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the silurian Flag The garden of England.(not really) 04 Sep 19 6.54pm

Originally posted by Maine Eagle

The vote was flawed utterly.

I feel truly sorry for you, Stirlingsays, as for you and many likeminded folks you saw Brexit as a wonderful and magical silver bullet which would return the UK to the golden times of the 1950s, removing foreigners and muslims from your streets and paving the pavements with gold unicorns.

I genuinely feel sorry for you that you got your hopes up about the 2016 vote, but it was a piece of fools gold.

The 2016 vote is not deliverable.

There are enormous and wide ranging differences on HOW we leave the EU.

There MUST be a mandate from the public about HOW to leave the EU.

It might have helped that in 2016 there was a remote idea in anyone's head about what brexit really meant, but they simply didnt.

Why?? Its obvious that you and others want Brexit cancelled, nothing less will do....So when the GE arrives and we dont like the fact that Corbyn and McDonnel are in charge can we scream for another GE as we dont like the result......17.4 million people are having their vote IGNORED....some democracy that is...

and before anyone says it, I live in France so Brexit isnt good for us but the democratic vote was leave so I have to live with the result!

Edited by the silurian (04 Sep 2019 6.56pm)

 

Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 04 Sep 19 7.12pm

The scumbag Corbyn playing politics with the country's future.
The most shameful days in Parliament's history.

 

jeeagles Flag 04 Sep 19 8.04pm

Originally posted by cryrst

How would no deal affect any of us.
Really affect us.
Yes you dont know.
It's all guesses and what ifs and maybes.
That is the long and short of it.
I was a remainer but I think I've gone to the dark side with all this tossing around.
Stirling you are my father

The rhetoric is all wrong around a no-deal. It would mean we would have to sign up to WTO terms. We know what WTO terms are. We know the impact on the economy will be about £30Bn. We know May's deal will make us liable for £39Bn plus the wider impact on the economy.
Also, like the backstop, a no-deal is only the fall back position!

I was also a remainer, but see no way back, can we just get on with it and stop all this political posturing.

 

jeeagles Flag 04 Sep 19 8.10pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

The scumbag Corbyn playing politics with the country's future.
The most shameful days in Parliament's history.

He's said he's putting country before party by not trying to lead the country and crippling parliament instead... I probably wouldn't mind him so much if he was just a crazy activist and not the leader of the party with the biggest membership in the UK.

 

cryrst Flag The garden of England 04 Sep 19 8.30pm

Originally posted by jeeagles

The rhetoric is all wrong around a no-deal. It would mean we would have to sign up to WTO terms. We know what WTO terms are. We know the impact on the economy will be about £30Bn. We know May's deal will make us liable for £39Bn plus the wider impact on the economy.
Also, like the backstop, a no-deal is only the fall back position!

I was also a remainer, but see no way back, can we just get on with it and stop all this political posturing.

No one in the whole world uses WTO terms.
All individual deals between each other.
Project fear is now the go to thought process.
I actually think all this crap is doing more harm and creating division on the high street.
Maybe it's what labour want by keeping on obstructing everything.
Then they can say look what the Tories did,it wont happen with us.

 

Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 04 Sep 19 8.39pm

Originally posted by the silurian


So why did Cameron give a referendum??? What was the point if the MPs are just gonna ignore the result
? I for one will NEVER vote again for anyone, what is the point?

The referendum was entirely about internal Tory divisions. Divisions which continue to dominate British political life more than 3 years later. The majority of our MPs don't think that leaving was a wise choice but most accepted that their party had committed to respecting the result. What they don't accept is that the result meant whatever a PM says it meant. They argue, and I agree, that it's for Parliament to determine what the result meant.

 


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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards SW19 CPFC Flag Addiscombe West 04 Sep 19 8.43pm

Classic example of how polarisation creates wilful obfuscation irrespective of fact. And these are supposed to be intelligent, reasoned individuals...


Ian Dunt
@IanDunt
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[cash] Currently banging on about how the bill forces the UK to accept any extension date set by the EU. He challenges Hilary Benn to "get up and deny it if in fact what I've just read out, which is the text of the bill, is wrong".

