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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 03 Sep 19 8.35am
Originally posted by Midlands Eagle True but I'm also looking forward to Boris's first PMQs tomorrow Indeed ! But I suspect that Corbyn isn't looking forward to it !

Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 03 Sep 19 8.35am

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

True but I'm also looking forward to Boris's first PMQs tomorrow

Indeed !
But I suspect that Corbyn isn't looking forward to it !

Badger11 Beckenham 03 Sep 19 8.54am
Justin Greening to stand down at the next GE. One down.... Counting the days until Anna Soubry gets hers. One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 03 Sep 19 8.54am

Justin Greening to stand down at the next GE.

One down....

Counting the days until Anna Soubry gets hers.

One more point

Mapletree Croydon 03 Sep 19 9.02am
Originally posted by Badger11 Justin Greening to stand down at the next GE. One down.... Counting the days until Anna Soubry gets hers. Justine. She can now go into turbo maverick mode

Mapletree

Croydon 03 Sep 19 9.02am

Originally posted by Badger11

Justin Greening to stand down at the next GE.

One down....

Counting the days until Anna Soubry gets hers.

Justine.

She can now go into turbo maverick mode

Badger11 Beckenham 03 Sep 19 9.09am
Originally posted by Mapletree Justine. She can now go into turbo maverick mode Indeed nothing to hold the rebels back now. As another club's fans say "let em all come down the Den" Time for MPs to stand up and be counted I would rather face my enemies than have them behind me. Greening, Clarke, Hammond et al will vote against the government and must face the consequences. Edited by Badger11 (03 Sep 2019 9.09am) One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 03 Sep 19 9.09am

Originally posted by Mapletree

Justine.

She can now go into turbo maverick mode

Indeed nothing to hold the rebels back now. As another club's fans say "let em all come down the Den"

Time for MPs to stand up and be counted I would rather face my enemies than have them behind me.

Greening, Clarke, Hammond et al will vote against the government and must face the consequences.

Edited by Badger11 (03 Sep 2019 9.09am)

One more point

Rudi Hedman Caterham 03 Sep 19 9.11am
Originally posted by Badger11 Today's the day. I am confident that Corbyn will win his vote with the help of about 11 Tory MPs and the rest of the opposition. I actually think that Johnson will be better off losing this vote. If by some miracle he did win it still means that the opposition could continue to come up with other ways to block Brexit which they may win. Time to lance the boil. Johnson will then ask parliament for a GE on 14 Oct which needs 3/4 of the house to vote for (not abstain). Corbyn said last night bring it on, he's a Martini boy any time any place, fair enough. One fly in the ointment some Labour Remain MPs are saying that will only agree to a GE after Oct 31 meaning they want an extension to Jan 21 before they will agree to a GE. I would be surprised if that is Labour's official policy the whole point of holding the election on Oct 14 is for the public to have their say those who don't support a GE after complaining about democracy being in danger will look rather stupid. Remain MP’s are worried Boris will move the GE to November 7th after leaving without a deal on 31st October. Trouble is without doing this or the EU facing this as well, we’ll have this keep going on. COYP

Rudi Hedman

Caterham 03 Sep 19 9.11am

Originally posted by Badger11

Today's the day.

I am confident that Corbyn will win his vote with the help of about 11 Tory MPs and the rest of the opposition. I actually think that Johnson will be better off losing this vote. If by some miracle he did win it still means that the opposition could continue to come up with other ways to block Brexit which they may win. Time to lance the boil.

Johnson will then ask parliament for a GE on 14 Oct which needs 3/4 of the house to vote for (not abstain).

Corbyn said last night bring it on, he's a Martini boy any time any place, fair enough.

One fly in the ointment some Labour Remain MPs are saying that will only agree to a GE after Oct 31 meaning they want an extension to Jan 21 before they will agree to a GE.

I would be surprised if that is Labour's official policy the whole point of holding the election on Oct 14 is for the public to have their say those who don't support a GE after complaining about democracy being in danger will look rather stupid.

Remain MP’s are worried Boris will move the GE to November 7th after leaving without a deal on 31st October. Trouble is without doing this or the EU facing this as well, we’ll have this keep going on.

