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 serial thriller  The Promised Land 04 Sep 19 10.28am |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Labour finding an excuse to avoid the election! Cowards and weasels.....Corbyn was talking big and now it's 'only on my terms'. Boris will no doubt have the vote tonight and show to the country that Labour are too scared to go to the polls. Edited by Stirlingsays (04 Sep 2019 10.03am) Think it's called playing politics, and he seems to be doing it pretty well.
If punk ever happened I'd be preaching the law, instead of listenin to Lydon lecture BBC4 |
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| Spiderman Horsham 04 Sep 19 10.36am |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
She wasn’t badly hurt, just shocked. But many thanks for caring Glad to hear it, I was in London that day but, thankfully not in that area.
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| Spiderman Horsham 04 Sep 19 10.39am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
We have a Parliamentary democracy. We don't return delegates. We return representatives. Their job is to decide on our behalf what is best for the country, using their knowledge, access to expert advice and in the light of events. We don't just tot up an arbitrary number set that happens to suit a particular argument. You are really getting pretty tiresome
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| Stirlingsays 04 Sep 19 10.39am |
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Originally posted by tome
Dunno what's changed around here but this seems unlike you - where's the reasoning and evidence? No musings? Disappointed. Edited by tome (04 Sep 2019 10.16am) I like to be serious with some posts. And then with Brexit and Trump I'm tending towards If you're taking the Brexit saga seriously you need a tickle with a big tickle stick. Edited by Stirlingsays (04 Sep 2019 10.41am)
'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen) |
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| Spiderman Horsham 04 Sep 19 10.41am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Self assured he most certainly wasn't, especially early in the day when he was being pressed on what "progress" had been made in the "negotiations" and what his "proposed deal" was. He was confused and full of repetitive bluster. Framing this as any kind of attempt by Corbyn to take power is both clearly wrong and, in my opinion, a huge mistake tactically. Using such phrases as "Corbyn's Surrender Bill" might play well with the already committed in the blue rinse shires, and some on these pages, but it isn't going to impress too many others. This is an attack by Johnson on Parliament and Corbyn isn't Parliament. Everyone knows Corbyn is a very reluctant recruit to this cause and has only been forced there by those behind him. Any election will see a range of opponents line up against Johnson, including some heavyweights who were previously on his side and who will gain plenty of air time. The opposition may differ politically but they will be united in opposing Johnson's strategy. From the BBC
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| Spiderman Horsham 04 Sep 19 10.43am |
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Originally posted by Penge Eagle
There is NO evidence for this absurd statement. You cannot back this up. Beat me to it. Outrageous statement with no substance
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| Stirlingsays 04 Sep 19 10.43am |
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Originally posted by serial thriller
Think it's called playing politics, and he seems to be doing it pretty well. He looks like an old man who isn't quite sure where he is. He's changed all the billy big boy talk and now he's realising that Labour haven't got a ice cube's chance of winning anything.
'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen) |
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 04 Sep 19 11.03am |
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Originally posted by Penge Eagle
There is NO evidence for this absurd statement. You cannot back this up. If you don't think that the current version of the Tory party is far right then fair enough. I thought Thatcher was about as far from the centre as they could get but I was wrong. Not as individuals. There have always been far right individual members but as a group. The odd thing is that individually I am far from sure that they all really think like that. The bogeyman here is not even in Parliament and his name wasn't mentioned by anyone yesterday. The shadow of Farage looms long over everything that Johnson and his puppet masters are trying to do. If there is a GE watch for the deal being cooked up between Farage and Johnson, with Trump's encouragement and Putin smiling benignly in the background.
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| serial thriller The Promised Land 04 Sep 19 11.04am |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
He looks like an old man who isn't quite sure where he is. He's changed all the billy big boy talk and now he's realising that Labour haven't got a ice cube's chance of winning anything. And yet he's outlasted Cameron, May and - it looks like - Johnson! I'm just delighted and slightly astonished the the Tories are falling in to the same mistake they made in 2017.
