"Keep pushing your agenda and refusing to accept what I am saying through your prejudice. Everyone who criticises Hamas is of course asking for them to be submissive, aren't they?

A credible government is one who gives concessions in negotiations. It is one who puts its people first, not its own power. Hamas is bad for Palestine and the Palestinian people.

Israel has been close to a two state solution. Look at Camp David talks.

Also, did Israel steal land from the Palestinians or was the West Bank previously Jordanian territory lost in the 1967 war? I would argue that Israel has not stolen the West Bank from Palestinians but is in non compliance of a UN resolution. Although, I am sure that is wrong in your eyes, somehow."

In fact Jordan formally renounced its 'control' of the West Bank to the PLO in 1988.

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The fact is that the Golan Heights, the West Bank, East Jerusalem and Gaza are internationally recognised as illegally occupied by Israel (even acknowldeged by the US) seems to have passed you by!

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Supporting Crystal Palace since 19.45 on 29th August 1972 (approximately)!

According to the UN it's the IDF who use Palestinian children as human shields

I have prepared one of my own time capsules. I have placed some rather large samples of dynamite, gunpowder and nitroglycerin. My time capsule is set to go off in the year 3000. It will show them what we are really like.

You said Israel 'stole' Palestinian land. I questionned use of he word 'stolen' because it is land that Israel obtained after wars with Syria and Jordan.

Occupation was not mentioned once.

And good to see you are dodging this by trying to insult me. Typical Lefty Mafia tactics when cornered.

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

The self righteousness of Comrade Kermit is back.

What has the above got to do with the debate we were having on whether the land was 'stolen' from Palestinians or was acquired by Israel through wars with Jordan, Syria, etc? Where did I say that I was 'nauseated' more by lefty views than by the deaths of children?

It is just an attempt at cheap point scoring and part of your campaign to label me as worse a human than Hitler, Stalin and Pol Pot combined because I disagree and challenge your cut and paste 'ideology'.

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

Was that the UN collectively or just one person at the UN expressing a personal opinion?

Cheap shot Kermy.

Hamas and PFLP (Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine) have a chequered history of terrorism throughout the world, ie suicide bombings, hijacking airplanes, kidnapping etc.

They do not listen to reason and it is they that continually stoke the flames of this situation by firing their rockets and breaking any truce.

You cannot blame Israel for not wanting to lift the blockade which would mean Hamas getting their hands on bigger more accurate weapons.

The land the Palestinians are fighting over is basically a pile of rubble. They are staying there just to make a point.

I have sympathy for the Israelis because of the treatment of Jews by the Nazis throughout the 30's and WWII and their plucky nature to face down the aggression of the Arab states that surround them, they are the underdogs.