COYP

Rudi Hedman Caterham 03 Sep 19 9.19am
Originally posted by Badger11 Justin Greening to stand down at the next GE. One down.... Counting the days until Anna Soubry gets hers. Is Conservative perfect pleasurable Putney a remain constituency? If so, her (planned/threatened) principled resignation holds more weight. 72% remain I think. All concerns and negatives out of sight and mind. Edited by Rudi Hedman (03 Sep 2019 9.22am) COYP

Rudi Hedman

Caterham 03 Sep 19 9.19am

Originally posted by Badger11

Justin Greening to stand down at the next GE.

One down....

Counting the days until Anna Soubry gets hers.

Is Conservative perfect pleasurable Putney a remain constituency?

If so, her (planned/threatened) principled resignation holds more weight.

72% remain I think. All concerns and negatives out of sight and mind.

Edited by Rudi Hedman (03 Sep 2019 9.22am)

COYP

jeeagles 03 Sep 19 9.42am
Originally posted by Badger11 Unbelievable Shami leather the shadow attorney General has just confirmed that Labour will only support a GE post 31 Oct. So let me get this straight. All those MPs and protesters claiming our democracy is under threat and the poeple must decide, now they have an opportunity to "save" their democracy they don't want it. You can't make this up. Edited by Badger11 (03 Sep 2019 8.33am) She also repeatedly claimed Boris was a thug and an young female adviser was marched out of number 10 at gunpoint. Later she backed down and said it was a policeman, who had a gun. Pretty bad accusations for any MP to make, crazy coming from the Shadow Attorney General! There's really no talent in the Labour Party right now.

jeeagles

03 Sep 19 9.42am

Originally posted by Badger11

Unbelievable Shami leather the shadow attorney General has just confirmed that Labour will only support a GE post 31 Oct.

So let me get this straight. All those MPs and protesters claiming our democracy is under threat and the poeple must decide, now they have an opportunity to "save" their democracy they don't want it.

You can't make this up.

Edited by Badger11 (03 Sep 2019 8.33am)

She also repeatedly claimed Boris was a thug and an young female adviser was marched out of number 10 at gunpoint.

Later she backed down and said it was a policeman, who had a gun.

Pretty bad accusations for any MP to make, crazy coming from the Shadow Attorney General!

There's really no talent in the Labour Party right now.

Badger11 Beckenham 03 Sep 19 9.45am
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman Remain MP’s are worried Boris will move the GE to November 7th after leaving without a deal on 31st October. Trouble is without doing this or the EU facing this as well, we’ll have this keep going on. I would be as well. The GE has to be 14 Oct to allow the new government time to act. I don't believe that Boris would do that and I am sure that guarantees can be given. One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 03 Sep 19 9.45am

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Remain MP’s are worried Boris will move the GE to November 7th after leaving without a deal on 31st October. Trouble is without doing this or the EU facing this as well, we’ll have this keep going on.

I would be as well. The GE has to be 14 Oct to allow the new government time to act. I don't believe that Boris would do that and I am sure that guarantees can be given.

One more point

Badger11 Beckenham 03 Sep 19 9.48am
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman Is Conservative perfect pleasurable Putney a remain constituency? If so, her (planned/threatened) principled resignation holds more weight. 72% remain I think. All concerns and negatives out of sight and mind. Edited by Rudi Hedman (03 Sep 2019 9.22am) Yes Justin Greening is a remain Tory in a remain constituency however at the last GE her majority was just 1,500. I think she realises that the best case scenario for her is a back bench MP in a Boris government. Worst case she loses her seat. As she was a government minister I suspect she is not interested in being a back bench MP. One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 03 Sep 19 9.48am

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Is Conservative perfect pleasurable Putney a remain constituency?

If so, her (planned/threatened) principled resignation holds more weight.

72% remain I think. All concerns and negatives out of sight and mind.

Edited by Rudi Hedman (03 Sep 2019 9.22am)

Yes Justin Greening is a remain Tory in a remain constituency however at the last GE her majority was just 1,500.

I think she realises that the best case scenario for her is a back bench MP in a Boris government. Worst case she loses her seat. As she was a government minister I suspect she is not interested in being a back bench MP.

One more point

jeeagles 03 Sep 19 9.49am
Originally posted by Badger11 Yup agree with most of this. Leaders seize the initiative every time Corbyn makes a move Johnson makes a counter move to put him on the back foot. Still all to play but right now my money is on Johnson. [Link] Others have worked it out, but opponents of Corbyn within the party are just branded thugs, racist, or war criminals (sometimes this might be true, but it doesn't always discount the point they are making).

jeeagles

03 Sep 19 9.49am

Originally posted by Badger11

Yup agree with most of this. Leaders seize the initiative every time Corbyn makes a move Johnson makes a counter move to put him on the back foot.

