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Mapletree Croydon 03 Sep 19 11.40pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Out of Context!!! I give you a direct quote said directly to the nation, which is a self contained statement that directly contradicts what you said and you come out with 'out of context'! Sure there was a lot of discussion....Labour talking the truth and Heath waffling and avoiding the blunt truth for most of it....I heard your contention and showed you where this is false. The nation was most definitely lied to by the man at the top....He said those direct words in a televised address to the nation. Here's another link for people on soverignty. [Link] I’ll maybe look at it tomorrow. Good night

Mapletree

Croydon 03 Sep 19 11.40pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Out of Context!!!

I give you a direct quote said directly to the nation, which is a self contained statement that directly contradicts what you said and you come out with 'out of context'!

Sure there was a lot of discussion....Labour talking the truth and Heath waffling and avoiding the blunt truth for most of it....I heard your contention and showed you where this is false.

The nation was most definitely lied to by the man at the top....He said those direct words in a televised address to the nation.

Here's another link for people on soverignty.

[Link]

I’ll maybe look at it tomorrow. Good night

johnno42000 04 Sep 19 12.04am
I still don't understand what the great problem is. It seems to me that the vote was to leave, fine I don't agree but that's democracy. Now we have the situation that loads of time and money is going to be wasted on a general election and information and advice over Brexit. Why not have another referendum with three or four different options of how to leave? Spend the money letting the people have access to information regarding the different options. If we (the electorate) were clever enough to work out whether we wanted to leave or not then surely we are clever enough to decide how we should leave (still miffed we voted leave but hey ho). Edited by johnno42000 (04 Sep 2019 12.05am) 'Lies to the masses as are like fly's to mollasses...they want more and more and more'

johnno42000

04 Sep 19 12.04am

I still don't understand what the great problem is. It seems to me that the vote was to leave, fine I don't agree but that's democracy.

Now we have the situation that loads of time and money is going to be wasted on a general election and information and advice over Brexit.

Why not have another referendum with three or four different options of how to leave? Spend the money letting the people have access to information regarding the different options.

If we (the electorate) were clever enough to work out whether we wanted to leave or not then surely we are clever enough to decide how we should leave (still miffed we voted leave but hey ho).

Edited by johnno42000 (04 Sep 2019 12.05am)

'Lies to the masses as are like fly's to mollasses...they want more and more and more'

Maine Eagle USA 04 Sep 19 12.26am
What a sad f***ing day that people like Ken Clarke have been expelled from the Conservative party because they have a set of balls and see no deal for what it is. The UK is really going in the wrong direction lately. It’s pretty depressing. Trump lost. Badly. Hahahahahahaha.

Maine Eagle

USA 04 Sep 19 12.26am

What a sad f***ing day that people like Ken Clarke have been expelled from the Conservative party because they have a set of balls and see no deal for what it is.

The UK is really going in the wrong direction lately. It’s pretty depressing.

Trump lost. Badly. Hahahahahahaha.

Penge Eagle Beckenham 04 Sep 19 12.53am
406 constituencies voted LEAVE 242 constituencies voted REMAIN Parliament VERSUS the people.

Penge Eagle

Beckenham 04 Sep 19 12.53am

406 constituencies voted LEAVE
242 constituencies voted REMAIN

Parliament VERSUS the people.

Penge Eagle Beckenham 04 Sep 19 12.54am
Originally posted by Maine Eagle What a sad f***ing day that people like Ken Clarke have been expelled from the Conservative party because they have a set of balls and see no deal for what it is. Draining the swamp!

Penge Eagle

Beckenham 04 Sep 19 12.54am

Originally posted by Maine Eagle

What a sad f***ing day that people like Ken Clarke have been expelled from the Conservative party because they have a set of balls and see no deal for what it is.

Draining the swamp!

Invalid user 2019 04 Sep 19 1.16am
'If' there is an election here are the current odds No overall majority 8/11 Conservative Majority 5/4 Labour Majoriy 9/1

Invalid user 2019

04 Sep 19 1.16am

'If' there is an election here are the current odds

No overall majority 8/11
Conservative Majority 5/4
Labour Majoriy 9/1

Invalid user 2019 04 Sep 19 1.18am
Originally posted by Mapletree Oh really? Well, I hope you are right, the risks are absolutely enormous. My sister was blown up by the IRA by the way. I missed this at the time. Not as though it means much from a stranger but if this happened I'm very sorry for your loss and just wanted to state that rather than let this drift by

Invalid user 2019

04 Sep 19 1.18am

Originally posted by Mapletree

Oh really?

