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W12 05 Jun 19 12.17pm

Isn't it funny that as the scare stories get debunked they seem to morph into something else.

On the subject of food I highly doubt there are significant numbers of remainers who have visited the US and given a second thought to the source and treatment of the food they were eating at the time. I'm also sure they will have all unknowingly eaten "chlorinated chicken" with no I'll effects. Is it perhaps that they want to tell other people what they should be eating?

Then there is the obvious fact that people still get to choose where their own produce comes from. Nobody is proposing to supplant our own produce or anyone elses.

 

Maine Eagle Flag USA 05 Jun 19 1.39pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger


'Crash out' again. Well done. More points.

You can have your referendum on how we leave but there can be no remain option.



Luckily you dont decide.

Wow you have come around, Hrolf.

3 months ago you said another vote would be an outrage against democracy, an affront to the victorious brexiteers, couldnt be fair, and would be boycotted en masse.

Good to see some people can come off their intransigent positions, it just takes a while.

I wont ever believe Brexit is good for the country though, before you ask

 


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Midlands Eagle Flag 05 Jun 19 2.09pm

Originally posted by W12

On the subject of food I highly doubt there are significant numbers of remainers who have visited the US and given a second thought to the source and treatment of the food they were eating at the time. I'm also sure they will have all unknowingly eaten "chlorinated chicken" with no I'll effects.

Most people who travel to USA have probably followed the Foreign Office guidelines on visiting third world countries where they are told not to eat the food but to take a suitcase full of baked beans with them

 

Mapletree Flag Croydon 05 Jun 19 2.12pm

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

Most people who travel to USA have probably followed the Foreign Office guidelines on visiting third world countries where they are told not to eat the food but to take a suitcase full of baked beans with them

Yes, and don't forget Marmite.

 

Mapletree Flag Croydon 05 Jun 19 2.13pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I provided one originally and the research on the long term declining happiness levels of women is out there.

The more feminism and social liberalism has been pushed the less happy the majority of women have become. The real breakthroughs and improvements within society have been technological.

Edited by Stirlingsays (05 Jun 2019 9.40am)

OK, so what I found out is the year I was born is the year things started to get worse. Coincidence?

 

johnno42000 Flag 05 Jun 19 2.16pm

I don't really care much about the chlorinated chicken. Most meat is pretty bland these days. The last nice chicken I ate was from a local butcher who gets stuff from the local farms.

What worries me is that we seem to want to put so many of our eggs in one basket with the US trade deal. DT has shown that he is fully prepared to impose tariffs and sanctions against countries that don't do what he wants. What if we didn't and most of our trade was reliant on the US via the trade deal?

We may have difficulty trading with the EU due to our previous actions, China could be a no no due to what DT is doing to them as could Russia. We could become DT's plaything and that is very worrying.

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 05 Jun 19 2.51pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

OK, so what I found out is the year I was born is the year things started to get worse. Coincidence?

Outside of genetics, which is a separate discussion. If we look at culture I have this to say.

The emergence of social liberalism and its attack dog modern feminism is responsible for the emergence of modern problems.

Social conservativism was increasingly demonised and starved of good promotion. As the older generation died off from the boomer generation onwards the messaging from media has been more and more direct to that end.

That has led to the modern day picture.

There are of course good factors within social liberalism and bad factors within social conservativism. But this is what I'm come to understand and I believe the statistics show it.


Edited by Stirlingsays (05 Jun 2019 2.53pm)

 


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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 05 Jun 19 5.50pm

Originally posted by Maine Eagle


Luckily you dont decide.

Wow you have come around, Hrolf.

3 months ago you said another vote would be an outrage against democracy, an affront to the victorious brexiteers, couldnt be fair, and would be boycotted en masse.

Good to see some people can come off their intransigent positions, it just takes a while.

I wont ever believe Brexit is good for the country though, before you ask


My position has not changed at all.

There can be no second vote on membership.

That will never change.

It is clear that the earliest possible exit is best for everyone.

 

Maine Eagle Flag USA 05 Jun 19 6.06pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger


My position has not changed at all.

There can be no second vote on membership.

That will never change.

It is clear that the earliest possible exit is best for everyone.

Interesting statement when 48% of people voted to stay in, which is probably a higher percentage now.

One thing that Brexit is not and never will be, on either side, is best for everyone.

 


Trump lost. Badly. Hahahahahahaha.

cryrst Flag The garden of England 05 Jun 19 6.15pm

Originally posted by Maine Eagle


Luckily you dont decide.

Wow you have come around, Hrolf.

3 months ago you said another vote would be an outrage against democracy, an affront to the victorious brexiteers, couldnt be fair, and would be boycotted en masse.