Still all to play but right now my money is on Johnson.

[Link]

Others have worked it out, but opponents of Corbyn within the party are just branded thugs, racist, or war criminals (sometimes this might be true, but it doesn't always discount the point they are making).

Badger11 Beckenham 03 Sep 19 9.52am
Originally posted by jeeagles She also repeatedly claimed Boris was a thug and an young female adviser was marched out of number 10 at gunpoint. Later she backed down and said it was a policeman, who had a gun. Pretty bad accusations for any MP to make, crazy coming from the Shadow Attorney General! There's really no talent in the Labour Party right now. I hadn't heard that although I am not surprised this coming from the woman who wrote a whitewash report on anti-Semitism in return for a peerage. I often wondered why the Tory government agreed to her elevation and then I realised it was such an obvious back room favour by Corbyn it destroyed her credibility. If she had any real political common sense she would have told Corbyn to delay it for 1 year to avoid the elephant trap. Instead she is damaged goods. Edited by Badger11 (03 Sep 2019 9.53am) One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 03 Sep 19 9.52am

Originally posted by jeeagles

She also repeatedly claimed Boris was a thug and an young female adviser was marched out of number 10 at gunpoint.

Later she backed down and said it was a policeman, who had a gun.

Pretty bad accusations for any MP to make, crazy coming from the Shadow Attorney General!

There's really no talent in the Labour Party right now.

I hadn't heard that although I am not surprised this coming from the woman who wrote a whitewash report on anti-Semitism in return for a peerage. I often wondered why the Tory government agreed to her elevation and then I realised it was such an obvious back room favour by Corbyn it destroyed her credibility.

If she had any real political common sense she would have told Corbyn to delay it for 1 year to avoid the elephant trap. Instead she is damaged goods.

Edited by Badger11 (03 Sep 2019 9.53am)

One more point

Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 03 Sep 19 9.56am
Originally posted by Badger11 Yes Justin Greening is a remain Tory in a remain constituency however at the last GE her majority was just 1,500. I think she realises that the best case scenario for her is a back bench MP in a Boris government. Worst case she loses her seat. As she was a government minister I suspect she is not interested in being a back bench MP. Substantially reduced from the General Elections in 2010 and 2015 when she enjoyed majorities of about 10,000 on both occasions.

Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 03 Sep 19 9.56am

Originally posted by Badger11

Yes Justin Greening is a remain Tory in a remain constituency however at the last GE her majority was just 1,500.

Substantially reduced from the General Elections in 2010 and 2015 when she enjoyed majorities of about 10,000 on both occasions.

Badger11 Beckenham 03 Sep 19 10.02am
Originally posted by jeeagles [Link] Others have worked it out, but opponents of Corbyn within the party are just branded thugs, racist, or war criminals (sometimes this might be true, but it doesn't always discount the point they are making). The greatest power a PM use to have was the right to call a GE at a time that suited them. That was removed in 2011 and yes I agree there is something of a trap here but what is the altrenative? Corbyn is 70 so his time as leader / PM will be limited. If he avoids a GE now then all this talk of Johnson destroying democracy will look pretty silly especially as he has been calling for a GE weekly for the past year. Governments don't win elections they lose them so yes Johnson has the upper hand however I feel for Corbyn it is now or never. His ratings are dropping all the time as he prevaricates on everything. If I were Corbyn I would accept the challenge and go all out for the Remain vote. If he fails at least he can say he went down all guns blazing if he delays he may lose his job without a shot even being fired. One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 03 Sep 19 10.02am

Originally posted by jeeagles

[Link]

The greatest power a PM use to have was the right to call a GE at a time that suited them. That was removed in 2011 and yes I agree there is something of a trap here but what is the altrenative?

Corbyn is 70 so his time as leader / PM will be limited. If he avoids a GE now then all this talk of Johnson destroying democracy will look pretty silly especially as he has been calling for a GE weekly for the past year.

Governments don't win elections they lose them so yes Johnson has the upper hand however I feel for Corbyn it is now or never. His ratings are dropping all the time as he prevaricates on everything.

If I were Corbyn I would accept the challenge and go all out for the Remain vote. If he fails at least he can say he went down all guns blazing if he delays he may lose his job without a shot even being fired.

