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Badger11 Flag Beckenham 19 Aug 19 6.07pm

Originally posted by cpfc_chap

The EU here are missing a trick they should sort out a personal membership for UK citizens who want to remain and get the same perks as they had before! Not sure what the perks are mind!

UK law must take precedent over EU citizen's rights otherwise you have a two tier legal system with those citizen's using EU law to get their way.

A Remainer who can travel in the EU freely sounds harmless but I don't like the idea of a UK citizen beholden to a body that the UK does not belong to. If those rights are just granted to Remainers how does that work? Do they take some sort of pledge of allegiance? I don't think so.

If the EU wants to offer any rights or privileges it must be for all UK citizens otherwise they are creating a fifth column.

 


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cryrst Flag The garden of England 19 Aug 19 6.30pm

Originally posted by craig321

Cheers we're doing well. Not as thick as I come across on hear. Been told to practice my reading and writing and this is good because my son can edit it with me later on and I'll learn from it. Also it's palace so holds.my interest.

Must be doing something right, got a daughter starting uni in September.

Well done Craig.
Honesty can be hard but fair play to you.
I used to drink in the swan as lived on shrublands.
Me n my mate could get 5 pints of krony each for a score.
Then a long walk home.
I miss my youth but seeing where you are brings it back.
Thank you.

 

.TUX. Flag 19 Aug 19 8.36pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

That we can never see 100% of the future is obviously true but we can make judgements about what is most likely and make our plans based on them.

If you see black clouds on the horizon and know the wind is blowing that way you have good reason to expect some rain. That's why we do forecasts.

The same applies to Brexit. We shouldn't just hope. We need to listen to those who can make the forecasts and not just put on our swim ware in the hope that the wind changes.

I am not really trying to "get you on my side"! I am just trying to point out that your approach, whilst it is the one shared by many right now who are thoroughly tired of the whole thing and just want it over, isn't going to serve up the result the country needs. That is not your job. It's the job of Parliament to ensure we get what we need and not just what everyone wants.

When exactly did ''we want'' two wages to support one average family when one was sufficient for bloody decades? This is what your beloved Parliament has forced upon us all and for way too long now!

Given your age, you are a bloody embarrassment.

 


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craig321 Flag West Wickham 19 Aug 19 9.08pm

Originally posted by cryrst

Well done Craig.
Honesty can be hard but fair play to you.
I used to drink in the swan as lived on shrublands.
Me n my mate could get 5 pints of krony each for a score.
Then a long walk home.
I miss my youth but seeing where you are brings it back.
Thank you.


Know the Swan well not been in there for a while though was run by a bloke called Mick last time I was there. Palace pub but not really my cup of tea. Kept a good cellar though. Not really my manor anymore I have to say. Just in the middle of moving to Oxfordshire where we've got family and have lots of work.

 

Invalid user 2019 Flag 19 Aug 19 9.22pm

Originally posted by Badger11

I got rid of mine last year just as someone told me they were coming back into fashion.

Edited by Badger11 (19 Aug 2019 4.25pm)

My eyes!!

 

Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 19 Aug 19 9.25pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

'It's the job of Parliament to ensure we get what we need and not just what everyone wants'.

But the UK parliament has no power here, except the right to cancel.

The extension runs out soon and the EU becomes free of us !

On their own that seems true but the UK Parliament can do much more than just cancel, so long as the EU agree to it, which is very likely as they too don't want a "no deal" exit.

So long as those opposed to a "no deal" get their ducks in a row, and don't get hung up on the political infighting, we should be able to get some sense back onto the table, install an interim government with the specific aim of asking for a further extension during which a GE can be held, and a new Parliament elected.

As the primary issue in front of the people at such a GE would be whether they still wanted a Brexit and if so what kind, we can be sure that would deliver a clear mandate and the MPs to see it through.

I don't see what anyone has to fear from such an event, excepting those MPs who would lose their seats and my expectation that it would result in a hung Parliament which might take some time to resolve before some kind of compromise is worked out that the EU would accept.

It has though to be better than this rush to commit suicide.

Critical days for our democracy lay ahead.

 


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.TUX. Flag 19 Aug 19 10.15pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

On their own that seems true but the UK Parliament can do much more than just cancel, so long as the EU agree to it, which is very likely as they too don't want a "no deal" exit.

So long as those opposed to a "no deal" get their ducks in a row, and don't get hung up on the political infighting, we should be able to get some sense back onto the table, install an interim government with the specific aim of asking for a further extension during which a GE can be held, and a new Parliament elected.

As the primary issue in front of the people at such a GE would be whether they still wanted a Brexit and if so what kind, we can be sure that would deliver a clear mandate and the MPs to see it through.

