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cryrst The garden of England 12 Apr 20 10.18pm
Originally posted by Willo Found the link below. For avoidance of doubt, I do not read 'The Guardian' ! [Link] Edited by Willo (12 Apr 2020 9.44pm) I would think that was the last rag to praise a 'capitalist' organisation.

cryrst

The garden of England 12 Apr 20 10.18pm

Originally posted by Willo

Found the link below.
For avoidance of doubt, I do not read 'The Guardian' !

[Link]

Edited by Willo (12 Apr 2020 9.44pm)

I would think that was the last rag to praise a 'capitalist' organisation.

ex hibitionist Hastings 13 Apr 20 11.07am
Originally posted by dynamicdick Starmer is political points scoring and yes he is in the main raising the PPE issue now for ‘future enquiry’ . This is where the political points scoring comes into play. The ‘unity’ thing is a smoke screen. On the whole the Government are doing a good job on what is a massive job and at least Starmer is right in saying these are unprecedented times. Nightingale London was put together at incredible speed and I don’t think I have heard any praise for the Government from the opposition of the media who need to be more responsible and less pedantic in their questioning, especially Sky who are more left wing than the BBC. All labour could offer was criticism of the alleged price being paid to ADNOC (Abu Dhabi owners) but nothing about the fact that the Birmingham equivalent has been offered for nothing. Finally, every Country in the World is trying to buy PPE and in huge volumes which, has and still is making our procurement difficult and with it the probable extortionate prices having to be paid. It’s easy to be the opposition not having to make the big decisions. 'Sky are even more left wing than the BBC'????? .... thank you for cheering up my bank holiday Monday, a welcome comic boost, but Sky aren't as left wing as Fox News!?! And the NHS is full of left wing activism? in other words full of overworked underpaid staff who get justifiably pissed off. The tribal, knee jerk reactions on here are laughable - I think a certain way which makes me more sympathetic to Labour, but I don't think a certain way because I am Labour, it doesn't work in reverse guys, you don't have to slavishly put on and take off your rose tinted specs depending on which party people belong to, there is a mischaracterisation of Starmer's dealing with the situation here which is pure fantasy.

ex hibitionist

Hastings 13 Apr 20 11.07am

Originally posted by dynamicdick

Starmer is political points scoring and yes he is in the main raising the PPE issue now for ‘future enquiry’ . This is where the political points scoring comes into play.
The ‘unity’ thing is a smoke screen. On the whole the Government are doing a good job on what is a massive job and at least Starmer is right in saying these are unprecedented times.
Nightingale London was put together at incredible speed and I don’t think I have heard any praise for the Government from the opposition of the media who need to be more responsible and less pedantic in their questioning, especially Sky who are more left wing than the BBC. All labour could offer was criticism of the alleged price being paid to ADNOC (Abu Dhabi owners) but nothing about the fact that the Birmingham equivalent has been offered for nothing.
Finally, every Country in the World is trying to buy PPE and in huge volumes which, has and still is making our procurement difficult and with it the probable extortionate prices having to be paid.
It’s easy to be the opposition not having to make the big decisions.

'Sky are even more left wing than the BBC'????? .... thank you for cheering up my bank holiday Monday, a welcome comic boost, but Sky aren't as left wing as Fox News!?! And the NHS is full of left wing activism? in other words full of overworked underpaid staff who get justifiably pissed off. The tribal, knee jerk reactions on here are laughable - I think a certain way which makes me more sympathetic to Labour, but I don't think a certain way because I am Labour, it doesn't work in reverse guys, you don't have to slavishly put on and take off your rose tinted specs depending on which party people belong to, there is a mischaracterisation of Starmer's dealing with the situation here which is pure fantasy.

Stirlingsays 13 Apr 20 1.04pm
Originally posted by ex hibitionist 'Sky are even more left wing than the BBC'????? .... thank you for cheering up my bank holiday Monday, a welcome comic boost, but Sky aren't as left wing as Fox News!?! And the NHS is full of left wing activism? in other words full of overworked underpaid staff who get justifiably pissed off. The tribal, knee jerk reactions on here are laughable - I think a certain way which makes me more sympathetic to Labour, but I don't think a certain way because I am Labour, it doesn't work in reverse guys, you don't have to slavishly put on and take off your rose tinted specs depending on which party people belong to, there is a mischaracterisation of Starmer's dealing with the situation here which is pure fantasy. Errrr....they had a news media piece that was sympathetic to Antifa. Sky News are nothing like the channel that started....When they were like Fox News that provided conservatives with a British TV news station....and now there isn't one. As for people needing to take off their 'rose tinted specs' Ex.....perhaps it's yourself you needs to buy themselves some glasses to see these things for what they are. Edited by Stirlingsays (13 Apr 2020 1.05pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

