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Teddy Eagle 25 Feb 20 7.58pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle That's not what they wanted was it? What they wanted was to get away with it. What they got was slower than some might like but still did, and is continuing to, deliver justice. They did get away with it for years and to the detriment of many young girls. Not to go round the loop again but had public awareness of the issue not been raised they may have got away with it indefinitely.
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Teddy Eagle

25 Feb 20 7.58pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

That's not what they wanted was it?

What they wanted was to get away with it.

What they got was slower than some might like but still did, and is continuing to, deliver justice.

They did get away with it for years and to the detriment of many young girls. Not to go round the loop again but had public awareness of the issue not been raised they may have got away with it indefinitely.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 25 Feb 20 8.00pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Dream on. All you have done is bore any potential reader senseless with you dismal twaddle and confirm to anyone in doubt that you talk a lot of old crap. If anything, you are the best motivation for moving to the right I have seen on here. I am not dreaming of anything. It would just be a side effect but a welcome one. Moving any further to the right is hardly going to make much difference is it? As I have suggested many times there is no compulsion at all to read my posts let alone respond to them. So the fault, and the answer, lies entirely in your own hands and not mine. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 25 Feb 20 8.00pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Dream on.

All you have done is bore any potential reader senseless with you dismal twaddle and confirm to anyone in doubt that you talk a lot of old crap.

If anything, you are the best motivation for moving to the right I have seen on here.

I am not dreaming of anything. It would just be a side effect but a welcome one.

Moving any further to the right is hardly going to make much difference is it?

As I have suggested many times there is no compulsion at all to read my posts let alone respond to them.

So the fault, and the answer, lies entirely in your own hands and not mine.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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cryrst The garden of England 25 Feb 20 8.15pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle I did read that but haven't yet studied the report in any detail. I agree though that at first sight it doesn't look good. Like all things we can always be wise after the event. We live in different times now, with different standards and expectations. That's not an excuse. Just a statement of reality. The important thing is to keep on learning and reacting. As you suggest. You cannot have it both ways. Society has progressed and become more inclusive and we have had to adapt to the consequences. Yet some resist that. I think though there is a big danger in trying to judge yesterday's events by today's standards. In everything. What we need to do is use yesterday's mistakes to be better tomorrow. consequences to becoming more inclusive! It seems only the indigenous population are feeling the consequences by not being allowed to voice objection to a lack of inclusion by said people being included. Also bringing a warped view of how society should be here in the country they have been offered inclusion in.
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The garden of England 25 Feb 20 8.15pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I did read that but haven't yet studied the report in any detail. I agree though that at first sight it doesn't look good.

Like all things we can always be wise after the event. We live in different times now, with different standards and expectations. That's not an excuse. Just a statement of reality. The important thing is to keep on learning and reacting. As you suggest.

You cannot have it both ways. Society has progressed and become more inclusive and we have had to adapt to the consequences. Yet some resist that.

I think though there is a big danger in trying to judge yesterday's events by today's standards. In everything. What we need to do is use yesterday's mistakes to be better tomorrow.

consequences to becoming more inclusive!
It seems only the indigenous population are feeling the consequences by not being allowed to voice objection to a lack of inclusion by said people being included.
Also bringing a warped view of how society should be here in the country they have been offered inclusion in.

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Stirlingsays 25 Feb 20 8.16pm
Did I really hear a 'that was then, this is now' excuse from WE? Funny but I don't actually remember a time in the past where it was accepted to fiddle with kids, or cover it up. Sure, I remember a time where men and women behaved in a more traditional fashion.....Politicians weren't expected to be deviants......Even the straights like Profumo rather famously lost his job over a sex scandal....and there was never a time where fecking kids was just considered a cultural norm. If it had came out back then it would also have been a scandal.....that's why it was sodding covered up in the first place. Edited by Stirlingsays (25 Feb 2020 8.17pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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25 Feb 20 8.16pm

Did I really hear a 'that was then, this is now' excuse from WE?

Funny but I don't actually remember a time in the past where it was accepted to fiddle with kids, or cover it up.

Sure, I remember a time where men and women behaved in a more traditional fashion.....Politicians weren't expected to be deviants......Even the straights like Profumo rather famously lost his job over a sex scandal....and there was never a time where fecking kids was just considered a cultural norm.

If it had came out back then it would also have been a scandal.....that's why it was sodding covered up in the first place.

