Wasn't that entirely down to turnout?

If so it's disingenuous to claim that has any relevance to the question I asked.

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Well people tend to turn out for things they care about.

If they don’t care why would they have an opinion?

People decide not to vote for many reasons, often because they think their vote won't make any difference. Those that care deeply are more likely to vote but that really is irrelevant to the issue.

If only 45% voted in the Mayoral election then 55% of the people didn't. That translate to basic numbers which are misleading when compared to a much higher turnout. It's just the maths.

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Shortage of school places
General overpopulation
Loss of British values/way of life/culture and general identity.

That’s enough to sway me.

Zero wage rises = Tory policy to kill the power of trade unions, and working class Sun, Daily Mail, Express readers that supported it.

Chronic housing shortage = sell off the housing stock as a bribe to get working class people voting Tory and do not invest in public housing. Tory policy.

Massive over stretched NHS - non British staff contribute massively to staffing or haven't you been there for a while? Run own the NHS - Tory Policy. The Tories have already privatized loads of it and the Sun, Daily Mail have turned blind eye.

General overpopulation - The Tories are already backing away from their immigration controls,so if it undermines labour cost, don't expect support from them.

Loss of British values/way of life/culture and general identity - what does that mean? I don't blame the Europeans for Halloween, rugby league teams with American names, or baseball caps worn backwards or for the highstreets all looking the same. The Latter is globalization, which stems from Reagan and Thatcher allowing capital to leave the country easily. So if we demand decent rights, businesses out-source jobs to Asia or now Eastern Europe.

If these are your reasons for wanting to leave Europe, you have been taken for a right royal mug by the rich (most likely non-British resident owner) of the paper you read. A mug that is putty in the hand of the right wing press.

The reason why I have recently refrained from participating in the referee threads is because of the fact that my honest opinions were the catalyst for those dastardly Willo threads where personal vilification was a poor substitute for sensible and reasoned debate and de-railment was par for the course.

I tell yea, 31th October can't come quickly enough.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

I abstained from the original referendum on the grounds that i didn't know and couldn't find out (it turns out because nobody knew) what leaving would entail, but i didn't want to bolster the remain side either buy voting for them by default. We had been down that road before with the "PR" referendum, when they offered such a crap, half-arsed version of something not even close to PR that i had to vote to retain FPTP, they then used the result to say "see, nobody wants PR"

I still think by far the likely outcome is either (1) The crappy May deal with some wording changes or (2) An extension with some form of leaver takeover of the government

The one thing I'm also struggling with is what happens if we do leave with a decent WA or a no deal i.e. I can't see the remainers either not trying to sabotage the economy in the short term or just campaigning to bring us straight back in (probably both). They are desperate extremists now and seem to stop at nothing.

Do you like trick or treating that much then?