13 Apr 20 1.04pm

Originally posted by ex hibitionist

'Sky are even more left wing than the BBC'????? .... thank you for cheering up my bank holiday Monday, a welcome comic boost, but Sky aren't as left wing as Fox News!?! And the NHS is full of left wing activism? in other words full of overworked underpaid staff who get justifiably pissed off. The tribal, knee jerk reactions on here are laughable - I think a certain way which makes me more sympathetic to Labour, but I don't think a certain way because I am Labour, it doesn't work in reverse guys, you don't have to slavishly put on and take off your rose tinted specs depending on which party people belong to, there is a mischaracterisation of Starmer's dealing with the situation here which is pure fantasy.

Errrr....they had a news media piece that was sympathetic to Antifa. Sky News are nothing like the channel that started....When they were like Fox News that provided conservatives with a British TV news station....and now there isn't one.

As for people needing to take off their 'rose tinted specs' Ex.....perhaps it's yourself you needs to buy themselves some glasses to see these things for what they are.

Edited by Stirlingsays (13 Apr 2020 1.05pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

SavoyTruffle 13 Apr 20 1.44pm
Originally posted by dynamicdick Starmer is political points scoring and yes he is in the main raising the PPE issue now for ‘future enquiry’ . This is where the political points scoring comes into play. The ‘unity’ thing is a smoke screen. On the whole the Government are doing a good job on what is a massive job and at least Starmer is right in saying these are unprecedented times. Nightingale London was put together at incredible speed and I don’t think I have heard any praise for the Government from the opposition of the media who need to be more responsible and less pedantic in their questioning, especially Sky who are more left wing than the BBC. All labour could offer was criticism of the alleged price being paid to ADNOC (Abu Dhabi owners) but nothing about the fact that the Birmingham equivalent has been offered for nothing. Finally, every Country in the World is trying to buy PPE and in huge volumes which, has and still is making our procurement difficult and with it the probable extortionate prices having to be paid. It’s easy to be the opposition not having to make the big decisions. *Citation needed Naturally assume that if a Labour government were in this position and the U.K. were on route to potentially have the most deaths in Europe you would afford them this kind of generous wiggle room... The ‘unity’ thing wasn’t raised by me initially, and I agree it is a smokescreen, one that is used as a way of saying ‘don’t criticise us at the moment, the country needs to be together’ There’s a reason the government didn’t send any representatives to the press this morning and it’s because they have questions they can’t provide answers to and it’s easier to hark back to a sort of Dunkirk spirit we should all be pulling together. It’s as if to say, scrutiny makes the governments role harder in some way... You can’t raise these things without being political unfortunately, people dying, people losing jobs, the economy tanking, these are all political. It’s literally the leader of the opposition’s job to do this. Over the course of the next few years (or however long he lasts) I will undoubtedly have serious complaints about Starmer, just as a did with Corbyn, May, Milliband, Cameron, Brown and Blair. The current infallible treatment Johnson’s government receives from sections of the press and some posters on here is somewhat astounding. Your post offers criticism of the media, the opposition, PPE manufactures / sellers price gauging, but no critical view at all at what the governments role in this might be. I’m not suggesting anyone should be a cheerleader for the Labour Party, but evaluate what is going on in the world with some form of objective view and our governments role so far, why is it we are receiving donations of PPE and ventilators from Turkey and Germany respectively, why are these nations in a position to do so while we are scratching around for everything we can get? I appreciate this is a thread on Starmer and I have gone off track into a more general Corona post but it’s Easter Monday so allow me to indulge. Hope all are safe out there, that is the most important of all!

SavoyTruffle

13 Apr 20 1.44pm

Originally posted by dynamicdick

Starmer is political points scoring and yes he is in the main raising the PPE issue now for ‘future enquiry’ . This is where the political points scoring comes into play.
The ‘unity’ thing is a smoke screen. On the whole the Government are doing a good job on what is a massive job and at least Starmer is right in saying these are unprecedented times.
Nightingale London was put together at incredible speed and I don’t think I have heard any praise for the Government from the opposition of the media who need to be more responsible and less pedantic in their questioning, especially Sky who are more left wing than the BBC. All labour could offer was criticism of the alleged price being paid to ADNOC (Abu Dhabi owners) but nothing about the fact that the Birmingham equivalent has been offered for nothing.
Finally, every Country in the World is trying to buy PPE and in huge volumes which, has and still is making our procurement difficult and with it the probable extortionate prices having to be paid.
It’s easy to be the opposition not having to make the big decisions.