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Stirlingsays 25 Feb 20 8.21pm
Originally posted by cryrst consequences to becoming more inclusive! It seems only the indigenous population are feeling the consequences by not being allowed to voice objection to a lack of inclusion by said people being included. Also bringing a warped view of how society should be here in the country they have been offered inclusion in. You notice how often the ones who make a big thing about being 'inclusive' always seem to live in the 'exclusive' and more expensive areas. Edited by Stirlingsays (25 Feb 2020 8.22pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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25 Feb 20 8.21pm

Originally posted by cryrst

You notice how often the ones who make a big thing about being 'inclusive' always seem to live in the 'exclusive' and more expensive areas.

Edited by Stirlingsays (25 Feb 2020 8.22pm)

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 25 Feb 20 8.39pm
Originally posted by Teddy Eagle They did get away with it for years and to the detriment of many young girls. Not to go round the loop again but had public awareness of the issue not been raised they may have got away with it indefinitely. As I said, not as quickly as some would like, due to the issue either not being taken seriously enough or the need to tread carefully within the communities. No-one though followed a policy of appeasement which implies just giving in. This was more softly, softly. Who knows what public awareness has done? It is assumed by some that was the answer to everything but it could easily have actually complicated things for Police enquiries that were quietly advancing in their own way. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 25 Feb 20 8.39pm

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

As I said, not as quickly as some would like, due to the issue either not being taken seriously enough or the need to tread carefully within the communities. No-one though followed a policy of appeasement which implies just giving in. This was more softly, softly.

Who knows what public awareness has done? It is assumed by some that was the answer to everything but it could easily have actually complicated things for Police enquiries that were quietly advancing in their own way.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 25 Feb 20 8.47pm
Originally posted by cryrst consequences to becoming more inclusive! It seems only the indigenous population are feeling the consequences by not being allowed to voice objection to a lack of inclusion by said people being included. Also bringing a warped view of how society should be here in the country they have been offered inclusion in. How are you being denied the opportunity to voice your objections? So long as you don't threaten anyone you can say whatever you like. Try to keep it factual though and don't just attack "Muslims". Wanting others to adjust to the expectations of the country they have decided to move to isn't unreasonable either. So say so. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 25 Feb 20 8.47pm

Originally posted by cryrst

How are you being denied the opportunity to voice your objections? So long as you don't threaten anyone you can say whatever you like. Try to keep it factual though and don't just attack "Muslims".

Wanting others to adjust to the expectations of the country they have decided to move to isn't unreasonable either. So say so.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Teddy Eagle 25 Feb 20 8.58pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle As I said, not as quickly as some would like, due to the issue either not being taken seriously enough or the need to tread carefully within the communities. No-one though followed a policy of appeasement which implies just giving in. This was more softly, softly. Who knows what public awareness has done? It is assumed by some that was the answer to everything but it could easily have actually complicated things for Police enquiries that were quietly advancing in their own way. OK, it may have been a coincidence that so many grooming gangs have been arrested and convicted since public awareness was raised. If nothing else informing people of the situation should have alerted parents to the danger their children were in. How would this look if there was a serial killer at large but the decision was taken to keep it all as under wraps as possible resulting in several more murders?
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25 Feb 20 8.58pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

OK, it may have been a coincidence that so many grooming gangs have been arrested and convicted since public awareness was raised.
If nothing else informing people of the situation should have alerted parents to the danger their children were in.
How would this look if there was a serial killer at large but the decision was taken to keep it all as under wraps as possible resulting in several more murders?

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cryrst The garden of England 25 Feb 20 9.10pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle How are you being denied the opportunity to voice your objections? So long as you don't threaten anyone you can say whatever you like. Try to keep it factual though and don't just attack "Muslims". Wanting others to adjust to the expectations of the country they have decided to move to isn't unreasonable either. So say so. I give you Tommy robinson. Hasnt gone well has it?
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The garden of England 25 Feb 20 9.10pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

How are you being denied the opportunity to voice your objections? So long as you don't threaten anyone you can say whatever you like. Try to keep it factual though and don't just attack "Muslims".

Wanting others to adjust to the expectations of the country they have decided to move to isn't unreasonable either. So say so.

I give you
Tommy robinson.
Hasnt gone well has it?

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Belmont 25 Feb 20 9.31pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle I did read that but haven't yet studied the report in any detail. I agree though that at first sight it doesn't look good. Like all things we can always be wise after the event. We live in different times now, with different standards and expectations. That's not an excuse. Just a statement of reality. The important thing is to keep on learning and reacting. As you suggest. You cannot have it both ways. Society has progressed and become more inclusive and we have had to adapt to the consequences. Yet some resist that. I think though there is a big danger in trying to judge yesterday's events by today's standards. In everything. What we need to do is use yesterday's mistakes to be better tomorrow. We are talking a timescale of roughly ten years since the first conviction of these gangs you are talking like it was century ago. I can't express the disgust I feel regarding the cover up of these crimes and the disgust I feel for the people who covered it up. We are talking about a police cover up here.
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25 Feb 20 9.31pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I did read that but haven't yet studied the report in any detail. I agree though that at first sight it doesn't look good.

