cant be bothered to read your drivel again, you may accuse me of being racist

Good post.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Ending freedom of movement on 31 Oct was never practical or sensible. EU citizens were told that they had 3 years to apply for settled status and many like my Dutch friend haven't done so on the basis why bother until we know Brexit is definitely going to happen.

On that basis how would immigration know that my friend who has lived here over 40 years and is entitled to settled status but just hasn't applied yet?

That I would imagine is the legal difficulty.

They were given a date by Mrs May and the government should stick to it. Apparently 1mm people have already got it and if we do Brexit I would expect the rest to apply fairly quickly.

In the future post 2021 the immigration laws would be up to Parliament so I don't see this as an issue.

One more point

Hmm, whatever happened at 1.30 this morning may override that.

So far Cummings has played a blinder. Boris hasn't looked too hot though. The short term set-backs are - I am sure - part of the overall plan. Lulling the opposition into a sense of false security whilst heading inexorably towards the ultimate goal.

This signals something of which I expect you to disapprove. A shift from trying to find middle ground so that there is a long-term opportunity for some kind of Parliamentary and National consensus to total warfare.

The lack of Tellers for the amendment last night was a classic 'dirty trick', very nasty. And now the summary executions 'pour encourager les autres'.

Sure it's dirty, it's a wrecking ball through parliamentary process as a means to an end.

Cummings is the smartest cookie in a jar of cookies that he despises.

If this had been how it had all started I would most definitely be opposed. However, I have to be frank. Ever since the referendum result the remain side have been unwilling to compromise.

Look, May's deal was crap for everybody. That was the deal.....Despite hating it on its last reading Johnson voted for it.....As did most leavers.

Did 'remain'?....nope.

As I said, if you play for high stakes then you can't complain if you lose everything. The smartest on the remain side should have been the compromisers but as is life, when there is polarisation or conflict....it's the extremes who end up taking control and getting things done......whether we like the result or not.

And if I'm honest, whatever happens, I just want a result. This thread is already a thousand pages too long.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

It appears he gave up that option to get rid of the filibustering. That may have been mis-reported, it's hard to tell exactly what happened

Not everyone.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Taking away the ideologies of Brexit, which I understand completely. Should we be able to control immigration? I think every country should and the EU could actually fix the immigration debate by having a break off point, for example, if net migration hits +10% or whatever, then that country can choose to slow down it's entry rates for the next 4 years and start again.
Do I believe every country should be sovereign? Of course, but to a point. My gripe with the whole sovereignty thing is that I don't really know what the EU have done to interfere with any government policies carried out since we joined. We've sold off council flats, had recessions, implemented austerity (For 99.9% of people), we have 'controlled' or not our borders from countries outside the EU. We have control of our currency, interest rates, inflation rates, vat, taxes and spending. Yes we have to pay the EU their share, but we also get a lot back.

I bang on about this all the time, but, Brexit hasn't stopped me wondering here all the taxes from the FANGS are. IMHO the problem isn't just the EU, the problem is that if we raise taxes to 90%, the rich, who benefit from our system can move their money to Ireland and pay 12%. This is where I would actually like to see the EU come and say all base tax rates are 20% in all EU countries. I'm a big fan of market competition, so how about the Gvmt owening all patents and everyone can make an Iphone and we see who'sis best. The patent holder would obviously get a royalty from sales. I don't want to swindle anyone.

That's just a simple example. The problem is that we have a leader who is very much the kind of person I would have to right a speech for me, because that's all these Oxbridge debating team leaders are really good at and on the other side we have Corbyn, who for all his ideas to bring some of that wealth back down the chain, wants to do it in the 1970s way, which I do believe some of his ideas are pretty decent, but nothing he has come out with are game changers. And of course the Lib Dems, who are ed by a person who helped tuiton fees go up and brought austerity to us with the Tories.

As a nation we have created invented some of the most important things that has helped the World as a whole, but that sense of creation has just disappeared. Climate change is a massive reason and way of gaining sovereignty, by creating a new industry to be as self sufficient as possible and no one is even bothered about the potential benefits this could create.

Buy 'all out war' the story of the referendum if you want to know the thought processes of Cummings.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)