*Citation needed

Naturally assume that if a Labour government were in this position and the U.K. were on route to potentially have the most deaths in Europe you would afford them this kind of generous wiggle room...

The ‘unity’ thing wasn’t raised by me initially, and I agree it is a smokescreen, one that is used as a way of saying ‘don’t criticise us at the moment, the country needs to be together’
There’s a reason the government didn’t send any representatives to the press this morning and it’s because they have questions they can’t provide answers to and it’s easier to hark back to a sort of Dunkirk spirit we should all be pulling together. It’s as if to say, scrutiny makes the governments role harder in some way...

You can’t raise these things without being political unfortunately, people dying, people losing jobs, the economy tanking, these are all political. It’s literally the leader of the opposition’s job to do this.

Over the course of the next few years (or however long he lasts) I will undoubtedly have serious complaints about Starmer, just as a did with Corbyn, May, Milliband, Cameron, Brown and Blair. The current infallible treatment Johnson’s government receives from sections of the press and some posters on here is somewhat astounding. Your post offers criticism of the media, the opposition, PPE manufactures / sellers price gauging, but no critical view at all at what the governments role in this might be.

I’m not suggesting anyone should be a cheerleader for the Labour Party, but evaluate what is going on in the world with some form of objective view and our governments role so far, why is it we are receiving donations of PPE and ventilators from Turkey and Germany respectively, why are these nations in a position to do so while we are scratching around for everything we can get?

I appreciate this is a thread on Starmer and I have gone off track into a more general Corona post but it’s Easter Monday so allow me to indulge.

Hope all are safe out there, that is the most important of all!

Stirlingsays 13 Apr 20 1.54pm
Originally posted by SavoyTruffle *Citation needed Naturally assume that if a Labour government were in this position and the U.K. were on route to potentially have the most deaths in Europe you would afford them this kind of generous wiggle room... The ‘unity’ thing wasn’t raised by me initially, and I agree it is a smokescreen, one that is used as a way of saying ‘don’t criticise us at the moment, the country needs to be together’ There’s a reason the government didn’t send any representatives to the press this morning and it’s because they have questions they can’t provide answers to and it’s easier to hark back to a sort of Dunkirk spirit we should all be pulling together. It’s as if to say, scrutiny makes the governments role harder in some way... You can’t raise these things without being political unfortunately, people dying, people losing jobs, the economy tanking, these are all political. It’s literally the leader of the opposition’s job to do this. Over the course of the next few years (or however long he lasts) I will undoubtedly have serious complaints about Starmer, just as a did with Corbyn, May, Milliband, Cameron, Brown and Blair. The current infallible treatment Johnson’s government receives from sections of the press and some posters on here is somewhat astounding. Your post offers criticism of the media, the opposition, PPE manufactures / sellers price gauging, but no critical view at all at what the governments role in this might be. I’m not suggesting anyone should be a cheerleader for the Labour Party, but evaluate what is going on in the world with some form of objective view and our governments role so far, why is it we are receiving donations of PPE and ventilators from Turkey and Germany respectively, why are these nations in a position to do so while we are scratching around for everything we can get? I appreciate this is a thread on Starmer and I have gone off track into a more general Corona post but it’s Easter Monday so allow me to indulge. Hope all are safe out there, that is the most important of all! It's the job of the opposition to scrutinize the government. To be fair to Starmer he's recognised the difficulty of the times. However, just I differ with the government's approach to this crises I differ with Starmer's. I'm fully aware that when the economic pain arrives that Starmer will use that to attack the government, when in reality, his party would have probably spent even more....and no doubt when people go back to work he'll be attacking saying they should remain off. It's a mixed bag....Labour are under no obligation to support the government. That said, politics doesn't have to be as dirty as it is. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

13 Apr 20 1.54pm

Originally posted by SavoyTruffle

*Citation needed

Naturally assume that if a Labour government were in this position and the U.K. were on route to potentially have the most deaths in Europe you would afford them this kind of generous wiggle room...

