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 Badger11  Beckenham 29 Aug 19 9.33pm |
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Originally posted by Matov
A way to go yet and still I suspect a few more twists before we get one less star on that s***ty flag. I confess the schadenfreude of the last day or so has been delicious but I still have my doubts about Johnson and his true commitment to enacting a 'clean' Brexit along with a little bit of a notion of hypocrisy. If the Remain side had pulled a similar stunt to enact a revocation of A50 or a second referendum I would be all blood and thunder myself and ultimately, the UK has to emerge from the other side of this all at some stage. And the divisions are now so entrenched that I do wonder what the future holds. Scary times, no matter how fun the last 36 hours have been. Because what is clear is that a significant amount of people in the UK cannot accept that 52 is a higher % than 48 in a vote. I had just accepted as a given that our system of democracy was rock solid but it is clear that for a lot of people, that is no longer a valid concept. And supposedly the 'brighter' ones in our society as well. When did they become such utter morons? Why would anybody who voted Remain in 2016 not accept that they lost? Once we leave, then yes, campaign for us to rejoin. A perfectly legitimate political aspiration. But to try and deliberately scupper the result from June 2016 from being implemented? That is beyond the pale. Democracy clearly is a lot more fragile than I had assumed.
This concerns me as well. A south African friend said his country is a democracy I replied we won't know that until the ANC lose an election and peacefully handover power to the wining party. That has been the hallmark of this country that some of us gripe about the result as we lost but accept that the other side have the right to power. I have been shocked by the blatant disregard for democracy especially by the politicians who should know better. The day after the Cameron 2015 election there was a small group of protestors outside Downing street with posters that said the Tories are out of touch with the people. I though what a bunch of idiots we had an election less that 24 hours ago how can the winning party be out of touch as this stage of the cycle. I fear the genie has been let out of the bottle and rather like the US any future election will now be disputed and challenged by supporters of the losing side. A sad day for democracy and I fear the wounds will not heal quickly if at all.
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Jimenez  SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 29 Aug 19 9.59pm |
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Originally posted by Badger11
This concerns me as well. A south African friend said his country is a democracy I replied we won't know that until the ANC lose an election and peacefully handover power to the wining party. That has been the hallmark of this country that some of us gripe about the result as we lost but accept that the other side have the right to power. I have been shocked by the blatant disregard for democracy especially by the politicians who should know better. The day after the Cameron 2015 election there was a small group of protestors outside Downing street with posters that said the Tories are out of touch with the people. I though what a bunch of idiots we had an election less that 24 hours ago how can the winning party be out of touch as this stage of the cycle. I fear the genie has been let out of the bottle and rather like the US any future election will now be disputed and challenged by supporters of the losing side. A sad day for democracy and I fear the wounds will not heal quickly if at all. Well put. If leave had loss do you seriously think there would be protests in the streets 3 years down the line? No of course not most of us Leavers aare pragmatic we would of rolled up our sleeves & gotten on with our lives.
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cryrst  The garden of England 29 Aug 19 10.07pm |
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Originally posted by Jimenez
Well put. If leave had loss do you seriously think there would be protests in the streets 3 years down the line? No of course not most of us Leavers aare pragmatic we would of rolled up our sleeves & gotten on with our lives. Had a bad day Jim?
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| davidpercival Croydon 29 Aug 19 10.24pm |
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If you can't be bothered to read the whole of a reply to your post, it says it all about how much you are prepared to enter a serious discussion. Originally posted by davenotamonkey
I stopped reading past these sentences. You've just proved my point. Intentions and best endeavors mean sweet FA when it comes down to Acts of Parliament. The Act was passed, overwhelmingly so, with no amendments added. Your argument of "What May said, what Farage promised, what Tusk offered" MEAN NOTHING. The Commons knew full well that one of the end-states of this Act would be to leave without an Agreement. After all, they all read Article 50(3), didn't they? They knew that this act gave direct effect to all the clauses in Article 50, didn't they? What would have been the alternative to activating the Article 50 notification that was compatible with the electorate's decision to leave the EU? I'm all ears.
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| Stirlingsays 29 Aug 19 10.31pm |
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Originally posted by Matov
A way to go yet and still I suspect a few more twists before we get one less star on that s***ty flag. I confess the schadenfreude of the last day or so has been delicious but I still have my doubts about Johnson and his true commitment to enacting a 'clean' Brexit along with a little bit of a notion of hypocrisy. If the Remain side had pulled a similar stunt to enact a revocation of A50 or a second referendum I would be all blood and thunder myself and ultimately, the UK has to emerge from the other side of this all at some stage. And the divisions are now so entrenched that I do wonder what the future holds. Scary times, no matter how fun the last 36 hours have been. Because what is clear is that a significant amount of people in the UK cannot accept that 52 is a higher % than 48 in a vote. I had just accepted as a given that our system of democracy was rock solid but it is clear that for a lot of people, that is no longer a valid concept. And supposedly the 'brighter' ones in our society as well. When did they become such utter morons? Why would anybody who voted Remain in 2016 not accept that they lost? Once we leave, then yes, campaign for us to rejoin. A perfectly legitimate political aspiration. But to try and deliberately scupper the result from June 2016 from being implemented? That is beyond the pale. Democracy clearly is a lot more fragile than I had assumed. A very good post.
