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 Midlands Eagle  02 Jun 19 5.41am |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
And very good at their main purpose in life they are too operating in my local Sainsbury car park. The previous residents were Bulgarian and they weren't as adaptable as I think that one of them tried to remove some dried bird poo from the roof of my week old car with sandpaper
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| Spiderman Horsham 02 Jun 19 6.34am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
What do you think not wanting a Labour government under Corbyn actually means? The problem with those on the hard right is that they think all those who stand slightly less to the right than them are on the "left". It's a bit like looking at a compass and thinking that if you want to go north, but find yourself headed NNE, that you will end up in the south. I see myself as to the right of the centre and not on the left. It's like you being really convinced that the BBC has a left wing bias when the truth is that does a very reasonable job of trying to ensure that all points of view get air time. It ALL depends on your personal perspective. You obviously don't watch Daily Politics Question time and Newsnight then!
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 02 Jun 19 8.36am |
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Originally posted by Spiderman
You obviously don't watch Daily Politics Question time and Newsnight then! Oh but I do. I heard "Any Questions" only last Thursday on Radio 4 which had a Brexit Party MEP on the panel and I believe that "Question Time" too had such a representative. Just because there is a current wave of protest votes doesn't mean that you suddenly give equal coverage to those making the most noise. Such a policy could result in dire consequences. Broadcasters need to ensure that the arguments of protesters are heard but they need to keep a long term focus in view. MEPs don't sit in our Parliament. I realise that those who support a hard Brexit will feel outraged that their views are not being seen as worthy of equal air time but the fact is that they are in the minority, both in Parliament and in the country, and the BBC are merely reflecting that. Keeping a balance in these troubled times must be very hard for them.
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| Mapletree Croydon 02 Jun 19 8.50am |
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Given how big the Green Party is becoming, how come the media never mentions them and only occasionally includes them?
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| Mapletree Croydon 02 Jun 19 8.57am |
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
And very good at their main purpose in life they are too operating in my local Sainsbury car park. The previous residents were Bulgarian and they weren't as adaptable as I think that one of them tried to remove some dried bird poo from the roof of my week old car with sandpaper Ah the old Bulgarian bird poo sandpaper trick Post Brexit they are bringing in these guys as our new migrant workers
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| Badger11 Beckenham 02 Jun 19 9.21am |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
Given how big the Green Party is becoming, how come the media never mentions them and only occasionally includes them? They were invited by the BBC but decided the cost in fuel for the journey was counter productive to the environment so took a horse and cart. They're expected at Salford Media Centre any day soon although sighting have been a bit sporadic.
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| dannyboy1978 02 Jun 19 9.36am |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
Given how big the Green Party is becoming, how come the media never mentions them and only occasionally includes them? The green party are another head scratcher. By nature they are ultra liberal so dont have a bad word about mass immigration but why aren't they against the carbon cost of mass immigration or questions the carbon cost of making houses for mass immigration.
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 becky over the moon 02 Jun 19 10.07am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Oh but I do. I heard "Any Questions" only last Thursday on Radio 4 which had a Brexit Party MEP on the panel and I believe that "Question Time" too had such a representative. Just because there is a current wave of protest votes doesn't mean that you suddenly give equal coverage to those making the most noise. Such a policy could result in dire consequences. Broadcasters need to ensure that the arguments of protesters are heard but they need to keep a long term focus in view. MEPs don't sit in our Parliament. I realise that those who support a hard Brexit will feel outraged that their views are not being seen as worthy of equal air time but the fact is that they are in the minority, both in Parliament and in the country, and the BBC are merely reflecting that. Keeping a balance in these troubled times must be very hard for them. I have often wondered if you were on an elaborate wind-up with you Brexit postings. All doubt has now been removed........
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| Stirlingsays 02 Jun 19 10.34am |
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Originally posted by dannyboy1978
The green party are another head scratcher. By nature they are ultra liberal so dont have a bad word about mass immigration but why aren't they against the carbon cost of mass immigration or questions the carbon cost of making houses for mass immigration. The Greens are watermelons.....green on the outside and red on the inside. It's a shame that if you're interested in nature and conservation......you are just kind of stuck with the ultra left wing as a representative and nothing else. It's an issue the original creator of Greenpeace found himself with. Edited by Stirlingsays (02 Jun 2019 10.37am)
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| Badger11 Beckenham 02 Jun 19 11.02am |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
The Greens are watermelons.....green on the outside and red on the inside. It's a shame that if you're interested in nature and conservation......you are just kind of stuck with the ultra left wing as a representative and nothing else. It's an issue the original creator of Greenpeace found himself with. Edited by Stirlingsays (02 Jun 2019 10.37am) Good point. It's a bit like Scottish independence I have heard that some Scots would like independence but they don't like the SNP and the brand of independence that brings. It's time some of the other parties started to challenge the greens as the default party for environmental issues. My beef with environmentalists is they are against most energy types and yet in favour of nothing. We can do all do better saving energy but we still need to produce energy without wrecking our economy. To some extent the Greens are getting away with it because they are not yet a major party. I think if some of their policies came under close scrutiny by the electorate they might find themselves losing some support.