Well, I hope you are right, the risks are absolutely enormous. My sister was blown up by the IRA by the way.

I missed this at the time. Not as though it means much from a stranger but if this happened I'm very sorry for your loss and just wanted to state that rather than let this drift by

tome Inner Tantalus Time. 04 Sep 19 2.07am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Powell was not Prime Minister.....should have been but unfortunately the best minds rarely attain the top. Prime Minister Edward Heath, television broadcast on Britain’s entry into the Common Market, January 1973 Here is a direct quote to the nation: 'There are some in this country who fear that in going into Europe we shall in some way sacrifice independence and sovereignty. These fears, I need hardly say, are completely unjustified' [Link] In response to the last quote, what are you afraid of? Seems to me the last few decades have been largely peaceful and prosperous, certainly compared to what Europe in the first part of the last century. A one and a two...

tome

Inner Tantalus Time. 04 Sep 19 2.07am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Powell was not Prime Minister.....should have been but unfortunately the best minds rarely attain the top.

Prime Minister Edward Heath, television broadcast on Britain’s entry into the Common Market, January 1973

Here is a direct quote to the nation:

'There are some in this country who fear that in going into Europe we shall in some way sacrifice independence and sovereignty. These fears, I need hardly say, are completely unjustified'

[Link]

In response to the last quote, what are you afraid of? Seems to me the last few decades have been largely peaceful and prosperous, certainly compared to what Europe in the first part of the last century.

A one and a two...

Stirlingsays 04 Sep 19 3.25am
Originally posted by tome In response to the last quote, what are you afraid of? Seems to me the last few decades have been largely peaceful and prosperous, certainly compared to what Europe in the first part of the last century. Interdependence does have a net positive affect upon nations and this isn't going to change regardless of the presence of the EU. Peace since WW2 has been patchy but essentially the improvement has been multifactored. As to why I object to the idea of being slowly absorbed into a superstate the reasons against that have been so regularly posted on here that you must surely know.....some of them are even in the post you replied to. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

04 Sep 19 3.25am

Originally posted by tome

Interdependence does have a net positive affect upon nations and this isn't going to change regardless of the presence of the EU.

Peace since WW2 has been patchy but essentially the improvement has been multifactored.

As to why I object to the idea of being slowly absorbed into a superstate the reasons against that have been so regularly posted on here that you must surely know.....some of them are even in the post you replied to.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Nevada Eagle Carson City, Nevada 04 Sep 19 5.16am
Get out and slam the door Sing up ya bums

Nevada Eagle

Carson City, Nevada 04 Sep 19 5.16am

Get out and slam the door

Sing up ya bums

Matov 04 Sep 19 5.54am
Originally posted by Penge Eagle 406 constituencies voted LEAVE 242 constituencies voted REMAIN Parliament VERSUS the people. In a nutshell. But let us look at the positives from last night. It is clear that Labour are now the party of Remain. There simply cannot be any more pretence about that. And it is also clear that Parliament simply do not respect the result of referendums so what is the point in holding anymore? Failure to honour the 2016 one means that they have no credibility anymore. We need a GE. As simple as that. Because this issue needs to be settled. If we are to remain as members of the EU then I believe that the biggest constitutional issue switches to the future of the UK. Because what is the point in having Scotland, N.Ireland, Wales and England in a political union when it is subservient to a larger one based in Brussels? The very existence of a 'United Kingdom' becomes almost farcical in the face of it. If we remain in the EU then the focus of attention for those of us who despise the institution has to switch to a fully independent England. We are left with no other choice. Of course the other parts of the UK are welcome to join us but they have to decide their own fates. "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

Matov

04 Sep 19 5.54am

Originally posted by Penge Eagle

406 constituencies voted LEAVE
242 constituencies voted REMAIN

Parliament VERSUS the people.

In a nutshell. But let us look at the positives from last night. It is clear that Labour are now the party of Remain. There simply cannot be any more pretence about that.

And it is also clear that Parliament simply do not respect the result of referendums so what is the point in holding anymore? Failure to honour the 2016 one means that they have no credibility anymore.