I appreciate this is a thread on Starmer and I have gone off track into a more general Corona post but it’s Easter Monday so allow me to indulge.

Hope all are safe out there, that is the most important of all!

It's the job of the opposition to scrutinize the government. To be fair to Starmer he's recognised the difficulty of the times.

However, just I differ with the government's approach to this crises I differ with Starmer's.

I'm fully aware that when the economic pain arrives that Starmer will use that to attack the government, when in reality, his party would have probably spent even more....and no doubt when people go back to work he'll be attacking saying they should remain off.

It's a mixed bag....Labour are under no obligation to support the government. That said, politics doesn't have to be as dirty as it is.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

ex hibitionist Hastings 13 Apr 20 2.16pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Errrr....they had a news media piece that was sympathetic to Antifa. Sky News are nothing like the channel that started....When they were like Fox News that provided conservatives with a British TV news station....and now there isn't one. As for people needing to take off their 'rose tinted specs' Ex.....perhaps it's yourself you needs to buy themselves some glasses to see these things for what they are. Edited by Stirlingsays (13 Apr 2020 1.05pm) I always make sure to put my rosy specs on b4 I read your posts Stirling - the alternative would be too painful

ex hibitionist

Hastings 13 Apr 20 2.16pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

As for people needing to take off their 'rose tinted specs' Ex.....perhaps it's yourself you needs to buy themselves some glasses to see these things for what they are.

Edited by Stirlingsays (13 Apr 2020 1.05pm)

I always make sure to put my rosy specs on b4 I read your posts Stirling - the alternative would be too painful

Stirlingsays 13 Apr 20 2.39pm
Originally posted by ex hibitionist I always make sure to put my rosy specs on b4 I read your posts Stirling - the alternative would be too painful Tis cool. It would be a weird day for an egalitarian to enjoy the views of a nationalist. Edited by Stirlingsays (13 Apr 2020 2.39pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

13 Apr 20 2.39pm

Originally posted by ex hibitionist

I always make sure to put my rosy specs on b4 I read your posts Stirling - the alternative would be too painful

Tis cool.

It would be a weird day for an egalitarian to enjoy the views of a nationalist.

Edited by Stirlingsays (13 Apr 2020 2.39pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

ex hibitionist Hastings 13 Apr 20 3.03pm
I'm not really an egalitarian as such, I've just been shaped by experience having seen so much lions led by donkeys in the work place (I voted for Thatcher in 83 and 87 b4 I grew up) - pay the people who work hard and care properly, and don't spunk money on bureaucrats and stuffed-shirt undead careerist manager clones, and don't set up systems where you have unaccountable leaders - bcos they'll over pay themselves, get their mates in and over pay them, and under pay staff and under invest in resources and only employ people who are either compliant enough or stupid enough to not point out why it's not working. I do believe we have a work culture which weirdly celebrates toadying and bullying more than it does talent and intelligence, make a country to be proud aof nd you'll start seeing some real patriotism, the care and fellowship doing the rounds atm is grounds for hope.

ex hibitionist

Hastings 13 Apr 20 3.03pm

I'm not really an egalitarian as such, I've just been shaped by experience having seen so much lions led by donkeys in the work place (I voted for Thatcher in 83 and 87 b4 I grew up) - pay the people who work hard and care properly, and don't spunk money on bureaucrats and stuffed-shirt undead careerist manager clones, and don't set up systems where you have unaccountable leaders - bcos they'll over pay themselves, get their mates in and over pay them, and under pay staff and under invest in resources and only employ people who are either compliant enough or stupid enough to not point out why it's not working. I do believe we have a work culture which weirdly celebrates toadying and bullying more than it does talent and intelligence, make a country to be proud aof nd you'll start seeing some real patriotism, the care and fellowship doing the rounds atm is grounds for hope.

Stirlingsays 13 Apr 20 3.15pm
Originally posted by ex hibitionist I'm not really an egalitarian as such, I've just been shaped by experience having seen so much lions led by donkeys in the work place (I voted for Thatcher in 83 and 87 b4 I grew up) - pay the people who work hard and care properly, and don't spunk money on bureaucrats and stuffed-shirt undead careerist manager clones, and don't set up systems where you have unaccountable leaders - bcos they'll over pay themselves, get their mates in and over pay them, and under pay staff and under invest in resources and only employ people who are either compliant enough or stupid enough to not point out why it's not working. I do believe we have a work culture which weirdly celebrates toadying and bullying more than it does talent and intelligence, make a country to be proud aof nd you'll start seeing some real patriotism, the care and fellowship doing the rounds atm is grounds for hope. Outside of a few polarised concepts you'd be surprised just how much those in the dissident right and the dissident left agree on....probably as they are both dissatisfied with the system. It's like social conservatives in Islam and social conservatives in the west. On some concepts they sort of agree to an extent....but obviously where they don't it isn't pretty. The further right you go the more authoritarian left on some concepts it tends to get.....which is kind of weird but obvious once you're there. Maybe it happens in reverse I don't know. Edited by Stirlingsays (13 Apr 2020 3.19pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

