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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Your position goes beyond dogmatic. The people expected the referendum result to be honored as promised. Any other interpretation is purely an attempt by the losing side to get their own way regardless. It is people like you who have created this farce and continue to disrupt the process. You can keep repeating your old guff as often as you like but we can all see the excuses for avoiding democracy becoming more transparent by the day. You and your ilk are continually speaking like remaining is a done deal. It's bizarre. If we leave with some form of deal, we've left. End of. You lot can then fight over what you meant by leaving but that is for the birds. We will still have left. Don't throw your toys out of the pram simply because you won't be getting your version of 'leave'. That was never specified, and anyone who claims it meant this or that is simply making it up to suit their own position.
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
But it is OK to thwart the will of the people as determined by a referendum which was granted because such a decision was deemed to be too big for Parliament and should be put directly to the plebiscite. Do you know how ridiculous you sound when you say that Parliament should now overrule the result because it was the 'wrong' choice? Laughable. What's really laughable is that people on your side of the fence cannot accept that the reason the referendum was called in the first place was not because the decision was "too big for Parliament" but because it was too big for the Tory Party. If Parliament as a whole had been asked then we would not be in this mess. It was held to shut up the Eurosceptics once and for all but went badly wrong. Any referendum can be hijacked by the winds of fortune, political shenanigans, outside influences and money. That's no way to decide important issues which affect future generations much more than ourselves. Parliament is where the will of the people is represented. No one made a "wrong choice"! It's now just an out of date choice made on issues that have subsequently expanded in complexity with greater clarity over the implications.
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Originally posted by Jimenez
What on earth are you talking about? Referendums have never had any legal standpoint in the UK system.
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FFS you're full of it!
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Originally posted by cryrst
And what a swerving bunch of Utter, utter nonsense. BJ and Rees-Mogg were both Tory rebels themselves when May was trying to pass her deal, and they both voted against it more than once; why were they not expelled? Some of these 21 who expelled voted in favour of May’s deal, so this notion that they’re anti-democratic, and trying to subvert Brexit is just more nonsense. I find it beyond parody for someone to sit there calling MPs self-serving, back-stabbing, lying and spoilt whilst throwing their support behind Boris f***in Johnson.
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Originally posted by Badger11
I was about to agree with you then I remembered that the fishy woman wants another for Scotland. The way she is sucking up to Labour she may get it.
good let the jocks go, they definitely need us more than we need them
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Originally posted by cryrst
What are you on about ,again! If you don't trust experts then more fool you. I tend to believe people I know have more knowledge than I do on specific subjects. That's why I consult a doctor rather than a plumber if I have a medical issue and a plumber rather than a doctor if my pipes burst. Whilst not every doctor will agree on the best course of action there is usually a consensus. It's no different with the impact of a no deal Brexit. The overwhelming opinion of the experts is that it will cause long term damage so should be avoided if at all possible. Playing who blinks first on the edge of the cliff is not wise politics.
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
If you don't trust experts then more fool you. That's why I consult a doctor rather than a plumber if I have a medical issue and a plumber rather than a doctor if my pipes burst. Whilst not every doctor will agree on the best course of action there is usually a consensus. It's no different with the impact of a no deal Brexit. The overwhelming opinion of the experts is that it will cause long term damage so should be avoided if at all possible. Playing who blinks first on the edge of the cliff is not wise politics. Well it's lucky we didn't trust the experts and go into the euro single currency!!
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
If you don't trust experts then more fool you. I tend to believe people I know have more knowledge than I do on specific subjects. In the case of Brexit there are experts on both sides so I guess that you only follow those experts that agree with you Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
It's no different with the impact of a no deal Brexit. The overwhelming opinion of the experts is that it will cause long term damage so should be avoided if at all possible. You are obviously following different experts to me as none of the opinions that I have seen state that there will be long term damage unless there is no intention of trying to forge a trading arrangement
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
If you don't trust experts then more fool you. I tend to believe people I know have more knowledge than I do on specific subjects. Like Alan Shearer and Gary Lineker on football matters I guess
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Originally posted by dannyboy1978
Well it's lucky we didn't trust the experts and go into the euro single currency!! Unlike you to laud Tony Blair's government Danny.
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
If you don't trust experts then more fool you. I tend to believe people I know have more knowledge than I do on specific subjects. That's why I consult a doctor rather than a plumber if I have a medical issue and a plumber rather than a doctor if my pipes burst. Whilst not every doctor will agree on the best course of action there is usually a consensus. It's no different with the impact of a no deal Brexit. The overwhelming opinion of the experts is that it will cause long term damage so should be avoided if at all possible. Playing who blinks first on the edge of the cliff is not wise politics. If your pipes burst you definitely need a doctor.
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
Utter, utter nonsense. BJ and Rees-Mogg were both Tory rebels themselves when May was trying to pass her deal, and they both voted against it more than once; why were they not expelled? Some of these 21 who expelled voted in favour of May’s deal, so this notion that they’re anti-democratic, and trying to subvert Brexit is just more nonsense. I find it beyond parody for someone to sit there calling MPs self-serving, back-stabbing, lying and spoilt whilst throwing their support behind Boris f***in Johnson. But they rebelled regarding something that basically has killed any chance of the UK getting a better withdrawal than the one repeatedly rejected by Parliament. Boris Johnson was absolutely spot on with his tactics with the EU who were starting to believe that he would carry No Deal through. It was music to my ears as a leaver. This deserved the support of Parliament irrespective of their personal views on BJ. If not all then at least including the rebels plus those who were prepared to put this fine Country first before politics.
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Originally posted by dannyboy1978
Well it's lucky we didn't trust the experts and go into the euro single currency!! I don't recall there being any overwhelming expert opinion on that subject. It was a political judgement.
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Originally posted by dynamicdick
But they rebelled regarding something that basically has killed any chance of the UK getting a better withdrawal than the one repeatedly rejected by Parliament. Boris Johnson was absolutely spot on with his tactics with the EU who were starting to believe that he would carry No Deal through. It was music to my ears as a leaver. This deserved the support of Parliament irrespective of their personal views on BJ. If not all then at least including the rebels plus those who were prepared to put this fine Country first before politics. DynamicDick May I congratulate you Sir on an excellent post.
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
You are obviously following different experts to me as none of the opinions that I have seen state that there will be long term damage unless there is no intention of trying to forge a trading arrangement Even those in favour suggest that it could be 30 years before the damage is repaired. With the pace of change 30 years is several lifetimes, so really long term.
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
Like Alan Shearer and Gary Lineker on football matters I guess They might have been expert goal scorers but are now simply pundits and not experts. Now our Roy is in a different category.
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