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 Stirlingsays  04 Sep 19 4.43pm |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
I note that you didn't have the full transcript of that quote. May I suggest you broaden your reading a tad, 'Campaign for an Independent Britain' may not be entirely objective. Heath was very clear in 1971, as your link does indeed show. Here are some more quotes: ''I see no reason why the enlarged Community should not work out a common West European policy, and decide together upon the means for carrying that policy into effect. It seems to me inevitable that progress towards a common foreign policy will be accompanied by increasing cooperation on defence. And again, on other areas of integration; As a member of the enlarged Community, we in Britain will welcome progress towards economic and monetary union, which will enable Europe to speak with a single, independent and powerful voice in international counsels on these matters. Let us even dare to hope that a united Europe may be the means of bringing about that still wider unity among mankind which must be our ultimate goal.'' So what people knew upon entry to the EEC and at the time of the first referendum was that the intention was closer integration, potentially including e.g. EU armed forces. They agreed to this and then confirmed that agreement in a referendum. So in what way exactly were we lied to? How has the ground shifted? The truth is that people who lived through wars knew something needed to be done and made it happen. Then their children decided the grass was greener on the other side - well it ain't. The people that set this in motion knew what they were doing and aimed to get it locked in. We are now going against the heroes of two World Wars, shame on us. Here are the facts Maple. Back in 73 and 75 the British voted for the common market......They did not vote for any other form of Europe. I've shown where they were lied to in a direct TV address to the nation. In 2016 the British public after having a taste of the lies and power grabs and of having been denied a vote for forty odd years voted against the EU. Deal with it. As for shame, you deciding to use the dead to support your own politics.....that's a poor show. Don't speak for those who can't.....We could all pull that trick.
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 SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 04 Sep 19 4.50pm |
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Originally posted by Spiderman
More childish pettiness, really. They know it will pass, so are simply doing whatever they can to make it as difficult a process as possible. Playground stuff. “Any attempt by the Government to filibuster would be knocked back by the Lords with very little difficulty.” It'll be done by Friday.
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| Mapletree Croydon 04 Sep 19 4.51pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Here are the facts Maple. Back in 73 and 75 the British voted for the common market......They did not vote for any other form of Europe. I've shown where they were lied to in a direct TV address to the nation. In 2016 the British public after having a taste of the lies and power grabs and of having been denied a vote for forty odd years voted against the EU. Deal with it. As for shame, you deciding to use the dead to support your own politics that stinks. Don't speak for those who can't.....We could all pull that trick. Edited by Stirlingsays (04 Sep 2019 4.45pm) They did speak, a lot, and voted with clarity. I discussed it at length with my parents and grandfather. They knew what they were doing. Don't reinvent history for your own politics, it is unseemly. In any case, the younger generation will have their say in due course. They seem to share a social responsibility largely missing since the time of their great grandparents. And even that is derided by our current crop.
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| Stirlingsays 04 Sep 19 4.56pm |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
They did speak, a lot, and voted with clarity. I discussed it at length with my parents and grandfather. They knew what they were doing. Don't reinvent history for your own politics, it is unseemly. In any case, the younger generation will have their say in due course. They seem to share a social responsibility largely missing since the time of their great grandparents. And even that is derided by our current crop.
As for you to talk about social responsibility with your politics....I'm sure you think you are socially responsble, but not from my perspective you aren't......ultimately I think the politics you have supported has been and will continue to be very destructive. Edited by Stirlingsays (04 Sep 2019 4.57pm)
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| Maine Eagle USA 04 Sep 19 5.07pm |
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There is no mandate for a no deal exit. Whine, deny and moan all you want about that irrefutable fact, but it cannot be denied.
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| steeleye20 Croydon 04 Sep 19 5.09pm |
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
That won't necessarily work. Parliament can pass a law refusing to allow No Deal and insisting on an extension and Boris Johnson can then go to Brussels to ask for the extension which he will subsequently vote against. Game, set and match That would only show, by use of the veto, that the UK had control of its affairs already, and so had no need to leave the EU !!
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| SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 04 Sep 19 5.11pm |
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Originally posted by Maine Eagle
There is no mandate for a no deal exit. Whine, deny and moan all you want about that irrefutable fact, but it cannot be denied. Correct. As some people clearly have issues understanding, while the remain vote was aligned, the leave vote was split. 'Leave no matter what' ie. 'No deal' being just one of the many different expectations, and more importantly conditions of deciding to vote leave. Just because you voted for 'No deal', does not mean that everyone else who voted leave also wants no deal. Not that hard to grasp, really.
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| Maine Eagle USA 04 Sep 19 5.11pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Previous votes were accepted so 2016's vote should be to. Edited by Stirlingsays (04 Sep 2019 5.04pm) The vote was flawed utterly. I feel truly sorry for you, Stirlingsays, as for you and many likeminded folks you saw Brexit as a wonderful and magical silver bullet which would return the UK to the golden times of the 1950s, removing foreigners and muslims from your streets and paving the pavements with gold unicorns. I genuinely feel sorry for you that you got your hopes up about the 2016 vote, but it was a piece of fools gold. The 2016 vote is not deliverable. There are enormous and wide ranging differences on HOW we leave the EU. There MUST be a mandate from the public about HOW to leave the EU. It might have helped that in 2016 there was a remote idea in anyone's head about what brexit really meant, but they simply didnt.