We need a GE. As simple as that.

Because this issue needs to be settled. If we are to remain as members of the EU then I believe that the biggest constitutional issue switches to the future of the UK. Because what is the point in having Scotland, N.Ireland, Wales and England in a political union when it is subservient to a larger one based in Brussels? The very existence of a 'United Kingdom' becomes almost farcical in the face of it.

If we remain in the EU then the focus of attention for those of us who despise the institution has to switch to a fully independent England. We are left with no other choice. Of course the other parts of the UK are welcome to join us but they have to decide their own fates.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

dannyboy1978 04 Sep 19 7.01am
Originally posted by Maine Eagle What a sad f*ing day that people like Ken Clarke have been expelled from the Conservative party because they have a set of balls** and see no deal for what it is. The UK is really going in the wrong direction lately. It’s pretty depressing. You call having balls going into negotiation with the EU saying we are leaving but only with a deal. The EU must think "what's the catch, we will give you a deal alright ON OUR TERMS " Edited by dannyboy1978 (04 Sep 2019 7.02am)

dannyboy1978

04 Sep 19 7.01am

Originally posted by Maine Eagle

What a sad f***ing day that people like Ken Clarke have been expelled from the Conservative party because they have a set of balls and see no deal for what it is.

The UK is really going in the wrong direction lately. It’s pretty depressing.

You call having balls going into negotiation with the EU saying we are leaving but only with a deal.
The EU must think "what's the catch, we will give you a deal alright ON OUR TERMS "

Edited by dannyboy1978 (04 Sep 2019 7.02am)

Spiderman Horsham 04 Sep 19 7.07am
Originally posted by Maine Eagle What a sad f*ing day that people like Ken Clarke have been expelled from the Conservative party because they have a set of balls and see no deal for what it is. The UK is really going in the wrong direction lately. It’s pretty depressing**. Awful man, always has been. Lucky for you you don't live here then

Spiderman

Horsham 04 Sep 19 7.07am

Originally posted by Maine Eagle

What a sad f***ing day that people like Ken Clarke have been expelled from the Conservative party because they have a set of balls and see no deal for what it is.

The UK is really going in the wrong direction lately. It’s pretty depressing.

Awful man, always has been.
Lucky for you you don't live here then

the silurian The garden of England.(not really) 04 Sep 19 7.23am
Originally posted by Maine Eagle What a sad f***ing day that people like Ken Clarke have been expelled from the Conservative party because they have a set of balls and see no deal for what it is. The UK is really going in the wrong direction lately. It’s pretty depressing. Ken Clarke leaving is the best news, hes an old dinosaur who should have been pensioned off years ago. good riddance to the old goat, trying to end democracy got him what he deserved

the silurian

The garden of England.(not really) 04 Sep 19 7.23am

Originally posted by Maine Eagle

What a sad f***ing day that people like Ken Clarke have been expelled from the Conservative party because they have a set of balls and see no deal for what it is.

The UK is really going in the wrong direction lately. It’s pretty depressing.

Ken Clarke leaving is the best news, hes an old dinosaur who should have been pensioned off years ago. good riddance to the old goat, trying to end democracy got him what he deserved

the silurian The garden of England.(not really) 04 Sep 19 7.25am
Originally posted by Mapletree The vote was predicated on a very very clear statement that it would happen with a deal The voting paper said remain or leave.....nothing about a deal!!

the silurian

The garden of England.(not really) 04 Sep 19 7.25am

Originally posted by Mapletree

The vote was predicated on a very very clear statement that it would happen with a deal

The voting paper said remain or leave.....nothing about a deal!!

the silurian The garden of England.(not really) 04 Sep 19 7.29am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle ok I give up, you are an obvious Labour troll and its like arguing with porridge talking to you, still at least you'll be happy when the will of 17.5 million people is overturned and Corbyn is PM

the silurian

The garden of England.(not really) 04 Sep 19 7.29am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

ok I give up, you are an obvious Labour troll and its like arguing with porridge talking to you, still at least you'll be happy when the will of 17.5 million people is overturned and Corbyn is PM

