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 Jimenez  SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 13 Aug 19 2.57pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Negotiating with a begging bowl in your hand rarely works out well. However, negotiating a position in which we remain as members, provided our demands are satisfied, would be to negotiate from strength. Just saying! Exactly. Teresa May's negotiation tactics to the EU nicely summed up.
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Wisbech Eagle  Truro Cornwall 13 Aug 19 3.59pm |
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Originally posted by Jimenez
Exactly. Teresa May's negotiation tactics to the EU nicely summed up. Not her fault was it? She didn't deal the cards she had to play with. As soon as the UK voted to leave the odds were always going to be stacked against us. Trying to play bluff when holding only a King high is usually a losing strategy against experienced opponents who know where the real strengths and weaknesses lie. The bluff strategy is what is being attempted now but the EU won't be blinking anytime soon, which is why Parliament must, and I think will, intervene to stop a disaster. It makes us look extremely foolish in the eyes of the world and diminishes our tattered reputation even further. It makes us look as though we are incapable of accepting the realities of a constantly changing world and are just looking back with longing for an age long since over. Allowing the blue rinses in the shires to choose an ex Eton toff like Johnson to be our PM just confirms how backward we must seem to everyone else.
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| steeleye20 Croydon 13 Aug 19 4.24pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Not her fault was it? She didn't deal the cards she had to play with. As soon as the UK voted to leave the odds were always going to be stacked against us. Trying to play bluff when holding only a King high is usually a losing strategy against experienced opponents who know where the real strengths and weaknesses lie. The bluff strategy is what is being attempted now but the EU won't be blinking anytime soon, which is why Parliament must, and I think will, intervene to stop a disaster. It makes us look extremely foolish in the eyes of the world and diminishes our tattered reputation even further. It makes us look as though we are incapable of accepting the realities of a constantly changing world and are just looking back with longing for an age long since over. Allowing the blue rinses in the shires to choose an ex Eton toff like Johnson to be our PM just confirms how backward we must seem to everyone else. The 'masses' are now fully taking in the 'Boris will deliver us from the EU' despite the fact that the extension was negotiated by his predecessor and nothing to do with him, and runs out anyway. 'Freedom from an unelected dictatorship' the leavers chant. Well they should know, because the UK is one.
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| W12 13 Aug 19 4.29pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Not her fault was it? She didn't deal the cards she had to play with. As soon as the UK voted to leave the odds were always going to be stacked against us. Trying to play bluff when holding only a King high is usually a losing strategy against experienced opponents who know where the real strengths and weaknesses lie. The bluff strategy is what is being attempted now but the EU won't be blinking anytime soon, which is why Parliament must, and I think will, intervene to stop a disaster. It makes us look extremely foolish in the eyes of the world and diminishes our tattered reputation even further. It makes us look as though we are incapable of accepting the realities of a constantly changing world and are just looking back with longing for an age long since over. Allowing the blue rinses in the shires to choose an ex Eton toff like Johnson to be our PM just confirms how backward we must seem to everyone else. Yes, negotiations were sabotaged by a bunch of remainers in government intent on staying in the EU if not via some form of BRINO treaty then actually revoking A50. The EU originally offered us a free trade deal (twice I believe). The negotiation should have gone like this: 1. Day 1 - The UK sets a date for departure What do we have now? Basically remainers leave us no choice but to leave on WTO terms.
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| Spiderman Horsham 13 Aug 19 4.35pm |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
Where on Earth do you get that information from? Show me any facts on that point. The US is hurtling towards a series of dust bowls and has significant problems in its food chain controls. And then of course there is the Chlorinated chicken from the US... but what about chlorinated salad and veg from the EU blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/07/ignore-the-scare-stories-from-remainers-over-chlorinated-chicken/
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| Spiderman Horsham 13 Aug 19 4.37pm |
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Originally posted by Spiderman
And then of course there is the Chlorinated chicken from the US... but what about chlorinated salad and veg from the EU blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/07/ignore-the-scare-stories-from-remainers-over-chlorinated-chicken/
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| steeleye20 Croydon 13 Aug 19 4.39pm |
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"I'm fed up with being dictated to by Europe". Really I'm sorry, in what way? Listen, don't give me that remoaner s***e, its the EU, innit !!!!!!!
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| Stirlingsays 13 Aug 19 4.40pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
The 'masses' are now fully taking in the 'Boris will deliver us from the EU' despite the fact that the extension was negotiated by his predecessor and nothing to do with him, and runs out anyway. Well they should know, because the UK is one. Well that should make you really happy then.....because you've been supporting an unelected dictatorship all this time....So what's another one. Besides you're talking bull as usual because you'll get the opportunity to vote Johnson out. Whereas you never supported that option with the EU.
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| Spiderman Horsham 13 Aug 19 4.41pm |
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Originally posted by W12
Yes, negotiations were sabotaged by a bunch of remainers in government intent on staying in the EU if not via some form of BRINO treaty then actually revoking A50. The EU originally offered us a free trade deal (twice I believe). The negotiation should have gone like this: 1. Day 1 - The UK sets a date for departure What do we have now? Basically remainers leave us no choice but to leave on WTO terms. Spot on.