I don't see what anyone has to fear from such an event, excepting those MPs who would lose their seats and my expectation that it would result in a hung Parliament which might take some time to resolve before some kind of compromise is worked out that the EU would accept.

It has though to be better than this rush to commit suicide.

Critical days for our democracy lay ahead.

We don't have a democracy. Never have.
You continue to learn nothing despite your long past.
Sadly you'll never understand why you are part of the problem.

 


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Jimenez Flag SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 19 Aug 19 11.05pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Glad to be of help!

As 99% of everything I read from you is a load of tosh I don't regard your criticism very seriously.

Indeed I regard it as a solid confirmation that those who support a "no deal" exit have no idea what they are actually seeking. You are just another with a pocket full of optimism.

Yet you wasted 2 minutes of you're time responding?
Actually I find most of your responses drivel at best & contradictory trolling at worst.
All if most of the Government data released has been so off kilter in their predictions that know wonder people are so sceptical.
Me I have a business to run so can't be arsed spending hours on here responding to every critique.
May I suggest you stick to Carabao & Crown Green Bowls because I'm willing to bet that your predictions of doom, gloom & food running out & the other myriad of crap you think will happen erm' actually won't.

 


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becky Flag over the moon 20 Aug 19 7.48am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

On their own that seems true but the UK Parliament can do much more than just cancel, so long as the EU agree to it, which is very likely as they too don't want a "no deal" exit.

So long as those opposed to a "no deal" get their ducks in a row, and don't get hung up on the political infighting, we should be able to get some sense back onto the table, install an interim government with the specific aim of asking for a further extension during which a GE can be held, and a new Parliament elected.

As the primary issue in front of the people at such a GE would be whether they still wanted a Brexit and if so what kind, we can be sure that would deliver a clear mandate and the MPs to see it through.

I don't see what anyone has to fear from such an event, excepting those MPs who would lose their seats and my expectation that it would result in a hung Parliament which might take some time to resolve before some kind of compromise is worked out that the EU would accept.

It has though to be better than this rush to commit suicide.

Critical days for our democracy lay ahead.

Surely, installing an unelected interim government to oppose the stated will of the people would hardly be in line with your idea of democracy?

The reality is that after a successful vote of no confidence, BJ may decide NOT to use the 14 days available to re-form a government that is acceptable to the House, but may just call a GE immediately.

Since the House doesn't sit again until 3rd September,a vote of no confidence would have to be tabled and approved and a GE takes 6 weeks to deliver, there still wouldn't be any time left to negotiate very much at all.In fact, with a bit of judicious timing, the clock could just be run down to 31st Octber anyway.

 


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Badger11 Flag Beckenham 20 Aug 19 8.24am

Originally posted by becky

Surely, installing an unelected interim government to oppose the stated will of the people would hardly be in line with your idea of democracy?

The reality is that after a successful vote of no confidence, BJ may decide NOT to use the 14 days available to re-form a government that is acceptable to the House, but may just call a GE immediately.

Since the House doesn't sit again until 3rd September,a vote of no confidence would have to be tabled and approved and a GE takes 6 weeks to deliver, there still wouldn't be any time left to negotiate very much at all.In fact, with a bit of judicious timing, the clock could just be run down to 31st Octber anyway.

I wonder if that would actually suit Corbyn as well as Johnson. Corbyn is currently in a bind but a GE after 31st Oct gets him off the hook. He gets his GE which he wants but after we have left. He can then point the finger at the Tories for Brexit whilst claiming the votes of the Remainers?

I must admit I do not understand the position of the waverers it doesn't seem logically. They are saying we must take no deal off the table yet the EU is refusing to re-negotiate so if they are sincere the only options are May's deal which has been defeated 3 time or a no deal.

Until the EU show a willingness to compromise no deal is the only logical option assuming you respect the referendum result.

As for the Tory Remainer rebels if they side with a unity government they will be expelled from the Tory party and most will lose their seats at the next GE. Ken Clarke may not care as he is 79 but how many of the others are prepared to bin their political careers?

I still think Johnson will get a no deal through by a very narrow margin and then call a GE at which point he will wipe the floor with Corbyn.

 


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W12 20 Aug 19 11.14am

Originally posted by Badger11

I still think Johnson will get a no deal through by a very narrow margin and then call a GE at which point he will wipe the floor with Corbyn.

No, this has last minute removal of the backstop and subsequent signing of a still punitive treaty written all over it. I just can't see the EU just walking away from £39bn and the chance to tie us in at least for a couple more years.

Boris claims victory, a "compromise" is reached and MP's retire to the Red Lion to pat each other on the back and start to plot fully rejoining the EU. Leavers simply get phucked over yet again and Police get to fight all the nasty racists in the street.

