuts have added hugely to their debt without trickling down into the economy as they enrich the wealthy and not the poor. His tariff wars worry markets and hurt consumers. All of this whilst ignoring climate change and consequently storing up huge problems for future generations. The man is not just brash. He is also narcissistic, ignorant and dangerous. Surely Obama was elected just after the crash so the credit for the USA recovery is largely his?

steeleye20

Croydon 09 Feb 19 11.38am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

This is pretty much the same kind of ill-informed nonsense you find all over Trump supporting groups in the USA, being fed to them by Fox and Breitbart and parroted by Trump himself.

The man is not just brash. He is also narcissistic, ignorant and dangerous.

Surely Obama was elected just after the crash so the credit for the USA recovery is largely his?

.TUX. 09 Feb 19 11.55am
Originally posted by steeleye20 Surely Obama was elected just after the crash so the credit for the USA recovery is largely his? Any given POTUS is (generally) irrelevant tbf. Funds released by The Fed dictate market movement, there's a clear correlation. Those funds have now been lessened hence we see more volatility in the Dow (beware the rising wedge!). And no bud, as with the UK, the EU, Asia etc etc, the US hasn't had a true ''recovery'' as the reliance on debt just to survive has become greater for all. Not good. Buy Litecoin.

.TUX.

09 Feb 19 11.55am

Originally posted by steeleye20

Surely Obama was elected just after the crash so the credit for the USA recovery is largely his?

Any given POTUS is (generally) irrelevant tbf. Funds released by The Fed dictate market movement, there's a clear correlation. Those funds have now been lessened hence we see more volatility in the Dow (beware the rising wedge!).
And no bud, as with the UK, the EU, Asia etc etc, the US hasn't had a true ''recovery'' as the reliance on debt just to survive has become greater for all.

Not good.

Buy Litecoin.

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