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cryrst The garden of England 29 Dec 18 7.34am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays You are talking proportional representation....when the system we have is first past the post. Look at proportional representation governments around the world.....It's a fairer system but it produces lousy governance. Just like what May came back with.....All designed for a revote to join. Edited by Stirlingsays (28 Dec 2018 8.28pm) But it happens every where. Look at anything you do rightly or wrongly within the law. There are different levels of reward or punishment. Surely that is a similar thing. I wont kick up if the plug is pulled thotally on the eu as my team lost a vote. Palace dont get points for 31 chances unless they score but because we draw the other team gets half the spoils even if they use a bus. I cant see how the close vote doesnt merit trying to appease both sides.
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cryrst

The garden of England 29 Dec 18 7.34am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

You are talking proportional representation....when the system we have is first past the post.

Look at proportional representation governments around the world.....It's a fairer system but it produces lousy governance.

Just like what May came back with.....All designed for a revote to join.

Edited by Stirlingsays (28 Dec 2018 8.28pm)

But it happens every where.
Look at anything you do rightly or wrongly within the law.
There are different levels of reward or punishment.
Surely that is a similar thing.
I wont kick up if the plug is pulled thotally on the eu as my team lost a vote.
Palace dont get points for 31 chances unless they score but because we draw the other team gets half the spoils even if they use a bus.
I cant see how the close vote doesnt merit trying to appease both sides.

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cryrst The garden of England 29 Dec 18 7.36am
Originally posted by steve1984 Report post to moderator would you mind yellow carding this toe rag please. Not your call steve. Need balls to be on here. Get with the game matey
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cryrst

The garden of England 29 Dec 18 7.36am

Originally posted by steve1984

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would you mind yellow carding this toe rag please.

Not your call steve.
Need balls to be on here.
Get with the game matey

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dannyboy1978 29 Dec 18 9.25am
Originally posted by cryrst But it happens every where. Look at anything you do rightly or wrongly within the law. There are different levels of reward or punishment. Surely that is a similar thing. I wont kick up if the plug is pulled thotally on the eu as my team lost a vote. Palace dont get points for 31 chances unless they score but because we draw the other team gets half the spoils even if they use a bus. I cant see how the close vote doesnt merit trying to appease both sides. If leave had lost by a small margin what concessions do you honestly think remain would have given , I am intreaged as to your answer because personally I think nothing. Edited by dannyboy1978 (29 Dec 2018 10.07am)
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29 Dec 18 9.25am

Originally posted by cryrst

If leave had lost by a small margin what concessions do you honestly think remain would have given , I am intreaged as to your answer because personally I think nothing.

Edited by dannyboy1978 (29 Dec 2018 10.07am)

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Mapletree Croydon 29 Dec 18 10.13am
Originally posted by cryrst Not your call steve. Need balls to be on here. Get with the game matey Apparently you were wrong This forum isn’t an arm wrestling match, even though some like to treat it as an opportunity to compensate for their own inadequacies by withering others.
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Croydon 29 Dec 18 10.13am

Originally posted by cryrst

Not your call steve.
Need balls to be on here.
Get with the game matey

Apparently you were wrong

This forum isn’t an arm wrestling match, even though some like to treat it as an opportunity to compensate for their own inadequacies by withering others.

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Stirlingsays 29 Dec 18 10.19am
Originally posted by steve1984 Doesn't have to be just about money though. The Bournville model village, Lever Bros Port Sunlight and Timpsons the heel bar business being good examples. Edited by steve1984 (28 Dec 2018 11.55pm) Treating your workforce well is just good business. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Stirlingsays

29 Dec 18 10.19am

Originally posted by steve1984

Doesn't have to be just about money though. The Bournville model village, Lever Bros Port Sunlight and Timpsons the heel bar business being good examples.

Edited by steve1984 (28 Dec 2018 11.55pm)

Treating your workforce well is just good business.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Stirlingsays 29 Dec 18 10.28am
Originally posted by cryrst But it happens every where. Look at anything you do rightly or wrongly within the law. There are different levels of reward or punishment. Surely that is a similar thing. I wont kick up if the plug is pulled thotally on the eu as my team lost a vote. Palace dont get points for 31 chances unless they score but because we draw the other team gets half the spoils even if they use a bus. I cant see how the close vote doesnt merit trying to appease both sides. Like I said, proportional representation is a fairer system. I'm never going to argue that point. However, we are talking about effective government here....not what is fair. Indeed we have the advantage of seeing proportional representation systems around the world in action.....It's a significant argument against them. Huge problems have been created by people's visions on fairness. That's how communism started.....and that led to a large higher pile of bones than fascism did. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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29 Dec 18 10.28am

Originally posted by cryrst

Like I said, proportional representation is a fairer system. I'm never going to argue that point.

However, we are talking about effective government here....not what is fair. Indeed we have the advantage of seeing proportional representation systems around the world in action.....It's a significant argument against them.

