For information (latest information I could find):

Number of legally male prisoners who identify as female, in female estates across England and Wales, 2018 and 2019

2018 9
2019 0

Surely if the SNP have their way, no transwoman will be legally male?

Which is probably why the information you quoted for England and Wales looks different from the information for Scotland. Albeit yes, some transwomen will remain legally male. Trans people aged 16 and older applying for a Gender Recognition Certificate (GRC) will be required to make a legally binding declaration that they are already living in their acquired gender and intend to do so permanently.

The Scottish Bill includes safeguards against misuse of the system. It will be a criminal offence for applicants to make a false application. A new statutory aggravator and a risk based approach in relation to sex offences strengthen these protections. It is a Bill that has been deeply considered and well prepared, despite the mucky nonsense spouted by some.

When Nicola Sturgeon stated:

that the Scottish Parliament’s gender reform legislation “doesn’t in any way change the system” which determines what prison transgender criminals are sent to.

and also stated that a trans woman has no automatic right to be housed in a female prison, but will be housed according to a risk assessment as is standard, did you not believe her?

Or do you have some kind of personal agenda?

Edited by Mapletree (27 Jan 2023 12.39pm)

But self-identification is just that. Self. How do you 'define' a woman? What is a false application?

Hence why this utter nonsense falls down at the first serious hurdle. How do you define what a 'trans' woman is?

Are you in England/Wales or Scotland? Do you have gender dysphoria? Or 'asking for a friend'?

To gain a Gender Recognition Certificate here is what you will need to do in any of the Home countries, put in place in 2004.

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Here are the proposed changes from Scotland

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Edited by Mapletree (27 Jan 2023 3.39pm)

Edited by Mapletree (27 Jan 2023 3.39pm)

Don't be daft, prisoners in general are criminals.

I guess you don't understand the effect of a statutory aggravator.

The point, for the hard of thinking, is that when a Trans person enters any prison they are subject to a risk assessment. Where they are a potential danger they will likely have prior sexual offences history and will be treated as such.

MOJ stats show 76 of the 129 male-born prisoners identifying as transgender (0.16% of the prison population) have at least 1 conviction of sexual offence.

In case they should find a way (and wish) to re-offend in prison, their punishment will be considerably greater than it would have been due to the aggravator. Of itself that doesn't stop offending in prison but may be an additional deterrent.

It would be interesting to understand why people care so much. 76 people in prisons that need a special eye kept. Maybe the general public just found sympathy for prisoners, victims of society etc. Or maybe it's in the interests of those with big voices to make a fuss. Just saying.

Divide 76 by 129.

I agree that we need safe spaces for women. Should we say that all trans women aren’t allowed into them, even post gender reassignment surgery? They are a pretty vulnerable group.

If people make safety arguments they should have the answers here. We have haphazard data. The incomplete information we have leads to trans women as a group are more of a threat than men.

Real pictures?

So over 50% of trans women have committed sexual crimes? A figure that is higher than males and females. Trans women are more of threat to females than males. Why?

Whats the offending figure for those undergoing reassignment surgery?

On the basis of males being a threat to women males are not allowed in female only spaces.

Why are single sex spaces being compromised for trans women who present more threat as a group?

Edited by Pembroke (29 Jan 2023 9.27am)