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Teddy Eagle Flag 12 Jun 21 11.17pm

Originally posted by DanH

It’s using their platform to highlight a massive issue in society. Of course they can’t effect the change themselves, as much as Marcus Rashford is doing amazing things single handedly. It’s forcing the entire country to have a long overdue uncomfortable conversation. Would love to watch some dads try explain to their kids why they’re booing the knee. ‘That bloody Karl Marx’.

If they paid their income tax they’d be more likely to help issues in society.

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DanH Flag SW2 12 Jun 21 11.26pm

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

If they paid their income tax they’d be more likely to help issues in society.

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Their salaries are PAYE. I work with football clubs and the inspector at HMRC who heads up the football department. They pay their taxes.


Edited by DanH (12 Jun 2021 11.29pm)

 

Teddy Eagle Flag 12 Jun 21 11.35pm

Originally posted by DanH

Their salaries are PAYE. I work with football clubs and the inspector at HMRC who heads up the football department. They pay their taxes.


Edited by DanH (12 Jun 2021 11.29pm)

Not on their image rights payments.

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DanH Flag SW2 12 Jun 21 11.45pm

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

Not on their image rights payments.

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HMRC and players have an accepted % of what constitutes image rights. Ironically it’s the lower league players trying to take the p*ss rather than the superstars.

 

Teddy Eagle Flag 12 Jun 21 11.48pm

Originally posted by DanH

HMRC and players have an accepted % of what constitutes image rights. Ironically it’s the lower league players trying to take the p*ss rather than the superstars.

Well according to HMRC 246 of them are taking the p*ss to an unacceptable level.

 

BlueJay Flag UK 13 Jun 21 5.41am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I have, unlike you I've seen the reality of group dynamics because I grew up where the demographics are reversed. I have the scars and a bone broken and now misshapen to prove it.

Edited by Stirlingsays (12 Jun 2021 8.53am)

How sad that you've been in a position to get the 'minority' experience and instead of actually learning anything at all from it you just whine and gripe about other races for decades. How weak does a person have to be for their whole life to become an indulgence about these unfortunate experiences, inadvertently turned into an attack on people who more routinely experience precisely what you did. The abused becomes abuser trope. Like clockwork. Yawn.

Edited by BlueJay (13 Jun 2021 5.58am)

 

BlueJay Flag UK 13 Jun 21 5.48am

As for our next game, I do appreciate that our team is 'all kinds of everything'. Each player is as worthy as the next. I'm not scrawling on a cave wall with regard to race; I see it as it is. At the same time though, I don't see the value in 'taking the knee' now. Maybe for one or two games, but meaning and action extends beyond such arbitrary actions. I feel like Rashfords more direct approach (whether for poverty or whatever) is the way to go. Less 'token' and more people putting their time or money into meaningful and altruistic outcomes. All positive and commendable.

Edited by BlueJay (13 Jun 2021 6.34am)

 

Stirlingsays Flag 13 Jun 21 8.13am

Originally posted by BlueJay

How sad that you've been in a position to get the 'minority' experience and instead of actually learning anything at all from it you just whine and gripe about other races for decades. How weak does a person have to be for their whole life to become an indulgence about these unfortunate experiences, inadvertently turned into an attack on people who more routinely experience precisely what you did. The abused becomes abuser trope. Like clockwork. Yawn.

Edited by BlueJay (13 Jun 2021 5.58am)

What's sad is an individual who hasn't had real experiences of the consequences of growing up in unfiltered environments thinking they have a superior understanding of what outcomes should be learnt from it.

You don't appear to understand that my attacks are more on social liberalism and globalism and its adherents than on particular 'races'. Several times you mischaracterise me. I haven't stated this for 'decades' and I don't criticise individuals because of their race.

However, I do criticise those who attack mine without balance and I also criticalise the belief that assimilation of significantly different cultures into melting pots can work (and shifts in the demographic map prove this) and I criticise the people who are prepared to let the working classes suffer the negative consequences of their ideology but won't stay living within it themselves.