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| Spiderman Horsham 13 Aug 19 4.42pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
"I'm fed up with being dictated to by Europe". Really I'm sorry, in what way? Listen, don't give me that remoaner s***e, its the EU, innit !!!!!!!
How long have you got?
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| steeleye20 Croydon 13 Aug 19 4.54pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Well that should make you really happy then.....because you've been supporting an unelected dictatorship all this time....So what's another one. Besides you're talking bull as usual because you'll get the opportunity to vote Johnson out. Whereas you never supported that option with the EU. Poor old sod. The EU commission can be voted out anytime by the EU parliament as you know, one foot in the grave. Why do we have to vote Johnston out, why is he there anyway? Its the EU , innit !
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| Stirlingsays 13 Aug 19 5.12pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Poor old sod. The EU commission can be voted out anytime by the EU parliament as you know, one foot in the grave. Why do we have to vote Johnston out, why is he there anyway? Its the EU , innit !
A theoretical event isn't a comparison with an actual real life one. So pray tell me Steely....Just how many times has the EU parliament voted out the EU commission?.....I'll wait, while you add it up....it won't take you long. Whereas there is a guaranteed vote in the UK every five years. You've been Faraged and now you're going to bend over and get Johnsoned. Edited by Stirlingsays (13 Aug 2019 5.13pm)
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| Mapletree Croydon 13 Aug 19 7.24pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
A certain political demographic have little care for the historical and cultural ties between this part of the world and the US. Indeed, they appear to argue against the US any opportunity they get. Which is foolish as we are about to become its next State.
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| Stirlingsays 13 Aug 19 8.23pm |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
Which is foolish as we are about to become its next State.
Hey, don't get me wrong, I'm a fan...But..thanks, but no thanks.
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| Sportyteacher London 13 Aug 19 9.03pm |
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Anyone else thinking that Daily Telegraph is one obliging media vehicle for Dominic Cummings to funnel through his misinformation and twisted bile? I bet that opinion poll is complete fabrication.
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Attachment: | Spiderman Horsham 13 Aug 19 9.10pm |
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Originally posted by Sportyteacher
Anyone else thinking that Daily Telegraph is one obliging media vehicle for Dominic Cummings to funnel through his misinformation and twisted bile? I bet that opinion poll is complete fabrication.[/quote] Of course opinion polls in the Remain backing media aren't fabricated are they?
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| Sportyteacher London 13 Aug 19 9.52pm |
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Originally posted by Spiderman
Originally posted by Sportyteacher
Anyone else thinking that Daily Telegraph is one obliging media vehicle for Dominic Cummings to funnel through his misinformation and twisted bile? I bet that opinion poll is complete fabrication.[/quote] Of course opinion polls in the Remain backing media aren't fabricated are they? ^o) I wouldn't give ANY opinion poll the time of day given the headlines received for what is usually such a small, insignificant sample. They are all too frequently created to both promote and inflate the agenda tied to the source of the poll. The fact that so many readers swallow; accept and have their voting behaviour influenced by the resulting headlines is astonishing..
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| Jimenez SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 13 Aug 19 10.33pm |
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Originally posted by Sportyteacher
I wouldn't give ANY opinion poll the time of day given the headlines received for what is usually such a small, insignificant sample. They are all too frequently created to both promote and inflate the agenda tied to the source of the poll. The fact that so many readers swallow; accept and have their voting behaviour influenced by the resulting headlines is astonishing.. And yet you felt obliged to post this example. I do tend to agree with you on polls though. They were almost completely wrong about Trump at the last election & not by a percentage point or three
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 13 Aug 19 10.34pm |
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Originally posted by W12
Yes, negotiations were sabotaged by a bunch of remainers in government intent on staying in the EU if not via some form of BRINO treaty then actually revoking A50. The EU originally offered us a free trade deal (twice I believe). The negotiation should have gone like this: 1. Day 1 - The UK sets a date for departure What do we have now? Basically remainers leave us no choice but to leave on WTO terms. I could only read the first paragraph but it's enough. it's bs just as your post is. Day 1 was done. Day 2 isn't realistic. A WTO exit either happens or not. the terms are fixed and contingency plans are just the sticking plasters over the wounds. Day 3 is not the way negotiations are done when you have nothing but scraps in your begging bowl. Those that think we hold the cards are deluding themselves. Day x is what is probably going to happen at sometime but if we apply some proper diplomacy, rather than the pretence that everything will be alright on the night, then we might just be able to find some workable compromises that ensure we end up with the least worse solution. Any Brexit will be bad but a no deal is just a stupid and totally avoidable failure.
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| Midlands Eagle 14 Aug 19 7.26am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
And you're the expert I assume. The delusions are with the lily livered remoaners that think we couldn't survive on our own
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