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Stirlingsays Flag 13 Dec 19 5.47pm

Originally posted by DanH

Yeah Kier Starmer is v good. Think he’ll put himself forward for next leader too.

The Labour Party really need to have a good long hard look at themselves and realise what they have to do to make themselves electable. It’s people like you guys they need to convince, not us younger soft lads

Well I view social liberalism as inherently destructive to social order and some neo liberalism as too nihilistically individualistic for social good either.

So I'm twenty years too far gone for any moderate Labour politician.

Still if I put a Labour hat on, I can see a battle emerging within the party between Corbyn's momentum backed wing and the remaining moderates.

I think it might come down to Starmer v McDonnell......Though you're bound to get some of the useless bints like Thornberry put herself forward.....She's about as likeable as terminal syphilis.

Still, she fits the momentum doctrine quite nicely.

Watching what happens in Labour will be genuinely interesting.

Edited by Stirlingsays (13 Dec 2019 6.17pm)

 


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Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 13 Dec 19 6.10pm

Originally posted by DanH

Yeah Kier Starmer is v good. Think he’ll put himself forward for next leader too.

The Labour Party really need to have a good long hard look at themselves and realise what they have to do to make themselves electable. It’s people like you guys they need to convince, not us younger soft lads

He might be a man of erudition but he has that deadpan expression that never changes and appears to have undergone a charisma by-pass procedure.Never seen the chap smile or show a modicum of emotion.

 

DanH Flag SW2 13 Dec 19 6.36pm

Originally posted by Willo

He might be a man of erudition but he has that deadpan expression that never changes and appears to have undergone a charisma by-pass procedure.Never seen the chap smile or show a modicum of emotion.

This is what depresses me about modern politics. Personality over substance.

 

Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 13 Dec 19 6.46pm

Originally posted by DanH

This is what depresses me about modern politics. Personality over substance.

Neither of which Corbyn possesses nor certain members of his front bench.

In terms of Starmer, I did comment that he was a man of erudition.


Edited by Willo (13 Dec 2019 6.46pm)

 

cryrst Flag The garden of England 13 Dec 19 7.24pm

Protesting at downing street.
Sad losers who could well be labour voters.
Says it all really!
Just waiting for the Russian collusion or not giving aid to someone.
Democracy happened.
Get over it,you lost!

 

Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 13 Dec 19 7.41pm

Originally posted by cryrst

Protesting at downing street.
Sad losers who could well be labour voters.
Says it all really!
Just waiting for the Russian collusion or not giving aid to someone.
Democracy happened.
Get over it,you lost!

These comments struck a cord with me.

Disappointment and bitterness in the cold night air but peaceful protest is part of our democracy.

 

cryrst Flag The garden of England 13 Dec 19 7.47pm

Originally posted by Willo

These comments struck a cord with me.

Disappointment and bitterness in the cold night air but peaceful protest is part of our democracy.

It's only peaceful because downing street is gated!

 

Matov Flag 13 Dec 19 8.27pm

Protesting against what? Democracy?

 


"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

chris123 Flag hove actually 13 Dec 19 8.39pm

Originally posted by Matov

Protesting against what? Democracy?

They want to run the election again - we didn't understand what we were voting for on Thursday.

 

Matov Flag 13 Dec 19 8.48pm

Originally posted by chris123

They want to run the election again - we didn't understand what we were voting for on Thursday.

Of course. Because as any clever person knows, and that is primarily Graduates and most certainly not thickos like us then REAL democracy means having a chance to change our minds until we vote the way they like.

 


"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

sickboy Flag Deal or Croydon 13 Dec 19 10.54pm

Listening to LBC i think i have the answer.
We are all stupid and have been tricked,again.
The answer is to invoke a Marxist rule with no recourse to vote the ruling party out.
Might be worth a go, you never know it might be the answer.
Oh hang on......

 

Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 13 Dec 19 11.38pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Well I view social liberalism as inherently destructive to social order and some neo liberalism as too nihilistically individualistic for social good either.

So I'm twenty years too far gone for any moderate Labour politician.

Still if I put a Labour hat on, I can see a battle emerging within the party between Corbyn's momentum backed wing and the remaining moderates.

I think it might come down to Starmer v McDonnell......Though you're bound to get some of the useless bints like Thornberry put herself forward.....She's about as likeable as terminal syphilis.

Still, she fits the momentum doctrine quite nicely.

Watching what happens in Labour will be genuinely interesting.

Edited by Stirlingsays (13 Dec 2019 6.17pm)

Every time I see a pro Corbyn labour person and a moderate or Blairite on tv it gets spicy. That Faiza Shaheen left wing activist, labour studies centre whatever and candidate for Chingford and Wood Green) (the one who can’t pronounce t’s in party) was on Newsnight earlier and you could tell she wasn’t feeling too balanced with Jack Straw there. He mentioned Alan Johnson and she must’ve sighed and lost composure. When Jack said ‘’Faizal’’ she took offence that that’s a boy’s name.

This is going to rumble on and they’re slow with deciding leaders compared to the clinical Tories.

She blamed the media. When Jack talked about hamas, hezbolah and the IRA she tried not to talk about it after blaming lies etc and then told by Jack and Emily Maitliss that they are true facts.

Just like brexit they’re having trouble with people having the audacity or stupidity to have a different opinion to them. That is the real world darling.

 


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Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 13 Dec 19 11.47pm

Originally posted by chris123

They want to run the election again - we didn't understand what we were voting for on Thursday.

