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Originally posted by Maine Eagle
The vote was flawed utterly. I feel truly sorry for you, Stirlingsays, as for you and many likeminded folks you saw Brexit as a wonderful and magical silver bullet which would return the UK to the golden times of the 1950s, removing foreigners and muslims from your streets and paving the pavements with gold unicorns. I genuinely feel sorry for you that you got your hopes up about the 2016 vote, but it was a piece of fools gold. There are enormous and wide ranging differences on HOW we leave the EU. There MUST be a mandate from the public about HOW to leave the EU. It might have helped that in 2016 there was a remote idea in anyone's head about what brexit really meant, but they simply didnt. Why?? Its obvious that you and others want Brexit cancelled, nothing less will do....So when the GE arrives and we dont like the fact that Corbyn and McDonnel are in charge can we scream for another GE as we dont like the result......17.4 million people are having their vote IGNORED....some democracy that is... and before anyone says it, I live in France so Brexit isnt good for us but the democratic vote was leave so I have to live with the result! Edited by the silurian (04 Sep 2019 6.56pm)
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The scumbag Corbyn playing politics with the country's future.
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Originally posted by cryrst
How would no deal affect any of us. The rhetoric is all wrong around a no-deal. It would mean we would have to sign up to WTO terms. We know what WTO terms are. We know the impact on the economy will be about £30Bn. We know May's deal will make us liable for £39Bn plus the wider impact on the economy. I was also a remainer, but see no way back, can we just get on with it and stop all this political posturing.
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
The scumbag Corbyn playing politics with the country's future. He's said he's putting country before party by not trying to lead the country and crippling parliament instead... I probably wouldn't mind him so much if he was just a crazy activist and not the leader of the party with the biggest membership in the UK.
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Originally posted by jeeagles
The rhetoric is all wrong around a no-deal. It would mean we would have to sign up to WTO terms. We know what WTO terms are. We know the impact on the economy will be about £30Bn. We know May's deal will make us liable for £39Bn plus the wider impact on the economy. I was also a remainer, but see no way back, can we just get on with it and stop all this political posturing. No one in the whole world uses WTO terms.
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Originally posted by the silurian
The referendum was entirely about internal Tory divisions. Divisions which continue to dominate British political life more than 3 years later. The majority of our MPs don't think that leaving was a wise choice but most accepted that their party had committed to respecting the result. What they don't accept is that the result meant whatever a PM says it meant. They argue, and I agree, that it's for Parliament to determine what the result meant.
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
The referendum was entirely about internal Tory divisions. Divisions which continue to dominate British political life more than 3 years later. The majority of our MPs don't think that leaving was a wise choice but most accepted that their party had committed to respecting the result. What they don't accept is that the result meant whatever a PM says it meant. They argue, and I agree, that it's for Parliament to determine what the result meant.
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
That won't necessarily work. Parliament can pass a law refusing to allow No Deal and insisting on an extension and Boris Johnson can then go to Brussels to ask for the extension which he will subsequently vote against. Game, set and match I have read this scenario, as you have too obviously. If we know then for sure every MP will as well and a strategy to defeat it will be prepared because you simply cannot allow such Machiavellian tactics to thwart the will of Parliament. If he tried that and it succeeded then we really would have a monster of a constitutional crisis.
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
One thing I’ll be glad to never hear again is that godawful phrase ‘the will of the people’. Firstly, it’s ‘the will of some of the people’, technically not even half based on a 46m strong voting population. Same goes for remain. I’d much prefer ‘the result of the referendum’ ‘outcome of the vote’ etc. Anything but that. It’s overused and misused, usually as a way to attempt to paint the politician who is trotting it out as some kind of everyday prole standing shoulder to shoulder with his or her constituents when their main motivation is nothing of the sort. Vacuous The words are also just annoying when assembled in that order. Also people are inherently annoying as an entity anyway so giving them too much credibility is also annoying.
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Originally posted by SW19 CPFC
Correct. As some people clearly have issues understanding, while the remain vote was aligned, the leave vote was split. 'Leave no matter what' ie. 'No deal' being just one of the many different expectations, and more importantly conditions of deciding to vote leave. Just because you voted for 'No deal', does not mean that everyone else who voted leave also wants no deal. Not that hard to grasp, really. It ought not to be hard to grasp but obviously is for many both who contribute here and for some who are pushing "no-deal" in Parliament. Although many of the latter understand it perfectly well but are willing to bet the electorate don't. I listened today to a former Tory adviser who was consulted on what their strategy is and how it is devised. He said that the current Government have taken this to the extreme and have everything already mapped out, the preparations for an election campaign written down in detail months ago, Facebook adverts ready, and the seemingly off the cuff insults all written and tested in focus groups for effectiveness. This isn't politics! This is marketing. The selling of ideas that you want to push forward for your own reasons. This is the Trump style of populist appeal to the lowest common denominator. We MUST resist this or we will end up controlled by interest groups and/or those who actually wish to harm us. This is much more important than just Brexit. It's a fight for the soul of our Parliamentary democracy.