Good to see some people can come off their intransigent positions, it just takes a while.

I wont ever believe Brexit is good for the country though, before you ask

I'm a remainer and no he hasn't.
What he has agreed is the type of Brexit to be voted on.
Not if Brexit.
Even I don't think it's a good idea to Brexit but blimey accept defeat a bit graciously Maine.

 

Invalid user 2019 Flag 05 Jun 19 6.35pm

I still think some kind of deal is the most likely outcome, possibly a revised one despite the EU saying that isn't happening. I can't see us remaining, or there being a second vote, and have my doubts that we'll leave without a deal. Possibly new leadership might kick the process into early 2020 though.

Of course 'after' that, should we dare loon that far, if over the next couple of years things are going well, then support for what had happened would increase and it'd be smooth sailing. If on the other hand the economy tanks or something along those lines, public opinion may well align with a 'rejoin' or not General Election. Don't think you can escape the groundhog day Brexit process that easily.


 

Badger11 Flag Beckenham 05 Jun 19 7.29pm

Originally posted by dollardays

I still think some kind of deal is the most likely outcome, possibly a revised one despite the EU saying that isn't happening. I can't see us remaining, or there being a second vote, and have my doubts that we'll leave without a deal. Possibly new leadership might kick the process into early 2020 though.

Of course 'after' that, should we dare loon that far, if over the next couple of years things are going well, then support for what had happened would increase and it'd be smooth sailing. If on the other hand the economy tanks or something along those lines, public opinion may well align with a 'rejoin' or not General Election. Don't think you can escape the groundhog day Brexit process that easily.

I agree that after we have left there will still be a campaign to rejoin and as you say the level of support will depend on how well we do post Brexit.

What will muddy the waters is the collapse of the high street and the loss of jobs through automation. This will happen in or out of the EU but Brexit will get the blame.

Anyway one step at a time.

 


One more point

.TUX. Flag 05 Jun 19 7.30pm

Originally posted by dollardays

I still think some kind of deal is the most likely outcome, possibly a revised one despite the EU saying that isn't happening. I can't see us remaining, or there being a second vote, and have my doubts that we'll leave without a deal. Possibly new leadership might kick the process into early 2020 though.

Of course 'after' that, should we dare loon that far, if over the next couple of years things are going well, then support for what had happened would increase and it'd be smooth sailing. If on the other hand the economy tanks or something along those lines, public opinion may well align with a 'rejoin' or not General Election. Don't think you can escape the groundhog day Brexit process that easily.


We'll be affected but 100% it'll start somewhere other than the UK.

 


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Invalid user 2019 Flag 05 Jun 19 7.35pm

Originally posted by .TUX.

We'll be affected but 100% it'll start somewhere other than the UK.

Yes there could certainly be some truth to that too... I think the impact would be felt both for us and the EU. It could feasibly lead to a loose arrangement that makes more sense to all involved. There are so many unknowns, I've given up second guessing!

 

.TUX. Flag 05 Jun 19 7.57pm

Originally posted by dollardays

Yes there could certainly be some truth to that too... I think the impact would be felt both for us and the EU. It could feasibly lead to a loose arrangement that makes more sense to all involved. There are so many unknowns, I've given up second guessing!

It'll start in the EU/Other. Not the UK.

 


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DanH Flag SW2 06 Jun 19 10.22am

Apologies for coming over all DANGERCLOSE but this main lad choked me up a bit. All those saying ‘we survived the world wars’ but would run a mile from signing up should be made to watch this.

 

Badger11 Flag Beckenham 06 Jun 19 10.35am

Originally posted by DanH

Apologies for coming over all DANGERCLOSE but this main lad choked me up a bit. All those saying ‘we survived the world wars’ but would run a mile from signing up should be made to watch this.

He's a top man as were the others and is more than entitled to his opinion.

However I did not vote Brexit because of the war and don't know anyone who did.

 


One more point

Midlands Eagle Flag 06 Jun 19 10.45am

I thought that we fought two world wars in order to stop becoming a united Europe

 

chris123 Flag hove actually 06 Jun 19 10.50am

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

I thought that we fought two world wars in order to stop becoming a united Europe

Yes, we're not leaving Europe, just the federal institutions.

 

Penge Eagle Flag Beckenham 06 Jun 19 12.18pm

Why can't people distinguish between the EU and Europe?

I was in Switzerland last month and it's not a member of the EU. I'm pretty sure that I was still in a European country, in Europe!

As I was wandering around Zurich's old town, I was struck by the number of racists and xenophobes everywhere! -.-'

Edited by Penge Eagle (06 Jun 2019 12.18pm)

 

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