13 Apr 20 3.15pm

Originally posted by ex hibitionist

Outside of a few polarised concepts you'd be surprised just how much those in the dissident right and the dissident left agree on....probably as they are both dissatisfied with the system.

It's like social conservatives in Islam and social conservatives in the west. On some concepts they sort of agree to an extent....but obviously where they don't it isn't pretty.

The further right you go the more authoritarian left on some concepts it tends to get.....which is kind of weird but obvious once you're there. Maybe it happens in reverse I don't know.

Edited by Stirlingsays (13 Apr 2020 3.19pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

cryrst The garden of England 13 Apr 20 4.57pm
Originally posted by ex hibitionist I'm not really an egalitarian as such, I've just been shaped by experience having seen so much lions led by donkeys in the work place (I voted for Thatcher in 83 and 87 b4 I grew up) - pay the people who work hard and care properly, and don't spunk money on bureaucrats and stuffed-shirt undead careerist manager clones, and don't set up systems where you have unaccountable leaders - bcos they'll over pay themselves, get their mates in and over pay them, and under pay staff and under invest in resources and only employ people who are either compliant enough or stupid enough to not point out why it's not working. I do believe we have a work culture which weirdly celebrates toadying and bullying more than it does talent and intelligence, make a country to be proud aof nd you'll start seeing some real patriotism, the care and fellowship doing the rounds atm is grounds for hope. This post is very similar to one someone posted last year. Unless I'm having a dejavu moment.

cryrst

The garden of England 13 Apr 20 4.57pm

Originally posted by ex hibitionist

This post is very similar to one someone posted last year. Unless I'm having a dejavu moment.

ex hibitionist Hastings 13 Apr 20 5.07pm
Originally posted by cryrst This post is very similar to one someone posted last year. Unless I'm having a dejavu moment. It might not be that much of a coincidence, it's a widely held view that many would call 'truth' rather than left wing activism, the deja vu may be subconscious denial, you agree with everything I say but it leaves a bitter taste.

ex hibitionist

Hastings 13 Apr 20 5.07pm

Originally posted by cryrst

This post is very similar to one someone posted last year. Unless I'm having a dejavu moment.

It might not be that much of a coincidence, it's a widely held view that many would call 'truth' rather than left wing activism, the deja vu may be subconscious denial, you agree with everything I say but it leaves a bitter taste.

Stirlingsays 13 Apr 20 5.45pm
Originally posted by ex hibitionist It might not be that much of a coincidence, it's a widely held view that many would call 'truth' rather than left wing activism, the deja vu may be subconscious denial, you agree with everything I say but it leaves a bitter taste. I think perhaps it's an under statement to say that's stretching it. According with some ideas is not 'everything'. Edited by Stirlingsays (13 Apr 2020 5.45pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

13 Apr 20 5.45pm

Originally posted by ex hibitionist

I think perhaps it's an under statement to say that's stretching it.

According with some ideas is not 'everything'.

Edited by Stirlingsays (13 Apr 2020 5.45pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

ex hibitionist Hastings 13 Apr 20 6.34pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays I think perhaps it's an under statement to say that's stretching it. According with some ideas is not 'everything'. Edited by Stirlingsays (13 Apr 2020 5.45pm) I was only joking

ex hibitionist

Hastings 13 Apr 20 6.34pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I think perhaps it's an under statement to say that's stretching it.

According with some ideas is not 'everything'.

