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 Rudi Hedman  Caterham 03 Jun 19 7.55am |
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Great, but what about Brexit? To you and Labour.
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| Badger11 Beckenham 03 Jun 19 7.56am |
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Originally posted by johnno42000
Ok. Thought I'd give this a go as quite a few people on this thread appear anti-left wing. Not all of us are nutters. Do I like Corbyn. No. Do I like all of Labours policy's. No. Am I worried about mass immigration. Yes. Do I like the anti-semitism most definitely not and, quite frankly, the party should be ashamed. Things I like about Labour/the Left. Re-nationalising some things that should never have been put into the private sector, water, rail mainly. Tax rates for the richest 10% should be increased, not to a ridiculous amount but I think they should pay more. More social housing to be built. There are more that I like and more that I don't but, on balance, they are the party for me and I shall try and fight to change the things I don't like. Fair enough a reasonable position to take. By the way I think Labour is missing a trick with regard to tax rates. They often say they will raise taxes which puts the back up of many people in this country even when it wont impact them. I don't believe you need to do that to raise extra revenue. Since the 1960's the Tax document has physically increased due to successive chancellors introducing gimmicky tax breaks. Labour would get a lot of plaudits if it said I will keep the tax rates the same but close many loopholes. These loopholes are normally exploited only by the rich so shouldn't impact most of us but would increase tax revenue. Anyway good luck we need more sensible Labour supporters on this site and in general.
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 03 Jun 19 8.11am |
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Originally posted by Badger11
Fair enough a reasonable position to take. By the way I think Labour is missing a trick with regard to tax rates. They often say they will raise taxes which puts the back up of many people in this country even when it wont impact them. I don't believe you need to do that to raise extra revenue. Since the 1960's the Tax document has physically increased due to successive chancellors introducing gimmicky tax breaks. Labour would get a lot of plaudits if it said I will keep the tax rates the same but close many loopholes. These loopholes are normally exploited only by the rich so shouldn't impact most of us but would increase tax revenue. Anyway good luck we need more sensible Labour supporters on this site and in general. Introducing an additional sales tax to internet shopping that can be deducted if U.K. direct taxes are paid would be a good policy. Trouble is Corbyn and is surrounded by incompetent muppets many don’t have any confidence in, and for good reason.
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johnno42000  03 Jun 19 10.09am |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
Great, but what about Brexit? To you and Labour. I voted remain but remain lost so we should leave. I don't believe in the no deal idea. No idea about Labour, or the Tories for that matter. I also don't believe in the theory that a trade deal with America should be our main aim after leaving, simply because Trump has shown what he does regarding tariffs, sanctions etc with countries they trade with who don't want to play by his rules. I just have a feeling we would be very much the tart, and he the pimp, in any agreement. Edited by johnno42000 (03 Jun 2019 10.10am)
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| elgrande bedford 03 Jun 19 7.19pm |
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Originally posted by johnno42000
Ok. Thought I'd give this a go as quite a few people on this thread appear anti-left wing. Not all of us are nutters. Do I like Corbyn. No. Do I like all of Labours policy's. No. Am I worried about mass immigration. Yes. Do I like the anti-semitism most definitely not and, quite frankly, the party should be ashamed. Things I like about Labour/the Left. Re-nationalising some things that should never have been put into the private sector, water, rail mainly. Tax rates for the richest 10% should be increased, not to a ridiculous amount but I think they should pay more. More social housing to be built. There are more that I like and more that I don't but, on balance, they are the party for me and I shall try and fight to change the things I don't like. Very balanced view, but the problem is if you want to stay in Europe..you cannot re nationalise.
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| johnno42000 03 Jun 19 7.52pm |
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Originally posted by elgrande
Very balanced view, but the problem is if you want to stay in Europe..you cannot re nationalise. I'm not really up on things to do with European regulations. Is there a regulation that says you can't? Must admit I have no idea but I did think that the East Coast Line was taken back into public ownership.
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| Beanyboysmd 03 Jun 19 9.48pm |
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Originally posted by johnno42000
I'm not really up on things to do with European regulations. Is there a regulation that says you can't? Must admit I have no idea but I did think that the East Coast Line was taken back into public ownership. Actually im a remainer and I remember hearing something similar...I think you can but if its public it has to go to tender to another country. I will double check because even at the time I thought it was weird...
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| Badger11 Beckenham 03 Jun 19 9.52pm |
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Originally posted by Maine Eagle
Ho hum another day in the books. And the ever present truth remains: The WA is dead and can never be reanimated. There will never be a no deal crash out of the EU which is signed off on by parliament. Bercow will ensure parliament has a say on that and that even charming, cuddly, harmless toff prime ministers cannot decree that unilaterally. The only way a no deal exit can happen, is if it is explicitly voted for by the public. The only way a no deal exit will be put on the ballot paper, is if revoking article 50 is next to it. There is no way on earth more people in this country want a no deal exit, than want to stay in the EU. Therefore we are now 1 day closer to the cancellation of Brexit. In your opinion others opinions are available (for now anyway). And Parliament should have a say on a no deal Brexit I have no issue with that. Of course the outcome may not be what you think.