Badger11 Beckenham 04 Sep 19 7.40am
Well so much for Johnson's coup he wants a GE Corbyn doesn't I thought coup leaders were against democracy? Odd that Corbyn has spent the last 3 years demanding a GE now he has cold feet. "What do we want? A general election" "When do we want it? Well not quite now cos we might lose it" The excuse that Johnson might change the GE date after Parliament is prorogued is just that. I am confident that the date can be put into the vote that Parliament passes. Additionally The Squeaker sorry I mean Speaker could write to HM on behalf of the house stating the approval is only given for that date. If Boris then tried to change the date not only would he have to face HM he would be eviscerated at the GE by the voters including me. It's not going to happen. One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 04 Sep 19 7.40am

Well so much for Johnson's coup he wants a GE Corbyn doesn't I thought coup leaders were against democracy? Odd that Corbyn has spent the last 3 years demanding a GE now he has cold feet.

"What do we want? A general election"
"When do we want it? Well not quite now cos we might lose it"

The excuse that Johnson might change the GE date after Parliament is prorogued is just that. I am confident that the date can be put into the vote that Parliament passes. Additionally The Squeaker sorry I mean Speaker could write to HM on behalf of the house stating the approval is only given for that date. If Boris then tried to change the date not only would he have to face HM he would be eviscerated at the GE by the voters including me.

It's not going to happen.

One more point

dynamicdick Dormansland 04 Sep 19 7.44am
Originally posted by Spiderman Awful man, always has been. Lucky for you you don't live here then All Tory MP’s who rebelled last night deserved to be barred and I sent a strongly worded email to Nicholas Soames in the early hours today partly comparing him to Winston but only as a relation. If Clarke and the rest of his co-conspirators had spent their time in supporting the Government in getting the best deal then there would have been no need for a no deal. 3 years of revenge against the 17.4 million. Those will now have the opportunity to speak at the ballot box. Bring back Brolin

dynamicdick

Dormansland 04 Sep 19 7.44am

Originally posted by Spiderman

Awful man, always has been.
Lucky for you you don't live here then

All Tory MP’s who rebelled last night deserved to be barred and I sent a strongly worded email to Nicholas Soames in the early hours today partly comparing him to Winston but only as a relation.
If Clarke and the rest of his co-conspirators had spent their time in supporting the Government in getting the best deal then there would have been no need for a no deal. 3 years of revenge against the 17.4 million. Those will now have the opportunity to speak at the ballot box.

Bring back Brolin

Midlands Eagle 04 Sep 19 7.57am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle I wonder how many of you, and the people as a whole, watched the key points of the debate and vote tonight and if so what you made of it? I watched a fair bit and although mostly predictable in the various arguments being put the surrounding mood music didn't go well for Johnson, in my view anyway. He came over as arrogant and blustering, and not the least bit Prime Ministerial. To you maybe. I thought that he was self assured and made his points quite well and "Corbyn's Surrender Bill" is a phrase that could be used quite a bit in the near future

Midlands Eagle

04 Sep 19 7.57am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I wonder how many of you, and the people as a whole, watched the key points of the debate and vote tonight and if so what you made of it?

I watched a fair bit and although mostly predictable in the various arguments being put the surrounding mood music didn't go well for Johnson, in my view anyway.

He came over as arrogant and blustering, and not the least bit Prime Ministerial.

To you maybe. I thought that he was self assured and made his points quite well and "Corbyn's Surrender Bill" is a phrase that could be used quite a bit in the near future

EverybodyDannsNow SE19 04 Sep 19 8.03am
Originally posted by dynamicdick All Tory MP’s who rebelled last night deserved to be barred and I sent a strongly worded email to Nicholas Soames in the early hours today partly comparing him to Winston but only as a relation. If Clarke and the rest of his co-conspirators had spent their time in supporting the Government in getting the best deal then there would have been no need for a no deal. 3 years of revenge against the 17.4 million. Those will now have the opportunity to speak at the ballot box. At which point are we going to accept the better deal never existed?

EverybodyDannsNow

SE19 04 Sep 19 8.03am

Originally posted by dynamicdick

All Tory MP’s who rebelled last night deserved to be barred and I sent a strongly worded email to Nicholas Soames in the early hours today partly comparing him to Winston but only as a relation.
If Clarke and the rest of his co-conspirators had spent their time in supporting the Government in getting the best deal then there would have been no need for a no deal. 3 years of revenge against the 17.4 million. Those will now have the opportunity to speak at the ballot box.

At which point are we going to accept the better deal never existed?

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