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Originally posted by Mapletree
Not that it affects any of my points. But we talk with and message people in other EU countries most days. Their views are not even close to those you describe. Your views are so skewed towards the EU that I don't believe much of that BS if I'm being honest...
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Originally posted by silvertop
That .makes no sense. Also if leavers get in a strop and withdraw their vote then remainers will dominate politics for a generation. Maybe not to you, living in that little remoaner bubble of yours!
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Originally posted by the silurian
I'll ignore the personal insults as ducks have more permeable backs than me. I accept I am a minority here, but that's far from true in the real world. If you don't think that Parliament failing to find a way to exit that they can reach a majority decision on is not a significant change to their original position then I don't think you are being realistic. We voted OUT and most MPs are doing their utmost to renege on that deal....'we will honour the result of the referendum'...yeah right! Self serving bunch they are!! You voted out but 48% of us didn't. Their interests, along with everyone who did not vote or could not vote matter too. MPs represent us all and have not been trying to renege on anything. They have been trying to find an exit that does the least harm but know that leaving without a formal agreement is irresponsible and not what most people wanted. If, as you say the EU dont want a no deal, they are certainly going about it in a strange way....if they had only given Cameron a little bit when he went to them, none of this s*** would be happening....they really just want to punish us for leaving and to stop anyone else wanting to leave...Frexit? Spanexit? Certainly lots of people here in France would love to get out
Edited by the silurian (11 Sep 2019 9.40pm)
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Originally posted by SW19 CPFC
So the latest iteration of yellowhammer is out. We’ve already spent 8bn on no deal mitigation, 2bn of which was hastily added recently as it became a genuine possibility. As expected some claims have been overblown, but the devil is in the detail. Enough of which is too much disruption for no good reason, especially when the option of a deal is viable. Still want a no deal at all costs? Anyone got a knife for all these noses? Like moths to a flame. I’d rather leave with a deal, thanks very much. Hopefully this will put the final nail in the coffin of the idea that leaving without a deal is an acceptable alternative in ANY circumstances. Hopefully it will also lay to rest the idea that Parliament are fighting against the wishes of the people. Nobody wishes to be poorer and Parliament is acting in their interests.
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Originally posted by Maine Eagle
Behold the cognitive dissonance. person 1: This is project fear on steroids, negative scare mongering to undermine the "will of the people"! person 2: This is a clear and correct view of just how f***ed up no deal would be, no one voted for this s***! person 1 types: Stirley, Hrolfy....90% of people on holmesdale.net person 2 types me, old maple syrup, some dude from wisbech and a bloke called dan. 1. Why are the EU once again pumping funds into a continually failing system? (The clue is in 'continually'
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Hopefully this will put the final nail in the coffin of the idea that leaving without a deal is an acceptable alternative in ANY circumstances. Hopefully it will also lay to rest the idea that Parliament are fighting against the wishes of the people. Nobody wishes to be poorer and Parliament is acting in their interests. Plenty of partisans on the leave side are frothing at the mouth to be poorer, at least in the short term. Literally at any cost. Worth noting that these things are worst case not expected case, but the mere existence of them as a possibility is enough. I buy the argument that in the long term anything could happen but I work in observable fact, opinion or consensus and that’s enough for me to not want a no deal.
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Originally posted by .TUX.
1. Why are the EU once again pumping funds into a continually failing system? (The clue is in 'continually' Everyone is pumping funds into a continually failing system. The clue is in ‘capitalism’. What’s your realistic alternative? Socialism? Unregulated decentralisation? Acid?
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Originally posted by SW19 CPFC
Everyone is pumping funds into a continually failing system. The clue is in ‘capitalism’. What’s your realistic alternative? Socialism? Unregulated decentralisation? Acid? It's crony capitalism ie one that you, i and nobody else here (i'm guessing) is privvy to. How many more clues do you need?
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Originally posted by .TUX.
1. Why are the EU once again pumping funds into a continually failing system? (The clue is in 'continually' Your points are always very close to being spot on (in my opinion) but surely the best outcome for us is either to: 1. Remain and now we’ve caused all this fuss push for some proper reform as one of the biggest economies and most powerful countries in the world Or 2. Leave with a deal that actually puts us on a decent footing to maintain as much of the trading status quo as possible and not ostracise us completely No deal is ridiculous on so many levels and will take a generation to change.
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Originally posted by .TUX.
It's crony capitalism ie one that you, i and nobody else here (i'm guessing) is privvy to. How many more clues do you need? Haha. Capitalism is by its very nature crony. As already implied by the original post. ‘At least understand the system’ - are you for real? Anyone with a basic grasp of life understands that capitalism is corrupt, exploitative and gamed, but it’s the least worst option. Answer the question
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Originally posted by DanH
Your points are always very close to being spot on (in my opinion) but surely the best outcome for us is either to: 1. Remain and now we’ve caused all this fuss push for some proper reform as one of the biggest economies and most powerful countries in the world Or 2. Leave with a deal that actually puts us on a decent footing to maintain as much of the trading status quo as possible and not ostracise us completely No deal is ridiculous on so many levels and will take a generation to change. Biggest economies and most powerful countries is overstating it a bit perhaps. Especially on the trajectory we’ve been on for a while now. A lot of our international power comes by proxy courtesy of the good ol USA
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Originally posted by SW19 CPFC
Haha. Capitalism is by its very nature crony. As already implied by the original post. ‘At least understand the system’ - are you for real? Anyone with a basic grasp of life understands that capitalism is corrupt, exploitative and gamed, but it’s the least worst option. Answer the question
If you want true capitalism go to a boot-market. It's the perfect model.
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Originally posted by dollardays
Westminster voting intention: CON: 38% (-4) via @KantarTNS, 05 - 09 Sep Note: Kantar do not prompt for the Greens and the Brexit Party on the same page as the other three parties Once again we have no information regarding the failing block.
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Originally posted by .TUX.
Once again we have no information regarding the failing block. It's interesting to see where the polls point at any given moment in time, especially at such a volatile time like this. For instance, to me, the last few polls probably point towards the some kind of Tory-Brexit Party pact happening even though that doesn't fit the noises that are currently being put out there by the Conservatives. It's a true that the EU is failing in one way or another, on account that one of its most important members is perpetually on the verge of waving goodbye.. albeit a very, very long goodbye. Edited by dollardays (12 Sep 2019 1.27am)
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Originally posted by dollardays
It's interesting to see where the polls point at any given moment in time, especially at such a volatile time like this. For instance, to me, the last few polls probably point towards the some kind of Tory-Brexit Party pact happening even though that doesn't fit the noises that are currently being put out there by the Conservatives. It's a true that the EU is failing in one way or another, on account that one of its most important members is perpetually on the verge of waving goodbye.. albeit a very, very long goodbye. Edited by dollardays (12 Sep 2019 1.27am) A 'Wisbech' effort at best.
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Originally posted by Mapletree
In parachuting I nearly got wiped out by Lewis Collins from The Professionals when he did a low hook turn where he didn't a ought a. In caving scared myself stupid getting stuck in a corkscrew. The last line could be 50 shades of mapletree
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