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 Midlands Eagle  02 Sep 19 1.59pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
The principles of our democracy are vested solely in our Parliament. No referendum plays any kind of role. Our Parliament committed to honour that result and triggered Article 50. Our Parliament can withdraw that commitment and repeal Article 50 if, in the light of subsequent events, they consider it is in our best interests to do so. If parliament tries to repeal Article 50 the resulting demonstrations will make the current unrest in Hong Kong look like a barn dance
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 02 Sep 19 2.01pm |
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Wow you are deluded if you think a further delay is either honorable or will result in less division in this country. No amount of "peoples votes" or "governments of national unity" or whatever ****ing spin you put on ignoring a democratic vote is going to change anything now. We either withdraw without a deal and get on with our lives or (as I suspect will happen) Boris puts liptstick on the WA and gets it through parliament and we go down a road of further division, delay and probably escalating civil unrest. Though it's difficult to know where remainers can go now with the rhetoric now that everyone is a nazi/fascist who doesn't agree with them although we've already had one person suggest that leavers should be gassed. It's the politicians, institutions and mainstream media who have a lot to answer for. Originally posted by W12
Edited by W12 (02 Sep 2019 12.41pm) There is so much that is wrong there that I simply don't have the time to pick through it all and explain why right now. In short I really don't think you comprehend how British Parliamentary Democracy actually works. We don't operate a dictatorship where one group's views dominate just because they "won" a small majority some years ago in a flawed plebiscite on a subject everyone now understands much better. We operate a representative democracy in which we pay people to think and act on our behalf.
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| steeleye20 Croydon 02 Sep 19 2.02pm |
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
If parliament tries to repeal Article 50 the resulting demonstrations will make the current unrest in Hong Kong look like a barn dance Really bring it on. Empty threats from the bunker.
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| W12 02 Sep 19 2.17pm | |
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Originally posted by furrybloke
Personally I don't want a GE Lets just put the decision to the people. Final deal With no change for at least a decade Then we can get on with everything else. A GE between Bojo & JC is like choosing between the Devil & the Deep Blue Sea, most likely we end up with another hung parliament & more years of this Bollox. Just get it done & put to bed one way or another. I understand why Boris is prepared to go for no deal from a negotiating position, but he has shot himself by closing parliament for so long. Final deal 32% Then what happens?
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| Badger11 Beckenham 02 Sep 19 2.31pm |
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Originally posted by furrybloke
Personally I don't want a GE Lets just put the decision to the people. Final deal With no change for at least a decade Then we can get on with everything else. A GE between Bojo & JC is like choosing between the Devil & the Deep Blue Sea, most likely we end up with another hung parliament & more years of this Bollox. Just get it done & put to bed one way or another. I understand why Boris is prepared to go for no deal from a negotiating position, but he has shot himself by closing parliament for so long. There are a number of problems that I see with holding a 2nd referendum. 1. The question. Whatever the question is some people will be upset and claim it's not fair. So for me a GE is the best of 2 evils. If we have one I hope that the winning side has a good majority even if that means it's Corbyn. The worst result will be another hung Parliament.
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| Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 02 Sep 19 2.34pm |
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Originally posted by Badger11
There are a number of problems that I see with holding a 2nd referendum. 1. The question. Whatever the question is some people will be upset and claim it's not fair. So for me a GE is the best of 2 evils. If we have one I hope that the winning side has a good majority even if that means it's Corbyn. The worst result will be another hung Parliament. God forbid.
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| Matov 02 Sep 19 2.35pm |
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Originally posted by furrybloke
Personally I don't want a GE Lets just put the decision to the people. Final deal What justification is there for a Remain option? Remain lost. It's done. Over. You don't get a second bite at the cherry. Varients of Leave then perhaps there is an argument to be made but Remain is simply not an option.
"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell. |
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| Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 02 Sep 19 2.42pm |
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Originally posted by Matov
What justification is there for a Remain option? Remain lost. It's done. Over. You don't get a second bite at the cherry. Varients of Leave then perhaps there is an argument to be made but Remain is simply not an option.
Wise words indeed.
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| Badger11 Beckenham 02 Sep 19 2.45pm |
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Originally posted by Willo
God forbid. I agree I don't want it but I also believe in strong government and Parliament needs an enema to get things going. I'm not surprised there are plenty of sh*ts in there already. I am confident that if we get a GE Boris will win with a decent majority.
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| W12 02 Sep 19 2.45pm | |
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Originally posted by Willo
Wise words indeed. Nice tun of phrase - Rees-Mogg award of the day
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| Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 02 Sep 19 2.49pm |
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Originally posted by Badger11
I agree I don't want it but I also believe in strong government and Parliament needs an enema to get things going. I'm not surprised there are plenty of sh*ts in there already. I am confident that if we get a GE Boris will win with a decent majority. Tony Blair, said an early election was an "elephant trap", and Boris Johnson could win such a vote as "some may fear a Corbyn premiership more" than a no-deal Brexit.
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| Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 02 Sep 19 2.53pm |
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Originally posted by W12
Nice tun of phrase - Rees-Mogg award of the day
Thank you kindly. Jacob Rees-Mogg is far more articulate than 'Yours truly'.He is a man of articulacy and personal charm.
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| Lyons550 Shirley 02 Sep 19 3.02pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Mark Carney did not "change his mind". That was just the spin of the right wing press. He updated his emphasis. GENIUS
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| furrybloke Hemel Hempstead 02 Sep 19 3.05pm |
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Originally posted by Matov
What justification is there for a Remain option? Remain lost. It's done. Over. You don't get a second bite at the cherry. Varients of Leave then perhaps there is an argument to be made but Remain is simply not an option.
Why not have it on the ballot if you don't like the deal or no deal you can change your mind 3 choices make the argument for or against each. Why is remain not an option? They lost but if the deal on offer or no deal is not what you want regardless of how you voted why not give people the option.
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| steeleye20 Croydon 02 Sep 19 3.07pm |
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JC could win an election on a remain ticket. It would also rule out more referendums. The polls pretty constant with remain at 56%.
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| furrybloke Hemel Hempstead 02 Sep 19 3.09pm |
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Originally posted by Badger11
There are a number of problems that I see with holding a 2nd referendum. 1. The question. Whatever the question is some people will be upset and claim it's not fair. So for me a GE is the best of 2 evils. If we have one I hope that the winning side has a good majority even if that means it's Corbyn. The worst result will be another hung Parliament. No one can solve the argument, but a least if you vote leave you know what you are voting for. A GE now is solely on Brexit, that is no good for anyone regardless of your vote leave/remain or red/blue
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| furrybloke Hemel Hempstead 02 Sep 19 3.10pm |
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Originally posted by Badger11
There are a number of problems that I see with holding a 2nd referendum. 1. The question. Whatever the question is some people will be upset and claim it's not fair. So for me a GE is the best of 2 evils. If we have one I hope that the winning side has a good majority even if that means it's Corbyn. The worst result will be another hung Parliament. 2 string question, not saying I have every answer. Leave/Remain Let the people make the choice now you have seen the deal & heard the arguments.
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| furrybloke Hemel Hempstead 02 Sep 19 3.11pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
JC could win an election on a remain ticket. It would also rule out more referendums. The polls pretty constant with remain at 56%. Now that is scary s***
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