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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 11 Dec 18 11.26pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend


Labels can be argued over.....just like you found it important to find a dictionary that amusingly treats...in one sense, jealously and envy as synonyms ....when I was correctly taught their separate meanings as a teenager.

 


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View Matov's Profile Matov Online Flag 11 Dec 18 11.27pm Send a Private Message to Matov Add Matov as a friend

Originally posted by Mapletree

We definitely dodged a bullet by not joining the Euro. But believing one country can do as good a trade deal as 28 borders on religious belief. Why on Earth would that be the case? Even getting the attention of governments eg of BRIC countries will be hard. We will be a long way behind the big blocs.

I disagree. We are still a big economy on our own, we have a superb infrastructure in place for absorbing exports, we enjoy a great deal of 'soft' power in terms of our culture being still held in high regard. Plus we can move quick. And that matters. Would a nation rather almost do a deal with the EU or get tied up for years, maybe even decades because it requires 26 nations to agree or will it decide to sit down with the UK and hammer something out? It is not an either or situation. That is the point. We can have Brazillian beef or African fruits and vegetables on our shelves in a matter of months. I would personally like us to declare a unilateral zero tariff regime but I suspect that will not happen.

 


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steve1984 11 Dec 18 11.31pm

Originally posted by Jimenez

Stevie Nick(s)

Country & Western, that figures.

 

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steve1984 11 Dec 18 11.32pm

Originally posted by Matov

I disagree. We are still a big economy on our own

Since when did 3% become big?

Originally posted by Matov

We can have Brazillian beef or African fruits and vegetables on our shelves in a matter of months.

We already do.

Edited by steve1984 (11 Dec 2018 11.34pm)

 

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 11 Dec 18 11.37pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

If you have a very large economy 3 percent is actually pretty impressive.

A small economy not so much.

Scale matters.

 


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steve1984 11 Dec 18 11.45pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays


Labels can be argued over.....just like you found it important to find a dictionary that amusingly treats...in one sense, jealously and envy as synonyms ....when I was correctly taught their separate meanings as a teenager.

I can't tell if that was helpful or not?

 

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Can anybody tell me why countries would not want a trade deal with the UK? Why would they not want to sell us their products?

The EU is a moribund, stagnant, organisation that is in long-term decline. The Euro is wrecking more lives in Europe than anything else it has experienced since the Wehrmacht decided to take a little stroll around it. Italy is sticking two fingers up at it and has a leader enjoying a popularity that their little cheerleaders like Macron can only dream of.

It is imploding. And we are best off out of it, asap. Rotten to its very core.

 


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steve1984 11 Dec 18 11.48pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

If you have a very large economy 3 percent is actually pretty impressive.

Can you explain that one to me please?

 

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steve1984 11 Dec 18 11.50pm

Originally posted by Matov

Can anybody tell me why countries would not want a trade deal with the UK? Why would they not want to sell us their products?

The EU is a moribund, stagnant, organisation that is in long-term decline.

Tell me which country you'd prioritise making a deal with? It isn't about wanting or not wanting a deal. It's about the potential the deal represents, the time it takes the deal to be done and the terms of business you can secure.

 

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Originally posted by steve1984

Can you explain that one to me please?

Ok....lets break this down for you.....let's imagine that an economy makes 100 billion and has a growth rate of ten percent.....That economy has put on 10 billion.

110 Billion.

Now lets imagine an economy that makes 1 trillion and give it a growth rate of 3 percent. That gets you an increase of 30 billion.

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steve1984 12 Dec 18 12.05am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Now lets imagine an economy that makes 1 trillion and give it a growth rate of 3 percent. That gets you an increase of 30 billion.

Ah OK. There been a misunderstanding.

Matov claimed "We are still a big economy on our own"

The 3% is the UK's share of global GDP, which I argue isn't a big number when negotiating trade deals with countries or trade blocks that are as much as 5 to 8 times larger.

 

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steve1984 12 Dec 18 12.10am

Obviously our share of the financial services market is much bigger (I guess). So that would be an easier negotiation. But we "only" buy 3% of global cars and that share is dropping as China etc grows.

Its about substitution. You can't buy a substitute complex financial service from many other countries but you can put on 3% of additional car sales more easily in the fast growing markets of asia etc.

Edited by steve1984 (12 Dec 2018 12.12am)

 

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