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| Stirlingsays 02 Jun 19 12.32pm |
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Originally posted by Badger11
Good point. It's a bit like Scottish independence I have heard that some Scots would like independence but they don't like the SNP and the brand of independence that brings. It's time some of the other parties started to challenge the greens as the default party for environmental issues. My beef with environmentalists is they are against most energy types and yet in favour of nothing. We can do all do better saving energy but we still need to produce energy without wrecking our economy. To some extent the Greens are getting away with it because they are not yet a major party. I think if some of their policies came under close scrutiny by the electorate they might find themselves losing some support. Being a bit of a nationalist myself I tend to respect nationalists in general. However, I find that kind of hard with the SNP. They just come across as plastic nationalists to me. They want to free themselves from the UK political union only to tie themselves to the EU political union. That's not real nationalism......that's kind of just being anti English.....(I don't think they really factor in Wales and NI.) If you are a real Scottish nationalist and want independence, then that should mean real political control over your own country and finances. But as we know the the majority of the political class tend to show a love for the taste of gravy.
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| Mapletree Croydon 02 Jun 19 3.36pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Being a bit of a nationalist myself I tend to respect nationalists in general. However, I find that kind of hard with the SNP. They just come across as plastic nationalists to me. They want to free themselves from the UK political union only to tie themselves to the EU political union. That's not real nationalism......that's kind of just being anti English.....(I don't think they really factor in Wales and NI.) If you are a real Scottish nationalist and want independence, then that should mean real political control over your own country and finances. But as we know the the majority of the political class tend to show a love for the taste of gravy. They obviously listened more carefully than you to the original referendum debate on staying in the EU. It was made clear that ceding some power to the EU would bring greater prosperity and power, net result more power even if eroded by some additional power lying in the EU. But then you weren't around in 1975, so I will let you off.
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| Stirlingsays 02 Jun 19 4.04pm |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
They obviously listened more carefully than you to the original referendum debate on staying in the EU. It was made clear that ceding some power to the EU would bring greater prosperity and power, net result more power even if eroded by some additional power lying in the EU. But then you weren't around in 1975, so I will let you off.
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| Badger11 Beckenham 02 Jun 19 4.47pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Being a bit of a nationalist myself I tend to respect nationalists in general. However, I find that kind of hard with the SNP. They just come across as plastic nationalists to me. They want to free themselves from the UK political union only to tie themselves to the EU political union. That's not real nationalism......that's kind of just being anti English.....(I don't think they really factor in Wales and NI.) If you are a real Scottish nationalist and want independence, then that should mean real political control over your own country and finances. But as we know the the majority of the political class tend to show a love for the taste of gravy. And keep the pound. The great independence party still wants the rest of the UK to bail it out should they get into financial trouble. How is that independence? Whilst I don't like the SNP, because they blame England for policies they are responsible for, they do have a point about Indy2. During the first referendum they were all told vote no to stay in the union and the EU. That and the mess Salmon made over which currency they would use: It's the euro, no pound, no euro (shake it all about) saw the Remainers home. After we have left I do think they deserved another referendum for that reason, it wasn't a slogan on a bus. However if it happens I would ask the SNP everyday what currency will you use and forget about the pound it aint happening. When you divorce someone you don't give them free access to your bank account and credit cards. They need to explain their solution to the Scottish people. By the way if they do vote to leave I know a man who can build us a wall to keep the tartan hordes out. Edited by Badger11 (02 Jun 2019 4.48pm)
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| Mapletree Croydon 02 Jun 19 5.07pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Threw me there for a moment I thought you had found out about my 'special attribute'.
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| Stirlingsays 02 Jun 19 5.41pm |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
Threw me there for a moment I thought you had found out about my 'special attribute'.
'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen) |
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| Stirlingsays 02 Jun 19 5.51pm |
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Originally posted by Badger11
And keep the pound. The great independence party still wants the rest of the UK to bail it out should they get into financial trouble. How is that independence? Whilst I don't like the SNP, because they blame England for policies they are responsible for, they do have a point about Indy2. During the first referendum they were all told vote no to stay in the union and the EU. That and the mess Salmon made over which currency they would use: It's the euro, no pound, no euro (shake it all about) saw the Remainers home. After we have left I do think they deserved another referendum for that reason, it wasn't a slogan on a bus. However if it happens I would ask the SNP everyday what currency will you use and forget about the pound it aint happening. When you divorce someone you don't give them free access to your bank account and credit cards. They need to explain their solution to the Scottish people. By the way if they do vote to leave I know a man who can build us a wall to keep the tartan hordes out. Edited by Badger11 (02 Jun 2019 4.48pm)
I don't believe in enforced unions but by the same token I find the attitude of the Scots to the pound annoying in the extreme. Geoff Boycott use to say something about the Yorkshire board.....'You don't like me, but you like me runs'. With the SNP you just want to say....either get on the frigging horse or get off the frigging horse. You can't have one foot on and one foot off. I'd have no issues with an independent Scotland, but the Pound is a currency that's controlled by the Bank of England....they should take the Euro if they chose the EU.
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| Spiderman Horsham 02 Jun 19 6.42pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Oh but I do. I heard "Any Questions" only last Thursday on Radio 4 which had a Brexit Party MEP on the panel and I believe that "Question Time" too had such a representative. Just because there is a current wave of protest votes doesn't mean that you suddenly give equal coverage to those making the most noise. Such a policy could result in dire consequences. Broadcasters need to ensure that the arguments of protesters are heard but they need to keep a long term focus in view. MEPs don't sit in our Parliament. I realise that those who support a hard Brexit will feel outraged that their views are not being seen as worthy of equal air time but the fact is that they are in the minority, both in Parliament and in the country, and the BBC are merely reflecting that. Keeping a balance in these troubled times must be very hard for them. Maybe in Parliament but in the country? Not sure about that but you believe what you want
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cpfc_chap  koh samui 02 Jun 19 10.20pm |
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Originally posted by Spiderman
Maybe in Parliament but in the country? Not sure about that but you believe what you want People are still in denial every brexit voter I know just wants out! deal or no deal.
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