Ian Dunt
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Benn gets up. Points out that if he reads below subsection 2, which he's just read out, if specifically gives parliament power to decide on an EU offer.


Ian Dunt
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"I don't think that's really an excuse," Cash says. Amazing.


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It's like trying to debate the Highway Code with a can of dog food.

 


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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 04 Sep 19 8.46pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

The referendum was entirely about internal Tory divisions. Divisions which continue to dominate British political life more than 3 years later. The majority of our MPs don't think that leaving was a wise choice but most accepted that their party had committed to respecting the result. What they don't accept is that the result meant whatever a PM says it meant. They argue, and I agree, that it's for Parliament to determine what the result meant.


We voted to leave. This bill is yet another attempt by Remainers to avoid carrying out the will of the people.
Sadly some useful idiots in the Tory party have helped them.

 

Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 04 Sep 19 8.50pm

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

That won't necessarily work. Parliament can pass a law refusing to allow No Deal and insisting on an extension and Boris Johnson can then go to Brussels to ask for the extension which he will subsequently vote against. Game, set and match

I have read this scenario, as you have too obviously. If we know then for sure every MP will as well and a strategy to defeat it will be prepared because you simply cannot allow such Machiavellian tactics to thwart the will of Parliament.

If he tried that and it succeeded then we really would have a monster of a constitutional crisis.

 


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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards SW19 CPFC Flag Addiscombe West 04 Sep 19 9.13pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger


We voted to leave. This bill is yet another attempt by Remainers to avoid carrying out the will of the people.
Sadly some useful idiots in the Tory party have helped them.

One thing I’ll be glad to never hear again is that godawful phrase ‘the will of the people’.

Firstly, it’s ‘the will of some of the people’, technically not even half based on a 46m strong voting population. Same goes for remain.

I’d much prefer ‘the result of the referendum’ ‘outcome of the vote’ etc. Anything but that. It’s overused and misused, usually as a way to attempt to paint the politician who is trotting it out as some kind of everyday prole standing shoulder to shoulder with his or her constituents when their main motivation is nothing of the sort. Vacuous

The words are also just annoying when assembled in that order. Also people are inherently annoying as an entity anyway so giving them too much credibility is also annoying.

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 04 Sep 19 9.18pm

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

Correct. As some people clearly have issues understanding, while the remain vote was aligned, the leave vote was split. 'Leave no matter what' ie. 'No deal' being just one of the many different expectations, and more importantly conditions of deciding to vote leave.

Just because you voted for 'No deal', does not mean that everyone else who voted leave also wants no deal. Not that hard to grasp, really.

It ought not to be hard to grasp but obviously is for many both who contribute here and for some who are pushing "no-deal" in Parliament. Although many of the latter understand it perfectly well but are willing to bet the electorate don't.

I listened today to a former Tory adviser who was consulted on what their strategy is and how it is devised. He said that the current Government have taken this to the extreme and have everything already mapped out, the preparations for an election campaign written down in detail months ago, Facebook adverts ready, and the seemingly off the cuff insults all written and tested in focus groups for effectiveness.

This isn't politics! This is marketing. The selling of ideas that you want to push forward for your own reasons.

This is the Trump style of populist appeal to the lowest common denominator.

We MUST resist this or we will end up controlled by interest groups and/or those who actually wish to harm us.

This is much more important than just Brexit. It's a fight for the soul of our Parliamentary democracy.

 


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Jimenez Flag SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 04 Sep 19 9.23pm

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

One thing I’ll be glad to never hear again is that godawful phrase ‘the will of the people’.

Firstly, it’s ‘the will of some of the people’, technically not even half based on a 46m strong voting population. Same goes for remain.

I’d much prefer ‘the result of the referendum’ ‘outcome of the vote’ etc. Anything but that. It’s overused and misused, usually as a way to attempt to paint the politician who is trotting it out as some kind of everyday prole standing shoulder to shoulder with his or her constituents when their main motivation is nothing of the sort. Vacuous

The words are also just annoying when assembled in that order. Also people are inherently annoying as an entity anyway so giving them too much credibility is also annoying.

Well you can blame your old chum Blair for that awful phrase.
Peoples parliament,
Peoples Princess,
Peoples Game,
Ad Finutum.............

