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Mapletree Flag Croydon 06 Sep 19 12.31pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

What?

You'd have to be at least 88 years old.

Did you read the link?

To help you, here is a quote

All else being equal, the war generation have more positive attitudes towards the EU than the immediately following generations. Indeed, only the most recent generation, the millennial generation, display more positive attitudes towards the EU than the war generation.

Which rather snookers the logic that people feel that they were lied to when we first entered the EEC and at the first referendum dunnit.

Edited by Mapletree (06 Sep 2019 1.05pm)

 

Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards SW19 CPFC Flag Addiscombe West 06 Sep 19 12.38pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger


Are you still hiding behind that crap?

Your position goes beyond dogmatic.

The people expected the referendum result to be honored as promised. Any other interpretation is purely an attempt by the losing side to get their own way regardless.

It is people like you who have created this farce and continue to disrupt the process.

You can keep repeating your old guff as often as you like but we can all see the excuses for avoiding democracy becoming more transparent by the day.

You and your ilk are continually speaking like remaining is a done deal. It's bizarre. If we leave with some form of deal, we've left. End of.

You lot can then fight over what you meant by leaving but that is for the birds. We will still have left.

Don't throw your toys out of the pram simply because you won't be getting your version of 'leave'. That was never specified, and anyone who claims it meant this or that is simply making it up to suit their own position.

 


Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.

Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 06 Sep 19 12.46pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

But it is OK to thwart the will of the people as determined by a referendum which was granted because such a decision was deemed to be too big for Parliament and should be put directly to the plebiscite.

Do you know how ridiculous you sound when you say that Parliament should now overrule the result because it was the 'wrong' choice?

Laughable.

What's really laughable is that people on your side of the fence cannot accept that the reason the referendum was called in the first place was not because the decision was "too big for Parliament" but because it was too big for the Tory Party. If Parliament as a whole had been asked then we would not be in this mess. It was held to shut up the Eurosceptics once and for all but went badly wrong. Any referendum can be hijacked by the winds of fortune, political shenanigans, outside influences and money. That's no way to decide important issues which affect future generations much more than ourselves.

Parliament is where the will of the people is represented. No one made a "wrong choice"! It's now just an out of date choice made on issues that have subsequently expanded in complexity with greater clarity over the implications.

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 06 Sep 19 12.50pm

Originally posted by Jimenez


As if by Magic !!

What on earth are you talking about?

Referendums have never had any legal standpoint in the UK system.

 


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the silurian Flag The garden of England.(not really) 06 Sep 19 12.50pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Facts are not opinions.

Facts are facts.

FFS you're full of it!

 

EverybodyDannsNow Flag SE19 06 Sep 19 12.53pm

Originally posted by cryrst

And what a swerving bunch of
Self serving
Back stabbing
Lying
Spoilt little individuals they are showing themselves to be.
Talk about feather your nest.
They should stop exhibiting and proving everything that we all thought they were when they had a chance to prove us wrong.
BJ was right to expel those 21 much the same as if one of your friends went to the dark side and told you and your buddies; he would be expelled from your drinking club.
Good day old boy m m m

Utter, utter nonsense. BJ and Rees-Mogg were both Tory rebels themselves when May was trying to pass her deal, and they both voted against it more than once; why were they not expelled?
They have both voted against the party position numerous times throughout their career.

Some of these 21 who expelled voted in favour of May’s deal, so this notion that they’re anti-democratic, and trying to subvert Brexit is just more nonsense.

I find it beyond parody for someone to sit there calling MPs self-serving, back-stabbing, lying and spoilt whilst throwing their support behind Boris f***in Johnson.

 

the silurian Flag The garden of England.(not really) 06 Sep 19 12.54pm

Originally posted by Badger11

I was about to agree with you then I remembered that the fishy woman wants another for Scotland. The way she is sucking up to Labour she may get it.

good let the jocks go, they definitely need us more than we need them

 

Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 06 Sep 19 1.00pm

Originally posted by cryrst

What are you on about ,again!
We know where we are; as in the EU.
We dont know what the future holds by being in the EU much in the same way we dont know what it's like not being in the EU.
What's the difference apart from being told without evidence ,just presumptions that we will be f***ed if we leave.
We could be f***ed if we stay.
Who knows.
All I see is the uk is now the giggle of the world. if it means soooooo much to be part of the eu i want to know why.
Not one can tell me.
I'm dark side now anyway, I want out I've changed my mind.
As we are allowed to do.
Your words wissy.

If you don't trust experts then more fool you.

I tend to believe people I know have more knowledge than I do on specific subjects.

That's why I consult a doctor rather than a plumber if I have a medical issue and a plumber rather than a doctor if my pipes burst.

Whilst not every doctor will agree on the best course of action there is usually a consensus. It's no different with the impact of a no deal Brexit. The overwhelming opinion of the experts is that it will cause long term damage so should be avoided if at all possible.

Playing who blinks first on the edge of the cliff is not wise politics.

 


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dannyboy1978 Flag 06 Sep 19 1.08pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

If you don't trust experts then more fool you.

I tend to believe people I know have more knowledge than I do on specific subjects.

That's why I consult a doctor rather than a plumber if I have a medical issue and a plumber rather than a doctor if my pipes burst.

Whilst not every doctor will agree on the best course of action there is usually a consensus. It's no different with the impact of a no deal Brexit. The overwhelming opinion of the experts is that it will cause long term damage so should be avoided if at all possible.

Playing who blinks first on the edge of the cliff is not wise politics.

Well it's lucky we didn't trust the experts and go into the euro single currency!!

 

Midlands Eagle Flag 06 Sep 19 1.14pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

If you don't trust experts then more fool you.

I tend to believe people I know have more knowledge than I do on specific subjects.