I hope I'm wrong.

 

Badger11 Flag Beckenham 20 Aug 19 11.54am

Originally posted by W12

No, this has last minute removal of the backstop and subsequent signing of a still punitive treaty written all over it. I just can't see the EU just walking away from £39bn and the chance to tie us in at least for a couple more years.

Boris claims victory, a "compromise" is reached and MP's retire to the Red Lion to pat each other on the back and start to plot fully rejoining the EU. Leavers simply get phucked over yet again and Police get to fight all the nasty racists in the street.

I hope I'm wrong.

Ridiculous, they would never retire to the Red Lion too down market for the likes of them. You may have a point about the rest of your statement.

 


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Mapletree Flag Croydon 20 Aug 19 12.29pm

Originally posted by Badger11

Ridiculous, they would never retire to the Red Lion too down market for the likes of them. You may have a point about the rest of your statement.

Isn't there a subsidised bar at the HoC?

 

Badger11 Flag Beckenham 20 Aug 19 12.40pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

Isn't there a subsidised bar at the HoC?

Exactly

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 20 Aug 19 4.23pm

Originally posted by becky

Surely, installing an unelected interim government to oppose the stated will of the people would hardly be in line with your idea of democracy?

The reality is that after a successful vote of no confidence, BJ may decide NOT to use the 14 days available to re-form a government that is acceptable to the House, but may just call a GE immediately.

Since the House doesn't sit again until 3rd September,a vote of no confidence would have to be tabled and approved and a GE takes 6 weeks to deliver, there still wouldn't be any time left to negotiate very much at all.In fact, with a bit of judicious timing, the clock could just be run down to 31st Octber anyway.

As any interim government would be every bit as elected as any other it would fit perfectly with any idea of democracy!

I recognise the tactics you suggest as the ones now being floated around as the threats to Parliament. If tried we would end up with a full blown constitutional crisis. I don't think many of Johnson's government would support such a plan actually being enacted so I don't think it is really viable. The Speaker may well have something to say about it too.

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 20 Aug 19 4.32pm

Originally posted by Jimenez

Yet you wasted 2 minutes of you're time responding?
Actually I find most of your responses drivel at best & contradictory trolling at worst.
All if most of the Government data released has been so off kilter in their predictions that know wonder people are so sceptical.
Me I have a business to run so can't be arsed spending hours on here responding to every critique.
May I suggest you stick to Carabao & Crown Green Bowls because I'm willing to bet that your predictions of doom, gloom & food running out & the other myriad of crap you think will happen erm' actually won't.

My "predictions of doom and gloom" aren't mine at all! They are where the consensus of export opinion lies.

Actually I am far less worried about the short term issues. No doubt there will be some disruption but we will muddle through as we always do. Where there is a will and way will be found.

I am much more concerned about the long term implications of separating ourselves from the EU regulatory regime and the power that such a big organisation brings to trade agreements and in world affairs. The regulatory regime aspect of this is hardly ever discussed but is actually one of the biggest downsides of us leaving.

 


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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 20 Aug 19 5.03pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

My "predictions of doom and gloom" aren't mine at all! They are where the consensus of export opinion lies.

Actually I am far less worried about the short term issues. No doubt there will be some disruption but we will muddle through as we always do. Where there is a will and way will be found.

I am much more concerned about the long term implications of separating ourselves from the EU regulatory regime and the power that such a big organisation brings to trade agreements and in world affairs. The regulatory regime aspect of this is hardly ever discussed but is actually one of the biggest downsides of us leaving.

You waffle on with wordy posts when all you need to say is that you wish to thwart Brexit by any means.

 

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The latest look at the odds suggests that Brexit is most likely this year - well duh! - but then odds for a post 2020 Brexit are still not massive at 6/5. I suppose it's as result of it being uncharted territory.

Also a 2019 No Deal Brexit at 13/10 is still seen to be less likely to happen than a Deal at 4/7 even this late in the day. Will the EU buckle, or BoJo? Or No-one? It's worth stating that the NO to No deal odds include multiple outcomes though - a ratified withdrawl agreement, and extended article 50.

 

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Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 21 Aug 19 9.50am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

My "predictions of doom and gloom" aren't mine at all! They are where the consensus of export opinion lies.

Actually I am far less worried about the short term issues. No doubt there will be some disruption but we will muddle through as we always do. Where there is a will and way will be found.

I am much more concerned about the long term implications of separating ourselves from the EU regulatory regime and the power that such a big organisation brings to trade agreements and in world affairs. The regulatory regime aspect of this is hardly ever discussed but is actually one of the biggest downsides of us leaving.

Do you include Mark Carney who changed his mind?

 


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