I am the very opposite of a weak person. I'm prepared to state what many won't state even though they know it's true but can't be bothered with the feedback from ideologs like you....or risks to their employment...that last one I understand so I won't criticise them.

And please, calling me an 'abuser' isn't only wrong it's frankly disgusting.

Brave writing that from behind a keyboard isn't it.

Edited by Stirlingsays (13 Jun 2021 11.25am)

 


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YT Flag Oxford 13 Jun 21 8.21am

Originally posted by DanH

And you boo the England team like the massive patriot you are.

Going to be scenes if we actually win something and all the tub thumping St George’s lads can’t actually celebrate it properly.

No worries there, then.

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 13 Jun 21 10.03am

Anti 'racism' movements and organisations like BLM and its ideological blood brothers are heavily funded and promoted within the mainstream. This money mostly comes from corporates and rich elites, but excepting BLM it also comes from the taxpayer....many of whom wouldn't agree with this highly political usage.

Any movements or individuals with ideas that run counter or seek to combat these ideologies are persecuted and endlessly attacked. They are denied official representation. The marketplace of ideas isn't allowed to operate as those with control, fear the arguments and only allow demonization of them. They selectively highlight and only allow positive positions for their arguments and deliberately minimise or even omit any opposition to them. This is why booing at a football match is so troubling for them because their normal methods of censorship are much harder at national matches.

Criticism is one thing and isn't a bad thing, however censorship and curtailment of the right of reply is...and that is the state of play within society.

That is not a free society.

To address my personal critics on this site. Aside from the narcissistic virtue signalling and arrogant self righteousness and simplistic characterisations from one of them in particular I feel there is a genuine idea from them that what they advocate for results in better outcomes for humanity....while there are always winners and losers in any played situation I contend that the central plank of their belief system actually creates a worse outcome for most people.....excepting those rich enough to create their own filtered lives.

I feel they characterise what they view as 'racism' as some kind of human disease that they can be a part of eradicating.

Just today I see a video which takes on this attitude and highlights it for the simplistic mindset it is: here it is. The guy who made it has long suffered financial, censorship and personal attacks for simply offering up arguments that run counter to the mainstream.

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My personal position is an attack upon the beliefs that globalism and unfiltered forced integration are beneficial or desirable. The population was never asked on this, instead it was subjected to it against all opinion polls on immigration levels for example.

My personal position is regularly attacked and mischaracterised as having other motives and by one in particular whose concern for truth has already been shown as secondary to their dislike.

Edited by Stirlingsays (13 Jun 2021 11.52am)

 


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Eaglecoops Flag CR3 13 Jun 21 11.55am

This kind of sums it up for me:

In 2022. England will play in the World Cup in Qatar.

A country that has the death penalty for homosexuality.

A country where you will receive 100 lashes for adultery.

A country where it’s illegal to import alcohol, p***.graphy, pork products or even opposing religious books, for fear of a prison sentence.

Are our knee taking, virtue w**king players going to boycott playing in a country like this? Or have they just got a problem with … arguably, the most tolerant, welcoming place in the world … Great Britain.

If not, then get up off your f***ing knees, and do what the fans, who pay hundreds of pounds of hard earned money, to support their national team expect of you ... and just play f***ing football.

If I wanted a political message from someone who chases a ball, I’d rather ask my f***ing dog.

C’mon Dan, tell me, are the English players going to boycott the World Cup?

 

Stirlingsays Flag 13 Jun 21 12.01pm

Originally posted by Eaglecoops

This kind of sums it up for me:

In 2022. England will play in the World Cup in Qatar.

A country that has the death penalty for homosexuality.

A country where you will receive 100 lashes for adultery.

A country where it’s illegal to import alcohol, p***.graphy, pork products or even opposing religious books, for fear of a prison sentence.

Are our knee taking, virtue w**king players going to boycott playing in a country like this? Or have they just got a problem with … arguably, the most tolerant, welcoming place in the world … Great Britain.