One more point

furrybloke Hemel Hempstead 03 Sep 19 10.13am
Originally posted by cryrst Ok a simple question of a new referendum. Two choices. No deal or remain. Would you accept that and take a chance. I would, you have a clear choice on whats on offer.

furrybloke

Hemel Hempstead 03 Sep 19 10.13am

Originally posted by cryrst

Ok a simple question of a new referendum.
Two choices.
No deal or remain.
Would you accept that and take a chance.

I would, you have a clear choice on whats on offer.

chris123 hove actually 03 Sep 19 10.22am
Originally posted by Badger11 The greatest power a PM use to have was the right to call a GE at a time that suited them. That was removed in 2011 and yes I agree there is something of a trap here but what is the altrenative? Corbyn is 70 so his time as leader / PM will be limited. If he avoids a GE now then all this talk of Johnson destroying democracy will look pretty silly especially as he has been calling for a GE weekly for the past year. Governments don't win elections they lose them so yes Johnson has the upper hand however I feel for Corbyn it is now or never. His ratings are dropping all the time as he prevaricates on everything. If I were Corbyn I would accept the challenge and go all out for the Remain vote. If he fails at least he can say he went down all guns blazing if he delays he may lose his job without a shot even being fired. I think Jeremy Corbyn is really an activist & campaigner - not really suited to Government as he prefers instinctively to oppose.

chris123

hove actually 03 Sep 19 10.22am

Originally posted by Badger11

The greatest power a PM use to have was the right to call a GE at a time that suited them. That was removed in 2011 and yes I agree there is something of a trap here but what is the altrenative?

Governments don't win elections they lose them so yes Johnson has the upper hand however I feel for Corbyn it is now or never. His ratings are dropping all the time as he prevaricates on everything.

I think Jeremy Corbyn is really an activist & campaigner - not really suited to Government as he prefers instinctively to oppose.

Rudi Hedman Caterham 03 Sep 19 10.27am
Originally posted by Willo Substantially reduced from the General Elections in 2010 and 2015 when she enjoyed majorities of about 10,000 on both occasions. Champagne socialists. As long as the JAMS’s are kept up by the roundabout off the A3 or in Wandsworth and near Hammersmith. Putney is very very comfy. COYP

Rudi Hedman

Caterham 03 Sep 19 10.27am

Originally posted by Willo

Substantially reduced from the General Elections in 2010 and 2015 when she enjoyed majorities of about 10,000 on both occasions.

Champagne socialists. As long as the JAMS’s are kept up by the roundabout off the A3 or in Wandsworth and near Hammersmith. Putney is very very comfy.

COYP

Rudi Hedman Caterham 03 Sep 19 10.48am
Originally posted by chris123 I think Jeremy Corbyn is really an activist & campaigner - not really suited to Government as he prefers instinctively to oppose. Completely agree. Suits his flock of sheep. COYP

Rudi Hedman

Caterham 03 Sep 19 10.48am

Originally posted by chris123

I think Jeremy Corbyn is really an activist & campaigner - not really suited to Government as he prefers instinctively to oppose.

Completely agree. Suits his flock of sheep.

COYP

Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 03 Sep 19 11.19am
I have been speaking to a few Conservative members and the overall view is that they will cheer from the rafters if Johnson removes the whip from those Tory MPs who don’t back him today.

Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 03 Sep 19 11.19am

I have been speaking to a few Conservative members and the overall view is that they will cheer from the rafters
if Johnson removes the whip from those Tory MPs who don’t back him today.

SpyroCrystal 03 Sep 19 11.32am
Keep an eye out on Boris Johnson. He may flip flop. Nigel needs to be on guard. Big up the Palace!!!!

SpyroCrystal 03 Sep 19 11.32am

Keep an eye out on Boris Johnson. He may flip flop. Nigel needs to be on guard.

Big up the Palace!!!!

Badger11 Beckenham 03 Sep 19 11.53am
Originally posted by SpyroCrystal Keep an eye out on Boris Johnson. He may flip flop. Nigel needs to be on guard. Agreed. Nigel may have a big part to play in any GE. He can sink Labour by hoovering up the Remain vote in the North but he could also damage the Tories as he did in Peterborough. One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 03 Sep 19 11.53am

Originally posted by SpyroCrystal

Keep an eye out on Boris Johnson. He may flip flop. Nigel needs to be on guard.

Agreed.

Nigel may have a big part to play in any GE. He can sink Labour by hoovering up the Remain vote in the North but he could also damage the Tories as he did in Peterborough.

One more point

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