Huge problems have been created by people's visions on fairness. That's how communism started.....and that led to a large higher pile of bones than fascism did.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Mapletree Croydon 29 Dec 18 10.48am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Treating your workforce well is just good business. You would think Yet there are many businesses that do extremely well through not doing so. It isn’t as simple an equation as it may appear. On the other hand the Quakers did it primarily due to their principles. It wasn’t necessary looking simply at the market.
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Croydon 29 Dec 18 10.48am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Treating your workforce well is just good business.

You would think

Yet there are many businesses that do extremely well through not doing so. It isn’t as simple an equation as it may appear.

On the other hand the Quakers did it primarily due to their principles. It wasn’t necessary looking simply at the market.

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Stirlingsays 29 Dec 18 11.51am
Originally posted by Mapletree You would think Yet there are many businesses that do extremely well through not doing so. It isn’t as simple an equation as it may appear. On the other hand the Quakers did it primarily due to their principles. It wasn’t necessary looking simply at the market. As we know, treating your workforce well leads to higher retention over those that don't. For some professions that is more important than for others depending upon the complexity....but I would consider it just a generally sensible policy both ethically and business wise. Of course, the business has to be doing well enough....which traditionally socialism hasn't a good track record on.....neo liberalism much more so....but that fecks the working class in other ways. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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29 Dec 18 11.51am

Originally posted by Mapletree

You would think

Yet there are many businesses that do extremely well through not doing so. It isn’t as simple an equation as it may appear.

On the other hand the Quakers did it primarily due to their principles. It wasn’t necessary looking simply at the market.

As we know, treating your workforce well leads to higher retention over those that don't. For some professions that is more important than for others depending upon the complexity....but I would consider it just a generally sensible policy both ethically and business wise.

Of course, the business has to be doing well enough....which traditionally socialism hasn't a good track record on.....neo liberalism much more so....but that fecks the working class in other ways.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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steve1984 29 Dec 18 12.23pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Treating your workforce well is just good business. I guess that's what I meant. Although it seems to have become a rather unfashionable concept.
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steve1984 29 Dec 18 12.23pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Treating your workforce well is just good business.

I guess that's what I meant. Although it seems to have become a rather unfashionable concept.

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Mapletree Croydon 29 Dec 18 12.34pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays As we know, treating your workforce well leads to higher retention over those that don't. For some professions that is more important than for others depending upon the complexity....but I would consider it just a generally sensible policy both ethically and business wise. Of course, the business has to be doing well enough....which traditionally socialism hasn't a good track record on.....neo liberalism much more so....but that fecks the working class in other ways. As usual you narrowly miss my point. It is not a sensible policy for some businesses. I have worked for highly cynical businesses. In their opinion paying low, abusing workers, demanding ridiculous hours and eventually having ex employees hating you is simply the name of the game. Their leadership was relatively sociopathic but managed to convince themselves it was just how business should work. The possible trade off between replacing employee turnover and meanwhile having cheap and overworked labour is calculated and a decision made in the interests of the business. Or usually more truthfully the owners of the business. Recently I have been shocked at the prevalence of such thinking. I could name names.
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Croydon 29 Dec 18 12.34pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Of course, the business has to be doing well enough....which traditionally socialism hasn't a good track record on.....neo liberalism much more so....but that fecks the working class in other ways.

As usual you narrowly miss my point.

It is not a sensible policy for some businesses. I have worked for highly cynical businesses. In their opinion paying low, abusing workers, demanding ridiculous hours and eventually having ex employees hating you is simply the name of the game. Their leadership was relatively sociopathic but managed to convince themselves it was just how business should work.

The possible trade off between replacing employee turnover and meanwhile having cheap and overworked labour is calculated and a decision made in the interests of the business. Or usually more truthfully the owners of the business. Recently I have been shocked at the prevalence of such thinking.

I could name names.

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Stirlingsays 29 Dec 18 12.37pm
Originally posted by Mapletree Apparently you were wrong This forum isn’t an arm wrestling match, even though some like to treat it as an opportunity to compensate for their own inadequacies by withering others. It is for those that wish to arm wrestle. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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29 Dec 18 12.37pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

Apparently you were wrong

This forum isn’t an arm wrestling match, even though some like to treat it as an opportunity to compensate for their own inadequacies by withering others.

It is for those that wish to arm wrestle.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Stirlingsays 29 Dec 18 12.41pm
Originally posted by Mapletree As usual you narrowly miss my point. It is not a sensible policy for some businesses. I have worked for highly cynical businesses. In their opinion paying low, abusing workers, demanding ridiculous hours and eventually having ex employees hating you is simply the name of the game. Their leadership was relatively sociopathic but managed to convince themselves it was just how business should work. The possible trade off between replacing employee turnover and meanwhile having cheap and overworked labour is calculated and a decision made in the interests of the business. Or usually more truthfully the owners of the business. Recently I have been shocked at the prevalence of such thinking. I could name names. How did I miss your point exactly? 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Stirlingsays

29 Dec 18 12.41pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

As usual you narrowly miss my point.

I could name names.

How did I miss your point exactly?

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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