Probably the one thing against her in terms of the leadership. People might consider her somewhat lacking in gravitas.

But for my money the next leader of the Labour Party has to give up on actually leading the opposition because it is pointless given the majority the Tories. Instead, they have to rebuild Labour in the North.

In less than 5 years time (May 2024 I suspect) they will have to fight another election and if they stand a chance (and it only takes 4% swing) to take away the Tory majority, they need those northern seats back in the fold. I simply cannot see any of the others possessing that given how tainted they are with this current defeat.

To easy to bring that up, time and time again. Where as Nandy can brush it all off because she was vocal in opposing much of it.

More I think about it, she is the only real choice. She wont get it because there is a stitch up going on but that just goes to show how f***ed Labour are.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

Angela Rayner interrupts people and conservatives speaking and debating on issues most of the traditional labour but now conservative voters agree on. She spits ‘disgusting’ at them and caused this result. If someone is disgusting then they deserve it, but people with concerns and controls on immigration haven’t ruined your life, sh@gged their wife’s sister, best friend or secretary. They’ve represented people’s views, that’s all. She doesn’t. Her it is then. They’re popping up all over the tv all week. MPs, activists, anyone stubborn, bitter and delusional.

COYP

She looks like she lacks that ability to go toe to toe. Looks and sounds fragile. Maybe as leader it’ll give her that extra bit of belief and confidence but I don’t see it currently. All of the previous prime ministers have shown plenty of confidence in opposition or in waiting. You don’t get that feeling with her. I also feel they should have someone who appeals to the mother vote like Blair did. I think Caroline flint would appeal to a lot of mothers.

Lisa Nandy looks like she’s been upset at school because someone’s called her a nasty name. The hissing only goes so far. People and middle England need a brighter and more hopeful delivery than just criticism, doom and gloom. There’s ways of addressing that if that’s the issue, without the lugubrious delivery.

COYP

Where's Gloria De Piero when she's needed...i'd vote labour if she was their leader!

The Voice of Reason In An Otherwise Mediocre World

Labour seem to believe that their huge election defeat was because the general public didn't understand their message.

However their huge election defeat occurred because the general public absolutely understood their message and voted accordingly.

Their new leader should be someone that grasps that simple fact.

It doesn't appear that any of the current candidates do.

Richard Burgon on Politics Live today was hilarious. He just couldn't see that Corbyn was the problem and even stated JC should have sued The Sun for the lies they posted about him. When asked by the bloke from The Sun if JC had invited Gerry Adams to Parliament 4 days after the Brighton bombing, he refused to answer.
Total k***

Burgon for leader.

Is he fast becoming the biggest t*** in the Labour Party?

Some people are predicting the demise of the Labour party...Blair issuing warnings..I think that's all a bit dramatic and that it's always easy to over-read these things.

Personalities play a big part in elections and this time around you had a popular Tory leader and an unpopular Labour one.

It doesn't change the equation much with the parties though as essentially it's difficult to see Labour winning again while they espouse these social and economic policies with a dud leader.

Unless they emerge with a popular new leader or Johnson steps down or keels over.....it looks set fair for now.

Edited by Stirlingsays (18 Dec 2019 9.07pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

A question for those of you who delve more deeper than I do.

In 2017 we were told the yuff turned out for Corbyn I would be interested to know if those same voters 2 years older changed their mind in any great numbers.

My politics changed massively from my first election in 1979 to the next in 1983.

Anyway I suspect that the pollsters are still delving into the details but it would be interesting to know.

One more point

I think that many of them probably didn't bother to vote this time as it was raining