If punk ever happened I'd be preaching the law, instead of listenin to Lydon lecture BBC4 |
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 04 Sep 19 11.06am |
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Originally posted by Spiderman
You are really getting pretty tiresome Oh I regret having to repeat myself as much as anyone else does but unless and until people understand the implications of what a Parliamentary democracy is, what it does and why what Parliament is doing is 100% correct I need to keep saying it. When people understand and accept then there will be no need.
For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally. |
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cryrst  The garden of England 04 Sep 19 11.08am |
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Originally posted by serial thriller
And yet he's outlasted Cameron, May and - it looks like - Johnson! I'm just delighted and slightly astonished the the Tories are falling in to the same mistake they made in 2017. Do you really think Tory remainers will vote for labour.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 04 Sep 19 11.10am |
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Originally posted by Penge Eagle
MPs don't seem to realise that the people are sovereign! Of course they are but they pass the duty to make decisions to their elected representatives at every GE. Our job is to choose who represents us. Their job is to do that until we choose someone else.
For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally. |
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| Stirlingsays 04 Sep 19 11.13am |
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Originally posted by serial thriller
And yet he's outlasted Cameron, May and - it looks like - Johnson! I'm just delighted and slightly astonished the the Tories are falling in to the same mistake they made in 2017. Johnson's an election winner....if he makes a deal with Farage Labour don't have a chance. Edited by Stirlingsays (04 Sep 2019 11.14am)
'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen) |
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| steeleye20 Croydon 04 Sep 19 11.24am |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Johnson's an election winner....if he makes a deal with Farage Labour don't have a chance. Edited by Stirlingsays (04 Sep 2019 11.14am) 'Johnson's an election winner'
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| Maine Eagle USA 04 Sep 19 11.30am |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Johnson's an election winner....if he makes a deal with Farage Labour don't have a chance. Edited by Stirlingsays (04 Sep 2019 11.14am) If nothing else you must accept the governments strategy has now completely backfired. Burning bridges left and right and trying to bully people doesn’t work too well for Trump either but what you saw with the Tory rebels is a set of people with some real backbone - sadly missing in the GOP by and large. I find it amusing hearing right wing toffs talk on sky news about the polls. Ask Hillary and Theresa about polls.
Trump lost. Badly. Hahahahahahaha. |
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| chris123 hove actually 04 Sep 19 11.31am |
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He won in London - twice, not really a blue hot bed.
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| serial thriller The Promised Land 04 Sep 19 11.47am |
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Originally posted by cryrst
Do you really think Tory remainers will vote for labour. May sounds stupid but I still think if theres an election brexit won't overwhelm every other issue. Cummings knows this, hence promising loads of spending, but I feel like this is playing on Labour's turf.
If punk ever happened I'd be preaching the law, instead of listenin to Lydon lecture BBC4 |
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twist  Miami, Florida 04 Sep 19 2.20pm |
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Originally posted by Maine Eagle
If nothing else you must accept the governments strategy has now completely backfired. Burning bridges left and right and trying to bully people doesn’t work too well for Trump either but what you saw with the Tory rebels is a set of people with some real backbone - sadly missing in the GOP by and large. I find it amusing hearing right wing toffs talk on sky news about the polls. Ask Hillary and Theresa about polls. But what those rebels have told Brussels, is that you can screw us right royally because there is now way in the world we will allow a no deal brexit, w hich would be disastrous for both Britain and Europe.
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| the silurian The garden of England.(not really) 04 Sep 19 2.24pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I am a traditional "one nation" Tory who, by the way, thinks Ken Clarke represents all that I value in the party. I also believe in Parliamentary and not direct democracy. Referendums are no way to decide complex issues and can be manipulated by malign influences to suit agendas against our actual interests. Yes of course you are! Ken Clarke is an old dinosaur who should be sent to Dignitas asap
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