If not, then get up off your f***ing knees, and do what the fans, who pay hundreds of pounds of hard earned money, to support their national team expect of you ... and just play f***ing football.

If I wanted a political message from someone who chases a ball, I’d rather ask my f***ing dog.

C’mon Dan, tell me, are the English players going to boycott the World Cup?

Excellent points.

 


'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Teddy Eagle Flag 13 Jun 21 1.43pm


If the players had taken a knee to raise awareness of the number of deaths from street crime would anyone have booed them? I don’t think they would.

 

kevlee Flag born Wandsworth emigrated to Lanc... 13 Jun 21 1.55pm

One thing is true. The longer people express views like a lot of the posters on here, the longer the English players will continue to take the knee, just to basically give you two fingers.
I did smile at the post ‘Southgate is a tosser’ though. What I haven’t seen is one actual player speaking out against taking the knee apart from Wilfred.

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 13 Jun 21 1.59pm

Originally posted by kevlee

One thing is true. The longer people express views like a lot of the posters on here, the longer the English players will continue to take the knee, just to basically give you two fingers.
I did smile at the post ‘Southgate is a tosser’ though. What I haven’t seen is one actual player speaking out against taking the knee apart from Wilfred.

Enjoy the kneepads.

 


'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Teddy Eagle Flag 13 Jun 21 2.02pm

Originally posted by kevlee

One thing is true. The longer people express views like a lot of the posters on here, the longer the English players will continue to take the knee, just to basically give you two fingers.
I did smile at the post ‘Southgate is a tosser’ though. What I haven’t seen is one actual player speaking out against taking the knee apart from Wilfred.

11 Croatian players just remained standing - not exactly a ringing endorsement.

 

kevlee Flag born Wandsworth emigrated to Lanc... 13 Jun 21 2.06pm

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

11 Croatian players just remained standing - not exactly a ringing endorsement.

I did of course mean English players.
Enjoy the football!

 


Following Palace since 25 Feb 1978

Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 13 Jun 21 3.08pm

Originally posted by kevlee

One thing is true. The longer people express views like a lot of the posters on here, the longer the English players will continue to take the knee, just to basically give you two fingers.
I did smile at the post ‘Southgate is a tosser’ though. What I haven’t seen is one actual player speaking out against taking the knee apart from Wilfred.

And of course, that works in reverse.
It is beyond parody when someone starts making a pointless divisive gesture and then blames others who object to it.

Taking wisdom from footballers? Do behave.

 

eagleman13 Flag On The Road To Hell & Alicante 13 Jun 21 3.38pm

From where I watched the build up & the first half, apart from people giving that racist drugs cheat Ferdinand dogs abuse, when the England players took the bender limb, there were a group of black/coloured/people of colour, ie locals, who also booed.

We were shocked, laughed & then applauded them. We asked, WHY? Their reply was they disagree with it, it demeans them.

Go figure.

 


This operation, will make the 'Charge Of The Light Brigade' seem like a simple military exercise.

Behind Enemy Lines Flag Sussex 13 Jun 21 3.43pm

Perhaps somebody should ask Gareth Southgate whether he should even bother preparing the England team for this tournament noting this situation.

Originally posted by Eaglecoops

This kind of sums it up for me:

In 2022. England will play in the World Cup in Qatar.

A country that has the death penalty for homosexuality.

A country where you will receive 100 lashes for adultery.

A country where it’s illegal to import alcohol, p***.graphy, pork products or even opposing religious books, for fear of a prison sentence.

Are our knee taking, virtue w**king players going to boycott playing in a country like this? Or have they just got a problem with … arguably, the most tolerant, welcoming place in the world … Great Britain.

If not, then get up off your f***ing knees, and do what the fans, who pay hundreds of pounds of hard earned money, to support their national team expect of you ... and just play f***ing football.

If I wanted a political message from someone who chases a ball, I’d rather ask my f***ing dog.

C’mon Dan, tell me, are the English players going to boycott the World Cup?

 


hats off to palace, they were always gonna be louder, and hate to say it but they were impressive ALL bouncing and singing.

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