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Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 18 Sep 19 9.18am

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle


And provided Gina Miller approves the outcome.

Gina Miller funded by George Soros. And we had people on here, mainly DanH I think, criticising brexiters and friends of Johnson shorting the U.K. economy. Ha ha ha. Gina Miller, just looking to uphold law. She’s more remain than Steeleye.

Edited by Rudi Hedman (18 Sep 2019 9.31am)

 


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steeleye20 Flag Croydon 18 Sep 19 10.11am

I can't see Johnson being defeated here but it is unjust.

They are judging by the law, all written down, not our bonkers unwritten constitution.

It seems that 'what did we do last time' seems to be the constitution, but who knows.

Presumably a PM can just suspend a parliament whenever he feels like it.

Imagine how much all this circus is costing, no such justice would be available to you or I, you have to be stinking rich like the government with taxpayer funding, or Soros.

 

Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 18 Sep 19 10.20am

I think I once respected Gina Miller. Lasted for a few days.

She’d be doing this if it was just to look great at remainer dinner parties.

 


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Teddy Eagle Flag 18 Sep 19 10.24am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

They weren't! What's your point?

No-one denies that natural variation occurs. We cannot, currently at least, control that so just have to understand and prepare for it.

Man made warming exists separately. We can both understand and prepare for it AND moderate it's impact when it can be seen to be as negative as it is.

According to the US Government Accounting Office between 2003 & 2010 the US spent 106.7 bn dollars on research and tax breaks for Green initiatives. Multiply that by the rest of the world and it adds up to a massive scam. Your unimpeachable friend’s opinion notwithstanding.

 

Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 18 Sep 19 10.24am

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Gina Miller funded by George Soros. And we had people on here, mainly DanH I think, criticising brexiters and friends of Johnson shorting the U.K. economy. Ha ha ha. Gina Miller, just looking to uphold law. She’s more remain than Steeleye.

Edited by Rudi Hedman (18 Sep 2019 9.31am)

So here is another who has swallowed the Soros bogeyman bs hook line and sinker. Where is the evidence?

From all I know Mrs Miller has been crowdfunded to bring her cases. She ought not to have been. This is a matter of such huge constitutional importance that a legal challenge ought to be possible via Parliament and publicly funded.

Whether one of Soros's independently run foundations contributed to Mrs Miller's crowdfund is unknown to me but I would not be totally surprised if they did. After all preserving the rule of law and protecting democracy is one of their aims. If they did it would have been relatively small and probably just a token to indicate their moral support. That so many are willing to help just proves that there are a large number of people who are concerned enough about the current trends, the erosion of our democracy and threat to the constitution that are willing to put their hands in their pockets to help.

Mrs Miller makes no secret of the fact that, along with millions of others she would prefer we remained inside the EU. That though has not ever been the reason for her court actions. Brexit itself won't be affected by them in one way or the other. This is all much more important than Brexit itself. It is about who governs the UK, Parliament or the executive.

To say I support her would be an understatement. I think she is a genuine heroine who will eventually been seen as a shining example of public spirited behaviour for future generations.

That the hard right see people like her, Hammond, Soubry, Clarke and Bercow, as despicable upstarts trying to thwart them, only gives credence to my belief.

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 18 Sep 19 10.34am

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

According to the US Government Accounting Office between 2003 & 2010 the US spent 106.7 bn dollars on research and tax breaks for Green initiatives. Multiply that by the rest of the world and it adds up to a massive scam. Your unimpeachable friend’s opinion notwithstanding.

Why on earth is it a "scam"?

If, as many believe, it is the biggest crisis mankind has ever faced which could result in a massive loss of life through disease, hunger or war, then spending whatever is required to avert it is a duty and no scam.

My friend didn't have an opinion on this. She knows the truth. That there are a range of possible outcomes is certainly true but they are narrowing them down all the time. That's what they do, alongside studying the natural trends and where they are leading. Natural cycles are lengthy and not always obvious until they are well established but they now have many ways of studying and forecasting this too.

This is complex interlinked science but it is real and the world would be beyond foolish not to react.

 


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Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 18 Sep 19 10.38am

My point was how it’s laughable that remainers moan about people about to get rich off Brexit when we have Soros funding this case who made a fortune selling sterling 28 years ago.

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 18 Sep 19 10.52am

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

My point was how it’s laughable that remainers moan about people about to get rich off Brexit when we have Soros funding this case who made a fortune selling sterling 28 years ago.

That Soros sold the £ down the river and made a fortune is a matter of record.

That he is funding this case, or doing any of the other things he is accused of, isn't. It's just a conspiracy theory.

I don't defend the first but unless and until the second is proven, which from everything I have seen is extremely unlikely, I don't condemn the second.

Whatever you think of the way he made his money it seems to me that the motivation of George Soros to protect and nurture our democracies and protect them from populist insurgencies is entirely to his credit.

 


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.TUX. Flag 18 Sep 19 11.02am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

That Soros sold the £ down the river and made a fortune is a matter of record.

That he is funding this case, or doing any of the other things he is accused of, isn't. It's just a conspiracy theory.

I don't defend the first but unless and until the second is proven, which from everything I have seen is extremely unlikely, I don't condemn the second.

Whatever you think of the way he made his money it seems to me that the motivation of George Soros to protect and nurture our democracies and protect them from populist insurgencies is entirely to his credit.