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| Spiderman Horsham 03 Jun 19 9.58pm |
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Originally posted by Maine Eagle
Ho hum another day in the books. And the ever present truth remains: The WA is dead and can never be reanimated. There will never be a no deal crash out of the EU which is signed off on by parliament. Bercow will ensure parliament has a say on that and that even charming, cuddly, harmless toff prime ministers cannot decree that unilaterally. The only way a no deal exit can happen, is if it is explicitly voted for by the public. The only way a no deal exit will be put on the ballot paper, is if revoking article 50 is next to it. There is no way on earth more people in this country want a no deal exit, than want to stay in the EU. Thought you were in the US? Didn't know they were in the EU. Sorry did I twist what you said...what's good for the goose and all that
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| Maine Eagle USA 03 Jun 19 10.05pm |
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Originally posted by Spiderman
Thought you were in the US? Didn't know they were in the EU. Sorry did I twist what you said...what's good for the goose and all that My word that is a pointless post. This country, meaning the country in question. I didn’t twist what you said, spidey, I just hit “reply” and quoted what you said, exactly as it was, which is pretty common around here.
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| .TUX. 03 Jun 19 10.21pm |
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Originally posted by Maine Eagle
Ho hum another day in the books. And the ever present truth remains: The WA is dead and can never be reanimated. There will never be a no deal crash out of the EU which is signed off on by parliament. Bercow will ensure parliament has a say on that and that even charming, cuddly, harmless toff prime ministers cannot decree that unilaterally. The only way a no deal exit can happen, is if it is explicitly voted for by the public. The only way a no deal exit will be put on the ballot paper, is if revoking article 50 is next to it. There is no way on earth more people in this country want a no deal exit, than want to stay in the EU. Therefore we are now 1 day closer to the cancellation of Brexit. And equally the failing bloc.
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| Spiderman Horsham 03 Jun 19 10.32pm |
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Originally posted by Maine Eagle
My word that is a pointless post. This country, meaning the country in question. I didn’t twist what you said, spidey, I just hit “reply” and quoted what you said, exactly as it was, which is pretty common around here. And here is what Midland Eagle replied to you: Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
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| Mapletree Croydon 03 Jun 19 11.15pm |
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Originally posted by Beanyboysmd
Actually im a remainer and I remember hearing something similar...I think you can but if its public it has to go to tender to another country. I will double check because even at the time I thought it was weird... I believe you can nationalise if there remains competition. So part nationalisation is feasible.
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| Maine Eagle USA 04 Jun 19 12.40am |
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Originally posted by Spiderman
And here is what Midland Eagle replied to you: Originally posted by Midlands Eagle And he was as wrong then as you are now. I don’t change quotes of others when replying. Go read it again, spidey, as your spidey sense is off and I await an apology from Midlands Eagle.
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| Midlands Eagle 04 Jun 19 6.48am |
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Originally posted by Maine Eagle
I didn’t twist what you said, spidey, I just hit “reply” and quoted what you said, exactly as it was, which is pretty common around here. I had hoped to leave this one behind but obviously not so here is exactly what was said:- Originally posted by Spiderman
Don't think ME said he disliked them and showed no prejudice towards them did he? Originally posted by Maine Eagle
Think your spidey sense is a bit off again here, Pete. You don’t think he showed no prejudice, that would be a double negative. You didn't quote exactly what was said as you left out "Don't think ME said he disliked them" which correctly has a single negative as does the second half that you did quote so by editing the quote you made an incorrect point. Now can we leave it please
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| Stirlingsays 04 Jun 19 7.03am |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
I believe you can nationalise if there remains competition. So part nationalisation is feasible. Part nationalisation? Sounds very much like the Chinese system. Isn't that just a form of state assistance to companies?
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| Mapletree Croydon 04 Jun 19 8.23am |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Part nationalisation? Sounds very much like the Chinese system. Isn't that just a form of state assistance to companies? That is precisely what is not supposed to happen. In theory it is a level playing field. East Coast Mainline was in State hands for over 5 years
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| Stirlingsays 04 Jun 19 8.35am |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
That is precisely what is not supposed to happen. In theory it is a level playing field. East Coast Mainline was in State hands for over 5 years In theory I could play left back for Palace.....I wouldn't advise it though. I'm not fundamentally against re-nationalisation of the railways as the way privationisation was handled and structured has resulted in rail having priced out many people......when it's meant to be a national rail service. I could be convinced....but surely the practicalities and cost would be strong arguments against.....it leads me to suspect that it's not really a sensible path to pursue.
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