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Originally posted by SW19 CPFC
One thing I’ll be glad to never hear again is that godawful phrase ‘the will of the people’. Firstly, it’s ‘the will of some of the people’, technically not even half based on a 46m strong voting population. Same goes for remain. I’d much prefer ‘the result of the referendum’ ‘outcome of the vote’ etc. Anything but that. It’s overused and misused, usually as a way to attempt to paint the politician who is trotting it out as some kind of everyday prole standing shoulder to shoulder with his or her constituents when their main motivation is nothing of the sort. Vacuous The words are also just annoying when assembled in that order. Also people are inherently annoying as an entity anyway so giving them too much credibility is also annoying. Well you can blame your old chum Blair for that awful phrase.
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
The scumbag Corbyn playing politics with the country's future. Johnson's attempt to blame shift the focus onto Corbyn has obviously found some fallow ground! This is not a battle between Corbyn and the government. It's between Johnson and Parliament. Johnson will continue to try to frame it that way, the tactics have obviously been programmed into it. However I think many other people opposed to Johnson will receive as much or more exposure than Corbyn in the coming weeks. Corbyn won't be a peripheral figure but he won't be centre stage.
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Originally posted by SW19 CPFC
One thing I’ll be glad to never hear again is that godawful phrase ‘the will of the people’. Firstly, it’s ‘the will of some of the people’, technically not even half based on a 46m strong voting population. Same goes for remain. I’d much prefer ‘the result of the referendum’ ‘outcome of the vote’ etc. Anything but that. It’s overused and misused, usually as a way to attempt to paint the politician who is trotting it out as some kind of everyday prole standing shoulder to shoulder with his or her constituents when their main motivation is nothing of the sort. Vacuous The words are also just annoying when assembled in that order. Also people are inherently annoying as an entity anyway so giving them too much credibility is also annoying. You just summed up the stupidity of the Remainer attitude. We had a vote and Remain lost. The will of the people right there.
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Johnson's attempt to blame shift the focus onto Corbyn has obviously found some fallow ground! This is not a battle between Corbyn and the government. It's between Johnson and Parliament. Johnson will continue to try to frame it that way, the tactics have obviously been programmed into it. However I think many other people opposed to Johnson will receive as much or more exposure than Corbyn in the coming weeks. Corbyn won't be a peripheral figure but he won't be centre stage. What a load of crap. Delaying Brexit again is a shameful misuse of the Parliamentary system.
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Originally posted by Jimenez
Well you can blame your old chum Blair for that awful phrase. ‘Your’
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
You just summed up the stupidity of the Remainer attitude. We had a vote and Remain lost. The will of the people right there. FYI I’m keen to leave, but with a deal I just absolutely loathe that phrase
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
We voted in a Referendum! Doing so doesn't close down Parliament or curtail it's function. If it decides that the way we leave needs further clarification then that's it's right and it's duty to act upon it.
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Originally posted by SW19 CPFC
One thing I’ll be glad to never hear again is that godawful phrase ‘the will of the people’. Firstly, it’s ‘the will of some of the people’, technically not even half based on a 46m strong voting population. Same goes for remain. I’d much prefer ‘the result of the referendum’ ‘outcome of the vote’ etc. Anything but that. It’s overused and misused, usually as a way to attempt to paint the politician who is trotting it out as some kind of everyday prole standing shoulder to shoulder with his or her constituents when their main motivation is nothing of the sort. Vacuous The words are also just annoying when assembled in that order. Also people are inherently annoying as an entity anyway so giving them too much credibility is also annoying. Now this is more like it! Personally I've always wondered where the dwarf vote was with Brexit......Not that dwarfs aren't people as well...just smaller...I'd just like to know how they voted. Edited by Stirlingsays (04 Sep 2019 9.40pm)
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
We voted in a Referendum! Doing so doesn't close down Parliament or curtail it's function. If it decides that the way we leave needs further clarification then that's it's right and it's duty to act upon it. More bulls***. You and all the other Remainers who want to avoid Brexit at all costs have revealed yourselves to have no concern for this country's interests at all.
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