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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
You can have your referendum on how we leave but there can be no remain option.
Wow you have come around, Hrolf. 3 months ago you said another vote would be an outrage against democracy, an affront to the victorious brexiteers, couldnt be fair, and would be boycotted en masse. Good to see some people can come off their intransigent positions, it just takes a while. I wont ever believe Brexit is good for the country though, before you ask
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Originally posted by W12
On the subject of food I highly doubt there are significant numbers of remainers who have visited the US and given a second thought to the source and treatment of the food they were eating at the time. I'm also sure they will have all unknowingly eaten "chlorinated chicken" with no I'll effects. Most people who travel to USA have probably followed the Foreign Office guidelines on visiting third world countries where they are told not to eat the food but to take a suitcase full of baked beans with them
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
Most people who travel to USA have probably followed the Foreign Office guidelines on visiting third world countries where they are told not to eat the food but to take a suitcase full of baked beans with them Yes, and don't forget Marmite.
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
I provided one originally and the research on the long term declining happiness levels of women is out there. The more feminism and social liberalism has been pushed the less happy the majority of women have become. The real breakthroughs and improvements within society have been technological. Edited by Stirlingsays (05 Jun 2019 9.40am) OK, so what I found out is the year I was born is the year things started to get worse. Coincidence?
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Originally posted by Mapletree
OK, so what I found out is the year I was born is the year things started to get worse. Coincidence? Outside of genetics, which is a separate discussion. If we look at culture I have this to say. The emergence of social liberalism and its attack dog modern feminism is responsible for the emergence of modern problems. Social conservativism was increasingly demonised and starved of good promotion. As the older generation died off from the boomer generation onwards the messaging from media has been more and more direct to that end. That has led to the modern day picture. There are of course good factors within social liberalism and bad factors within social conservativism. But this is what I'm come to understand and I believe the statistics show it.
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Originally posted by Maine Eagle
Wow you have come around, Hrolf. 3 months ago you said another vote would be an outrage against democracy, an affront to the victorious brexiteers, couldnt be fair, and would be boycotted en masse. Good to see some people can come off their intransigent positions, it just takes a while. I wont ever believe Brexit is good for the country though, before you ask
There can be no second vote on membership. That will never change. It is clear that the earliest possible exit is best for everyone.
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
There can be no second vote on membership. That will never change. It is clear that the earliest possible exit is best for everyone. Interesting statement when 48% of people voted to stay in, which is probably a higher percentage now. One thing that Brexit is not and never will be, on either side, is best for everyone.
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Originally posted by Maine Eagle
Wow you have come around, Hrolf. 3 months ago you said another vote would be an outrage against democracy, an affront to the victorious brexiteers, couldnt be fair, and would be boycotted en masse. Good to see some people can come off their intransigent positions, it just takes a while. I wont ever believe Brexit is good for the country though, before you ask I'm a remainer and no he hasn't.
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Originally posted by dollardays
I still think some kind of deal is the most likely outcome, possibly a revised one despite the EU saying that isn't happening. I can't see us remaining, or there being a second vote, and have my doubts that we'll leave without a deal. Possibly new leadership might kick the process into early 2020 though. Of course 'after' that, should we dare loon that far, if over the next couple of years things are going well, then support for what had happened would increase and it'd be smooth sailing. If on the other hand the economy tanks or something along those lines, public opinion may well align with a 'rejoin' or not General Election. Don't think you can escape the groundhog day Brexit process that easily. I agree that after we have left there will still be a campaign to rejoin and as you say the level of support will depend on how well we do post Brexit. What will muddy the waters is the collapse of the high street and the loss of jobs through automation. This will happen in or out of the EU but Brexit will get the blame. Anyway one step at a time.
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Originally posted by dollardays
I still think some kind of deal is the most likely outcome, possibly a revised one despite the EU saying that isn't happening. I can't see us remaining, or there being a second vote, and have my doubts that we'll leave without a deal. Possibly new leadership might kick the process into early 2020 though. Of course 'after' that, should we dare loon that far, if over the next couple of years things are going well, then support for what had happened would increase and it'd be smooth sailing. If on the other hand the economy tanks or something along those lines, public opinion may well align with a 'rejoin' or not General Election. Don't think you can escape the groundhog day Brexit process that easily. We'll be affected but 100% it'll start somewhere other than the UK.
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Originally posted by .TUX.
We'll be affected but 100% it'll start somewhere other than the UK. Yes there could certainly be some truth to that too... I think the impact would be felt both for us and the EU. It could feasibly lead to a loose arrangement that makes more sense to all involved. There are so many unknowns, I've given up second guessing!
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Originally posted by dollardays
Yes there could certainly be some truth to that too... I think the impact would be felt both for us and the EU. It could feasibly lead to a loose arrangement that makes more sense to all involved. There are so many unknowns, I've given up second guessing! It'll start in the EU/Other. Not the UK.
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Apologies for coming over all DANGERCLOSE but this main lad choked me up a bit. All those saying ‘we survived the world wars’ but would run a mile from signing up should be made to watch this. [Tweet Link]
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Originally posted by DanH
Apologies for coming over all DANGERCLOSE but this main lad choked me up a bit. All those saying ‘we survived the world wars’ but would run a mile from signing up should be made to watch this. [Tweet Link]He's a top man as were the others and is more than entitled to his opinion. However I did not vote Brexit because of the war and don't know anyone who did.
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Originally posted by DanH
[Tweet Link]I thought that we fought two world wars in order to stop becoming a united Europe
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
I thought that we fought two world wars in order to stop becoming a united Europe Yes, we're not leaving Europe, just the federal institutions.
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