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| Midlands Eagle 04 Sep 19 5.15pm |
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Originally posted by Maine Eagle
The vote was flawed utterly. I feel truly sorry for you, Stirlingsays, as for you and many likeminded folks you saw Brexit as a wonderful and magical silver bullet which would return the UK to the golden times of the 1950s, removing foreigners and muslims from your streets and paving the pavements with gold unicorns. I assume that you are referring to European Muslims
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| Stirlingsays 04 Sep 19 5.20pm |
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Originally posted by Maine Eagle
The vote was flawed utterly. I feel truly sorry for you, Stirlingsays, as for you and many likeminded folks you saw Brexit as a wonderful and magical silver bullet which would return the UK to the golden times of the 1950s, removing foreigners and muslims from your streets and paving the pavements with gold unicorns. I genuinely feel sorry for you that you got your hopes up about the 2016 vote, but it was a piece of fools gold. The 2016 vote is not deliverable. There are enormous and wide ranging differences on HOW we leave the EU. There MUST be a mandate from the public about HOW to leave the EU. It might have helped that in 2016 there was a remote idea in anyone's head about what brexit really meant, but they simply didnt.
Leaving the EU does not stop Islamic immigration. What happens in the coming years....Sure, I would support a policy like that....but I don't expect it to happen. I don't know why you seem to think I'm disappointed.....I'm quite enjoying it all. Edited by Stirlingsays (04 Sep 2019 5.22pm)
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| Maine Eagle USA 04 Sep 19 5.26pm |
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
I assume that you are referring to European Muslims No I think that due to the level of support Tommy Robinson enjoys on holmesdale.net that there is a quite tangible anti-islam vibe here. Seem to remember debating someone a few months back who didnt want to see burka's on their high street. Those burka's could be worn by British citizens.
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| Maine Eagle USA 04 Sep 19 5.29pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Leaving the EU does not stop Islamic immigration. What happens in the coming years....Sure, I would support a policy like that....but I don't expect it to happen. I don't know why you seem to think I'm disappointed.....I'm quite enjoying it all. Edited by Stirlingsays (04 Sep 2019 5.22pm) I know you would, Stirley. Because you dont like muslims old boy. I think you are disappointed as you said this: "Previous votes were accepted so 2016's vote should be to." I think you also know, deep down, that not only will a no deal exit never happen, but that in the coming months Brexit might be s***-canned in its entirety. That would disappoint you greatly old boy.
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| Stirlingsays 04 Sep 19 5.37pm |
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Originally posted by Maine Eagle
I know you would, Stirley. Because you dont like muslims old boy. I think you are disappointed as you said this: "Previous votes were accepted so 2016's vote should be to." I think you also know, deep down, that not only will a no deal exit never happen, but that in the coming months Brexit might be s***-canned in its entirety. That would disappoint you greatly old boy. I know it's quite a hard concept for some leftists to get their head around.....but I'm quite an honest chap. If I tell you my Brexit vote wasn't about Muslims and that I'm enjoying myself....then that's how it is. A Corbyn or Lib Dem government would wipe the smile off my face....but I don't think that's going to happen. Edited by Stirlingsays (04 Sep 2019 5.40pm)
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| Maine Eagle USA 04 Sep 19 5.42pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
I know it's quite a hard concept for some leftists to get their head around.....but I'm quite an honest chap. If I tell you the my Brexit vote wasn't about Muslims and that I'm enjoying myself....then that's how it is. A Corbyn or Lib Dem government would wipe the smile off my face....but I don't think that's going to happen. Edited by Stirlingsays (04 Sep 2019 5.38pm) I think you are enjoying yourself, AND you are a bit disappointed. You are smart enough to know that Brexit wont affect burka's on your street corner too much, but xenophobia has many heads, Stirley. I think another election will induce a parliament so spectacularly hung, that it could be named Dion Dublin.
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| Stirlingsays 04 Sep 19 5.52pm |
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Originally posted by Maine Eagle
I think you are enjoying yourself, AND you are a bit disappointed. You are smart enough to know that Brexit wont affect burka's on your street corner too much, but xenophobia has many heads, Stirley. I think another election will induce a parliament so spectacularly hung, that it could be named Dion Dublin. Really Mainey, you and your regular displays of xenophilia.....perhaps you should be living in a more diverse state other than Maine, which is ninety percent white and hence European old boy. My thoughts on the nation's future has little to do with the EU....It's really more about a principle.....It's a battle for people like me to win....but ultimately, longer term I think the war is lost or in the balance....but that's also for the EU.
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| Stirlingsays 04 Sep 19 5.54pm |
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Originally posted by cryrst
How would no deal affect any of us.
Tips hat.
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| the silurian The garden of England.(not really) 04 Sep 19 6.49pm |
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Originally posted by Maine Eagle
There is no mandate for a no deal exit. Whine, deny and moan all you want about that irrefutable fact, but it cannot be denied. Post a link please as to where it said on the ballot paper Remain or leave (with a deal)..
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