Edited by Stirlingsays (13 Apr 2020 5.45pm)

I was only joking

Stirlingsays 13 Apr 20 7.22pm
Originally posted by ex hibitionist I was only joking 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

13 Apr 20 7.22pm

Originally posted by ex hibitionist

I was only joking

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

cryrst The garden of England 14 Apr 20 5.43am
Originally posted by ex hibitionist It might not be that much of a coincidence, it's a widely held view that many would call 'truth' rather than left wing activism, the deja vu may be subconscious denial, you agree with everything I say but it leaves a bitter taste. Maybe it's just me but hierarchy is a requirement in any walk of life. To be real left wing you have to be something of an egalitarian. Funny that you claim not to be then post that. No system is perfect but when a majority are in a good place it's clearly working.

cryrst

The garden of England 14 Apr 20 5.43am

Originally posted by ex hibitionist

Maybe it's just me but hierarchy is a requirement in any walk of life. To be real left wing you have to be something of an egalitarian. Funny that you claim not to be then post that. No system is perfect but when a majority are in a good place it's clearly working.

Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 23 Apr 20 3.30pm
Starmer got a very good review from The Guardian today about Keir's performance in PMQ's v Dominic Raab yesterday. Starmer doesn't put on a media performance, he asks concise and intelligent questions and is able to dissect inadequate answers, was their summary. Refreshing to have the signs of some tangible opposition to the current mess in Government. UK politics has been in dire straights for the last 20 years. Are there some signs for optimism ? Getting rid of Corbyn's disciples was a step in the right direction. I disengage, I turn the page.

Forest Hillbilly

in a hidey-hole 23 Apr 20 3.30pm

Starmer got a very good review from The Guardian today about Keir's performance in PMQ's v Dominic Raab yesterday.
Starmer doesn't put on a media performance, he asks concise and intelligent questions and is able to dissect inadequate answers, was their summary.

Refreshing to have the signs of some tangible opposition to the current mess in Government.
UK politics has been in dire straights for the last 20 years. Are there some signs for optimism ?
Getting rid of Corbyn's disciples was a step in the right direction.

I disengage, I turn the page.

cryrst The garden of England 23 Apr 20 4.03pm
Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly Starmer got a very good review from The Guardian today about Keir's performance in PMQ's v Dominic Raab yesterday. Starmer doesn't put on a media performance, he asks concise and intelligent questions and is able to dissect inadequate answers, was their summary. Refreshing to have the signs of some tangible opposition to the current mess in Government. UK politics has been in dire straights for the last 20 years. Are there some signs for optimism ? Getting rid of Corbyn's disciples was a step in the right direction. Asking questions and taking statements apart is his actual job prior to being an MP. The key will be having solutions to issues he highlights. That will answer questions about his ability as the shadow leader. I dont think it will be anytime soon though. I also beleive getting rid of jc's mob is going to be more difficult. RLB is a fly in the ointment. He has to move more central but overall having a bit stronger opposition will mean the tories will have to up their game. Not on the covid as I think that is separate but once we are away from that it will be everyday issues which will show if KS has what it takes. I'm sure though that PMQs will be interesting once boris is back firing.

cryrst

The garden of England 23 Apr 20 4.03pm

Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly

Asking questions and taking statements apart is his actual job prior to being an MP. The key will be having solutions to issues he highlights. That will answer questions about his ability as the shadow leader. I dont think it will be anytime soon though. I also beleive getting rid of jc's mob is going to be more difficult. RLB is a fly in the ointment. He has to move more central but overall having a bit stronger opposition will mean the tories will have to up their game. Not on the covid as I think that is separate but once we are away from that it will be everyday issues which will show if KS has what it takes. I'm sure though that PMQs will be interesting once boris is back firing.

ex hibitionist Hastings 23 Apr 20 10.56pm
it just occurred to me that a spoonerism of Kier Starmer is steer calmer which could turn out to be almost significant

ex hibitionist

Hastings 23 Apr 20 10.56pm

it just occurred to me that a spoonerism of Kier Starmer is steer calmer which could turn out to be almost significant

Teddy Eagle 23 Apr 20 10.58pm
Originally posted by ex hibitionist it just occurred to me that a spoonerism of Kier Starmer is steer calmer which could turn out to be almost significant Depends how many steers need calming.

Teddy Eagle

23 Apr 20 10.58pm

Originally posted by ex hibitionist

it just occurred to me that a spoonerism of Kier Starmer is steer calmer which could turn out to be almost significant

Depends how many steers need calming.

Midlands Eagle 29 Apr 20 12.50pm
Just watched the second Raab Starmer head to head at PMQs and it struck me that both men are probably thoroughly decent human beings which is very unusual nowadays

Midlands Eagle

29 Apr 20 12.50pm

Just watched the second Raab Starmer head to head at PMQs and it struck me that both men are probably thoroughly decent human beings which is very unusual nowadays

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