Like all things we can always be wise after the event. We live in different times now, with different standards and expectations. That's not an excuse. Just a statement of reality. The important thing is to keep on learning and reacting. As you suggest.

You cannot have it both ways. Society has progressed and become more inclusive and we have had to adapt to the consequences. Yet some resist that.

I think though there is a big danger in trying to judge yesterday's events by today's standards. In everything. What we need to do is use yesterday's mistakes to be better tomorrow.

We are talking a timescale of roughly ten years since the first conviction of these gangs you are talking like it was century ago. I can't express the disgust I feel regarding the cover up of these crimes and the disgust I feel for the people who covered it up.

We are talking about a police cover up here.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 25 Feb 20 9.59pm
SS has quite regularly misrepresented my views on the grooming gang scandal and he is at it again. I won't dignify it, or"bore" anyone, by repeating everything once again. Those who want to believe him will, whatever I say to the contrary. I will just say it's a deliberately twisted presentation of my desire not to tarnish every Muslim with the sins of some who are criminals alongside my wish to try to support the Police in their efforts to deal with these problems, knowing they are unresourced and under heavy criticism. That doesn't mean that if mistakes have been made they ought to be covered up. I just don't think that "Police bashing" helps anyone and the kind of activity that "Robinson" indulges in is distinctly negative in impact. This quote demonstrates where we differ:- "The reactions of the police in ensuring no publicity not only compounded the situation and allowed it to carry on for years". No-one knows if that is true. No-one knows whether things would have been better if there had been heavy publicity earlier. It's an assumption. It might have caused the criminals communities to close even tighter around them and have hampered the Police's ability to investigate. It might have caused a severe breakdown in trust between local communities. I don't know, but what I am quite sure about is that who-ever took the decision did so with the best of intentions. They thought it was the best way forward and whilst time may have shown that to be wrong, in some people's opinion,they ought not be castigated. They need to be supported. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 25 Feb 20 9.59pm

SS has quite regularly misrepresented my views on the grooming gang scandal and he is at it again. I won't dignify it, or"bore" anyone, by repeating everything once again. Those who want to believe him will, whatever I say to the contrary.

I will just say it's a deliberately twisted presentation of my desire not to tarnish every Muslim with the sins of some who are criminals alongside my wish to try to support the Police in their efforts to deal with these problems, knowing they are unresourced and under heavy criticism. That doesn't mean that if mistakes have been made they ought to be covered up. I just don't think that "Police bashing" helps anyone and the kind of activity that "Robinson" indulges in is distinctly negative in impact.

This quote demonstrates where we differ:-

"The reactions of the police in ensuring no publicity not only compounded the situation and allowed it to carry on for years".

No-one knows if that is true. No-one knows whether things would have been better if there had been heavy publicity earlier. It's an assumption. It might have caused the criminals communities to close even tighter around them and have hampered the Police's ability to investigate. It might have caused a severe breakdown in trust between local communities. I don't know, but what I am quite sure about is that who-ever took the decision did so with the best of intentions. They thought it was the best way forward and whilst time may have shown that to be wrong, in some people's opinion,they ought not be castigated. They need to be supported.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 25 Feb 20 10.05pm
Originally posted by Teddy Eagle OK, it may have been a coincidence that so many grooming gangs have been arrested and convicted since public awareness was raised. If nothing else informing people of the situation should have alerted parents to the danger their children were in. How would this look if there was a serial killer at large but the decision was taken to keep it all as under wraps as possible resulting in several more murders? Do we know whether the Police have ever decided not to publicise the existence of a serial killer? If they think they feed on the oxygen of publicity they might well do so. We don't know. Only those in operational charge of any investigation knows what the thinking behind every decision was. Second guessing these might make good headlines in the Mail but doesn't actually tell us very much. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 25 Feb 20 10.05pm

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

Do we know whether the Police have ever decided not to publicise the existence of a serial killer? If they think they feed on the oxygen of publicity they might well do so.

We don't know. Only those in operational charge of any investigation knows what the thinking behind every decision was. Second guessing these might make good headlines in the Mail but doesn't actually tell us very much.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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