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 04 Sep 19 9.31pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

The scumbag Corbyn playing politics with the country's future.
The most shameful days in Parliament's history.

Johnson's attempt to blame shift the focus onto Corbyn has obviously found some fallow ground!

This is not a battle between Corbyn and the government. It's between Johnson and Parliament.

Johnson will continue to try to frame it that way, the tactics have obviously been programmed into it.

However I think many other people opposed to Johnson will receive as much or more exposure than Corbyn in the coming weeks. Corbyn won't be a peripheral figure but he won't be centre stage.

 


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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 04 Sep 19 9.32pm

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

One thing I’ll be glad to never hear again is that godawful phrase ‘the will of the people’.

Firstly, it’s ‘the will of some of the people’, technically not even half based on a 46m strong voting population. Same goes for remain.

I’d much prefer ‘the result of the referendum’ ‘outcome of the vote’ etc. Anything but that. It’s overused and misused, usually as a way to attempt to paint the politician who is trotting it out as some kind of everyday prole standing shoulder to shoulder with his or her constituents when their main motivation is nothing of the sort. Vacuous

The words are also just annoying when assembled in that order. Also people are inherently annoying as an entity anyway so giving them too much credibility is also annoying.

You just summed up the stupidity of the Remainer attitude.

We had a vote and Remain lost. The will of the people right there.

 

Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 04 Sep 19 9.34pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Johnson's attempt to blame shift the focus onto Corbyn has obviously found some fallow ground!

This is not a battle between Corbyn and the government. It's between Johnson and Parliament.

Johnson will continue to try to frame it that way, the tactics have obviously been programmed into it.

However I think many other people opposed to Johnson will receive as much or more exposure than Corbyn in the coming weeks. Corbyn won't be a peripheral figure but he won't be centre stage.

What a load of crap.
Remainers are just doing what they have always done.

Delaying Brexit again is a shameful misuse of the Parliamentary system.

 

Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards SW19 CPFC Flag Addiscombe West 04 Sep 19 9.35pm

Originally posted by Jimenez

Well you can blame your old chum Blair for that awful phrase.
Peoples parliament,
Peoples Princess,
Peoples Game,
Ad Finutum.............

‘Your’

 


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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards SW19 CPFC Flag Addiscombe West 04 Sep 19 9.36pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

You just summed up the stupidity of the Remainer attitude.

We had a vote and Remain lost. The will of the people right there.

FYI I’m keen to leave, but with a deal

I just absolutely loathe that phrase

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 04 Sep 19 9.37pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger


We voted to leave. This bill is yet another attempt by Remainers to avoid carrying out the will of the people.
Sadly some useful idiots in the Tory party have helped them.

We voted in a Referendum!

Doing so doesn't close down Parliament or curtail it's function.

If it decides that the way we leave needs further clarification then that's it's right and it's duty to act upon it.

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 04 Sep 19 9.38pm

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

One thing I’ll be glad to never hear again is that godawful phrase ‘the will of the people’.

Firstly, it’s ‘the will of some of the people’, technically not even half based on a 46m strong voting population. Same goes for remain.

I’d much prefer ‘the result of the referendum’ ‘outcome of the vote’ etc. Anything but that. It’s overused and misused, usually as a way to attempt to paint the politician who is trotting it out as some kind of everyday prole standing shoulder to shoulder with his or her constituents when their main motivation is nothing of the sort. Vacuous

The words are also just annoying when assembled in that order. Also people are inherently annoying as an entity anyway so giving them too much credibility is also annoying.

Now this is more like it!

Personally I've always wondered where the dwarf vote was with Brexit......Not that dwarfs aren't people as well...just smaller...I'd just like to know how they voted.

Edited by Stirlingsays (04 Sep 2019 9.40pm)

 


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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 04 Sep 19 9.45pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

We voted in a Referendum!

Doing so doesn't close down Parliament or curtail it's function.

If it decides that the way we leave needs further clarification then that's it's right and it's duty to act upon it.

More bulls***.

You and all the other Remainers who want to avoid Brexit at all costs have revealed yourselves to have no concern for this country's interests at all.

 

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