In the case of Brexit there are experts on both sides so I guess that you only follow those experts that agree with you

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

It's no different with the impact of a no deal Brexit. The overwhelming opinion of the experts is that it will cause long term damage so should be avoided if at all possible.

You are obviously following different experts to me as none of the opinions that I have seen state that there will be long term damage unless there is no intention of trying to forge a trading arrangement

 

Midlands Eagle Flag 06 Sep 19 1.15pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

If you don't trust experts then more fool you.

I tend to believe people I know have more knowledge than I do on specific subjects.

Like Alan Shearer and Gary Lineker on football matters I guess

 

Mapletree Flag Croydon 06 Sep 19 1.15pm

Originally posted by dannyboy1978

Well it's lucky we didn't trust the experts and go into the euro single currency!!

Unlike you to laud Tony Blair's government Danny.

 

cryrst Flag The garden of England 06 Sep 19 1.26pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

If you don't trust experts then more fool you.

I tend to believe people I know have more knowledge than I do on specific subjects.

That's why I consult a doctor rather than a plumber if I have a medical issue and a plumber rather than a doctor if my pipes burst.

Whilst not every doctor will agree on the best course of action there is usually a consensus. It's no different with the impact of a no deal Brexit. The overwhelming opinion of the experts is that it will cause long term damage so should be avoided if at all possible.

Playing who blinks first on the edge of the cliff is not wise politics.

If your pipes burst you definitely need a doctor.
Long term damage.
How long is that then?

 

dynamicdick Flag Dormansland 06 Sep 19 1.39pm

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

Utter, utter nonsense. BJ and Rees-Mogg were both Tory rebels themselves when May was trying to pass her deal, and they both voted against it more than once; why were they not expelled?
They have both voted against the party position numerous times throughout their career.

Some of these 21 who expelled voted in favour of May’s deal, so this notion that they’re anti-democratic, and trying to subvert Brexit is just more nonsense.

I find it beyond parody for someone to sit there calling MPs self-serving, back-stabbing, lying and spoilt whilst throwing their support behind Boris f***in Johnson.

But they rebelled regarding something that basically has killed any chance of the UK getting a better withdrawal than the one repeatedly rejected by Parliament. Boris Johnson was absolutely spot on with his tactics with the EU who were starting to believe that he would carry No Deal through. It was music to my ears as a leaver. This deserved the support of Parliament irrespective of their personal views on BJ. If not all then at least including the rebels plus those who were prepared to put this fine Country first before politics.
BJ quite rightly is prepared to be led around Brussels like some poodle and with it the UK being further laughed at.
I will repeat once again that the views and votes of the 17.4million who voted leave have not been given priority. This could well lead to civil unrest and if so the MP’s should have a serious look at themselves. SHOULD HAVE BACKED YOUR PM.
As for the rebels go and find another party in fact to be specific the LibDems as they wish to block Brexit.
Taking No Deal off the table merely prolongs the uncertainty and with it suffering of many businesses.
Finally, it would have been LEAVING the EU with no deal and NOT ‘crashing’. Just thought it worth clarifying.

 


Bring back Brolin

Invalid user 2019 Flag 06 Sep 19 1.40pm

I can't keep up with all of these twists and turns. I'm not sure if it's been mentioned here, but I did read that one route to a GE would be for the government to perform a vote of No Confidence against itself. Though then we could get the surreal situation where the government is voting No Confidence and other parties are refusing to support it.

 

Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 06 Sep 19 1.47pm

Originally posted by dannyboy1978

Well it's lucky we didn't trust the experts and go into the euro single currency!!

I don't recall there being any overwhelming expert opinion on that subject.

It was a political judgement.

 


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Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 06 Sep 19 1.47pm

Originally posted by dynamicdick

But they rebelled regarding something that basically has killed any chance of the UK getting a better withdrawal than the one repeatedly rejected by Parliament. Boris Johnson was absolutely spot on with his tactics with the EU who were starting to believe that he would carry No Deal through. It was music to my ears as a leaver. This deserved the support of Parliament irrespective of their personal views on BJ. If not all then at least including the rebels plus those who were prepared to put this fine Country first before politics.
BJ quite rightly is prepared to be led around Brussels like some poodle and with it the UK being further laughed at.
I will repeat once again that the views and votes of the 17.4million who voted leave have not been given priority. This could well lead to civil unrest and if so the MP’s should have a serious look at themselves. SHOULD HAVE BACKED YOUR PM.
As for the rebels go and find another party in fact to be specific the LibDems as they wish to block Brexit.
Taking No Deal off the table merely prolongs the uncertainty and with it suffering of many businesses.
Finally, it would have been LEAVING the EU with no deal and NOT ‘crashing’. Just thought it worth clarifying.

DynamicDick

May I congratulate you Sir on an excellent post.
I pay you the respect the zookeeper has for his hungriest cheetah.

 

Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 06 Sep 19 1.50pm

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

You are obviously following different experts to me as none of the opinions that I have seen state that there will be long term damage unless there is no intention of trying to forge a trading arrangement

Even those in favour suggest that it could be 30 years before the damage is repaired.

With the pace of change 30 years is several lifetimes, so really long term.

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 06 Sep 19 1.53pm

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

Like Alan Shearer and Gary Lineker on football matters I guess

They might have been expert goal scorers but are now simply pundits and not experts.

Now our Roy is in a different category.

 


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Invalid user 2019 Flag 06 Sep 19 1.57pm

Based of BoJo's own words I just can't imagine him asking the EU for an extension. But at the same time, there is likely to be an election in November now I'd say, and I doubt he'd want to step down when potentially it could result in him being prime minister for 5 years. A tricky situation. Three years plus in, and the next twist and turn still remains an unknown.

 

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