That is what Faiza Shaheen was implying on Newsnight with Emily Maitliss trying to get her to confirm that is what she was implying, because she definitely was. She had a seasoned professional senior ex cabinet minister in jack straw there and it was like watching a teenager being allowed to stay up too late. It’s usual that students when learning delude themselves they’re wiser than those with life experience or going to work, some with FE qualifications, all because the student is currently learning and the public aren’t. I put this Faiza in that bracket. Spending time in the centre for Labour studies she sees the intelligent angles and everyone else is stupid.

 


COYP

Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 13 Dec 19 11.49pm

Originally posted by Matov

Of course. Because as any clever person knows, and that is primarily Graduates and most certainly not thickos like us then REAL democracy means having a chance to change our minds until we vote the way they like.

That’s how student unions work. Fall in line or fvck off.

 


COYP

Jamesey Flag Wandsworth 14 Dec 19 12.24am

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Every time I see a pro Corbyn labour person and a moderate or Blairite on tv it gets spicy. That Faiza Shaheen left wing activist, labour studies centre whatever and candidate for Chingford and Wood Green) (the one who can’t pronounce t’s in party) was on Newsnight earlier and you could tell she wasn’t feeling too balanced with Jack Straw there. He mentioned Alan Johnson and she must’ve sighed and lost composure. When Jack said ‘’Faizal’’ she took offence that that’s a boy’s name.

This is going to rumble on and they’re slow with deciding leaders compared to the clinical Tories.

She blamed the media. When Jack talked about hamas, hezbolah and the IRA she tried not to talk about it after blaming lies etc and then told by Jack and Emily Maitliss that they are true facts.

Just like brexit they’re having trouble with people having the audacity or stupidity to have a different opinion to them. That is the real world darling.

Faiza Shaheen stood for Labour in Chingford and lost against Ian Duncan Smith who was subjected to lies and abuse during the campaign.

Undoubtedly she is one of the worst whining apologists for Corbyn and an all-round nasty piece of wombat waste.

What a delight and a pleasure that she was defeated and hopefully will never get anywhere near Parliament for a while.

In BBC2 “Newsnight” (Fri, Dec 13) she continually interrupted Jack Straw and the presenter Emma Barnett, and like so many of her kind is now blaming the right-wing press for her beloved leader’s demise. What utter nonsense.

When Mr Straw, the Blairite traitor for her sort, mispronounced her name she got really huffy. He apologised or would no doubt have been branded as a racist.

I would have replied, well this is the UK where English is the lingua franca and I don’t speak Arabic, Urdu, Kurdish, Iranian, or whatever your ethnic area is and why should I?

Nauseating creature…hopefully not to pollute the political landscape for now. But I do wish she could grasp that words like “better” have a hard consonant in the middle not a glottal stop.

 


Nothing is fool-proof - fools are too ingenious

Stirlingsays Flag 14 Dec 19 2.15am

Elected Labour MP Lloyd Russell-Moyle refers to fighting Conservatives in parliament, the workplaces and rather interestingly in the streets.

Errrrr...I think he got a bit carried away....anyway with the size of him I think he'll need a proxy.

Still spicy.....and he forgot to mention the beaches as well.....If you're going to be fighting, don't forget the beaches.

We have a fine tradition of fighting on the beaches.


Edited by Stirlingsays (14 Dec 2019 2.19am)

 


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sickboy Flag Deal or Croydon 14 Dec 19 4.24am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Elected Labour MP Lloyd Russell-Moyle refers to fighting Conservatives in parliament, the workplaces and rather interestingly in the streets.

Errrrr...I think he got a bit carried away....anyway with the size of him I think he'll need a proxy.

Still spicy.....and he forgot to mention the beaches as well.....If you're going to be fighting, don't forget the beaches.

We have a fine tradition of fighting on the beaches.


Edited by Stirlingsays (14 Dec 2019 2.19am)

Should be set to music.
" kemptown races all day long,
Do a do dah day"

 

Midlands Eagle Flag 14 Dec 19 6.42am

Originally posted by Jamesey

Faiza Shaheen stood for Labour in Chingford and lost against Ian Duncan Smith who was subjected to lies and abuse during the campaign.

Undoubtedly she is one of the worst whining apologists for Corbyn and an all-round nasty piece of wombat waste.

In BBC2 “Newsnight” (Fri, Dec 13) she continually interrupted Jack Straw and the presenter Emma Barnett,

I didn't see that but she was a brave woman to interrupt Emma Barnett as that woman is a Rottweiler who is probably more frightening than Andrew Neill

 

Stirlingsays Flag 14 Dec 19 8.39am

Originally posted by sickboy

Should be set to music.
" kemptown races all day long,
Do a do dah day"

He's mostly being laughed at by the right wing press but can you imagine how the left would have reacted if Farage had said something like that?

 


'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

johnno42000 Flag 14 Dec 19 8.41am

I'm a Labour supporter. I voted Labour. However I voted mostly for my local MP who has been extremely helpful to me and others that I know.

I voted remain. We lost. Labour should have accepted the result and offered another referendum in how we leave, but stress that leave we will.

I don't like Jeremy Corbyn and hate the anti-semitism he has allowed to spread in my party. Some of his policies I support, others I don't. A new leader, who is not in his image, is vital but a way must be found to lessen the power Momentum has, for all his faults, under Kinnock, we managed to lessen the hold Militant Tendancy (and associated groups) had, so perhaps ask him?

I very much dislike BJ and really do fear for the less well off in our society. I believe him to be a racist and a coward (at least when it comes to interviews). I fear for the future of the NHS. I fear for a great deal of things under his leadership.

I genuinely hope I am wrong.

 


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