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| Invalid user 2019 29 Aug 19 10.41pm |
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Originally posted by Matov
A way to go yet and still I suspect a few more twists before we get one less star on that s***ty flag. I confess the schadenfreude of the last day or so has been delicious but I still have my doubts about Johnson and his true commitment to enacting a 'clean' Brexit along with a little bit of a notion of hypocrisy. If the Remain side had pulled a similar stunt to enact a revocation of A50 or a second referendum I would be all blood and thunder myself and ultimately, the UK has to emerge from the other side of this all at some stage. And the divisions are now so entrenched that I do wonder what the future holds. Scary times, no matter how fun the last 36 hours have been. Because what is clear is that a significant amount of people in the UK cannot accept that 52 is a higher % than 48 in a vote. I had just accepted as a given that our system of democracy was rock solid but it is clear that for a lot of people, that is no longer a valid concept. And supposedly the 'brighter' ones in our society as well. When did they become such utter morons? Why would anybody who voted Remain in 2016 not accept that they lost? Once we leave, then yes, campaign for us to rejoin. A perfectly legitimate political aspiration. But to try and deliberately scupper the result from June 2016 from being implemented? That is beyond the pale. Democracy clearly is a lot more fragile than I had assumed. It's a sign of these politically entrenched times that people just get 'stuck' with an outlook and conjure up all kinds of eventualities in their head of how they win the day. It benefits no-one though and is one of the forces behind that nauseating gridlock that we've experienced for the last three years. The logical approach for people deadset on remaining, would be to respect the result and then play it by ear. If, as a suspect, the sky doesn't fall in, then fears will not be realised and support for being part of the EU will fall away dramatically. If on the other hand it's a disaster then there is nothing stopping people campaigning for rejoining in future. That's what gets me, it's a self correcting system. You leave and then you assess. The world isn't about to end. Life and nations experience twists and turns. Being so entrenched in an outlook favours no-one. Countries don't become what they are through a by numbers approach, it takes bold decisions from time to time. Some pan out, some don't, but unless you make them in the first place how are you ever going to know.
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| Jimenez SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 29 Aug 19 10.43pm |
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Originally posted by cryrst
Had a bad day Jim? Nope all good just taking a beautiful Roast Chicken out of the oven (Chlorinated of course) !!
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| dynamicdick Dormansland 29 Aug 19 11.03pm |
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Originally posted by dollardays
Something I find curious is that revoking article 50 is still only 3-1 in the betting odds. I just can't really see an eventuality where that happens now. I mean think of the outrage it would cause. Surely at this point the only realistic options are either a deal now that the EU sees that BJ means business, or no deal if that doesn't happen. You are spot on Dollar and well done Boris.
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| Invalid user 2019 29 Aug 19 11.23pm |
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Originally posted by dynamicdick
You are spot on Dollar and well done Boris. Thank you, good man!
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| Uncle Joe Tunbridge Wells 29 Aug 19 11.32pm |
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Well done Boris! A serial liar and you look up to him! Are you happy that the country is so divided?
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cpfc_chap  koh samui 30 Aug 19 12.06am |
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Originally posted by Uncle Joe
Well done Boris! A serial liar and you look up to him! Are you happy that the country is so divided? All politicians are liars. At least he is acting on leaving the eu like the people voted for
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| Stirlingsays 30 Aug 19 12.08am |
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This country has been divided on the EU for decades.
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| Midlands Eagle 30 Aug 19 7.03am |
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Originally posted by Matov
And the divisions are now so entrenched that I do wonder what the future holds. Scary times, no matter how fun the last 36 hours have been. I assume that once we are out the divisions will fall away as the remainers who have spent so long wrecking this country's economy will realise that it's all over
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| Midlands Eagle 30 Aug 19 7.04am |
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Originally posted by Jimenez
Will you scrape the chlorine off and send it to Mapletree as he loves a bit of chemicals to chew on
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| Midlands Eagle 30 Aug 19 7.07am |
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Originally posted by Uncle Joe
Well done Boris! A serial liar and you look up to him! Are you happy that the country is so divided? It is precisely because parliament is so divided that we have Boris as Prime Minister as we were getting absolutely nowhere under the previous regime and it was obvious that the indecision was badly affecting the economy. At least Boris will ensure that the will of the people will be carried out
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| dannyboy1978 30 Aug 19 7.15am |
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Anna soubry on LBC. "proroguing parliament is criminal because I can't represent my constituency " HOLD ON ANNA YOUR CONSTITUENTS VOTED LEAVE!!!!
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| Matov 30 Aug 19 7.18am |
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Originally posted by Uncle Joe
But there are liars and liars. The fact that one of the worst is now our PM, after getting sacked from numerous jobs doesn't make it any better. And yes I agree the country has been divided on the EU for decades, but now it is much worse, pure hatred is now accepted. Sad times. It is much worse because the losers refuse to accept the result. There was nothing wrong with voting Remain back in 2016. I disagreed with people who did but that is how things are. What is not only morally wrong, but horrendously damaging to us as a nation, is that a significant number of those who voted Remain seem unable to accept that they lost. That is where the hatred festers because they seem to believe their votes should count for more than ours. That is a disgusting state of affairs and the blame lays squarely at their feet for that.
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| Badger11 Beckenham 30 Aug 19 7.41am |
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Originally posted by dannyboy1978
Anna soubry on LBC. "proroguing parliament is criminal because I can't represent my constituency " HOLD ON ANNA YOUR CONSTITUENTS VOTED LEAVE!!!! And Conservative She represents no one, Change UK or as I call it "Army of One" I wish the media would stop calling her the leader it makes her sound more important than she is.
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