Is it any wonder that he wishes to ''protect'' these democracies (pfft) that have made him an extremely wealthy man for decades now, the very same ''democracies'' that have robbed the public for the past 40yrs or so.

As usual you have it arse-about-face.

 


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Midlands Eagle Flag 18 Sep 19 11.05am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

the motivation of George Soros to protect and nurture our democracies and protect them from populist insurgencies is entirely to his credit.

Have you managed to make one single post here without craftily rubbishing anyone that has an opposing view to yourself ie almost everyone else here

 

Teddy Eagle Flag 18 Sep 19 11.11am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Why on earth is it a "scam"?

If, as many believe, it is the biggest crisis mankind has ever faced which could result in a massive loss of life through disease, hunger or war, then spending whatever is required to avert it is a duty and no scam.

My friend didn't have an opinion on this. She knows the truth. That there are a range of possible outcomes is certainly true but they are narrowing them down all the time. That's what they do, alongside studying the natural trends and where they are leading. Natural cycles are lengthy and not always obvious until they are well established but they now have many ways of studying and forecasting this too.

This is complex interlinked science but it is real and the world would be beyond foolish not to react.

It’s a scam because many people are making millions out of it. React away but it doesn’t change the fact that Mars is warming more quickly than Earth with no help from plastic bags or Diesel engines.

 

Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 18 Sep 19 11.12am

Originally posted by .TUX.

Is it any wonder that he wishes to ''protect'' these democracies (pfft) that have made him an extremely wealthy man for decades now, the very same ''democracies'' that have robbed the public for the past 40yrs or so.

As usual you have it arse-about-face.

Why would he be bothered?

If all he was interested in was money surely he would just enjoy it.

From all he has said and done, especially in his native Hungary, he seems motivated by a genuine desire to help people.

If you think democracy has "robbed" us I suggest you go and live somewhere where they don't have one. I suspect you would quickly change your mind.

 


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Teddy Eagle Flag 18 Sep 19 11.16am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

That Soros sold the £ down the river and made a fortune is a matter of record.

That he is funding this case, or doing any of the other things he is accused of, isn't. It's just a conspiracy theory.

I don't defend the first but unless and until the second is proven, which from everything I have seen is extremely unlikely, I don't condemn the second.

Whatever you think of the way he made his money it seems to me that the motivation of George Soros to protect and nurture our democracies and protect them from populist insurgencies is entirely to his credit.

Gina Miller said Soros has contributed £400,000 to her cause.

 

Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 18 Sep 19 11.17am

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

Have you managed to make one single post here without craftily rubbishing anyone that has an opposing view to yourself ie almost everyone else here

Of course. Every single one of them.

That most hold views that seem rubbish to you after being examined by me isn't my fault. All I ever do is make comments which express the truth as I see it.

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 18 Sep 19 11.20am

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

Gina Miller said Soros has contributed £400,000 to her cause.

Reference please.

I don't disbelieve you, although it would not have been Soros himself but one of the foundations he funds. He deliberately keeps himself at arms length from their decision making.

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 18 Sep 19 11.26am

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

It’s a scam because many people are making millions out of it. React away but it doesn’t change the fact that Mars is warming more quickly than Earth with no help from plastic bags or Diesel engines.

Applying capitalist principles to solve problems is the entirely correct way to achieve success. Some people will get rich on the back of finding solutions. Would you rather we did not allow the profit motive to work?

Who knows why Mars might be warming quicker. It's a totally different scenario and completely irrelevant. My greenhouse warms quicker than my lounge in summer but I don't draw any conclusions about when I turn on and off the heating as a consequence.

 


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.TUX. Flag 18 Sep 19 11.29am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Why would he be bothered?

If all he was interested in was money surely he would just enjoy it.

From all he has said and done, especially in his native Hungary, he seems motivated by a genuine desire to help people.

If you think democracy has "robbed" us I suggest you go and live somewhere where they don't have one. I suspect you would quickly change your mind.

Try digesting and not suggesting for once.

 


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chris123 Flag hove actually 18 Sep 19 11.30am

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

Gina Miller said Soros has contributed £400,000 to her cause.

I thought that donation was to a lobby group that Gina Miller is no longer associated.

 

Teddy Eagle Flag 18 Sep 19 11.32am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Reference please.

I don't disbelieve you, although it would not have been Soros himself but one of the foundations he funds. He deliberately keeps himself at arms length from their decision making.

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Matov Flag 18 Sep 19 11.38am

Originally posted by steeleye20

I can't see Johnson being defeated here but it is unjust.


On the face of it then it appears a straight forward case because the executive are entitled to do this and in light of how long it has been since a Queens speech, you could argue that it is long over-due.

And for me the most pertinent question asked yesterday was if MP's were so outraged by what the PM did, why the lack of a vote of confidence? The HoC has a valid mechanism in place, and given the current mathematic a good chance of it working.

What makes me smile about any and every Remainer claim about their desire to uphold the democratic process is that they could bring down this Government tomorrow. They have a PM offering them a GE to settle this Brexit issue and yet they refuse. That is the genuine scandal in all of this.

They accuse the PM of abusing Parliamentary procedure and to an extent they are right. But this only came about on the back of the likes of Bercow trampling all over the conventions they proclaim to love so much and Judges already overstepping the mark as well. And then, after constantly claiming how desperate they are for a GE, bottle it.

Make no bones about it, this truly is a battle for the UK's future. What is happening at the moment will be discussed in a 100 years time plus, taught as a turning point in the UK's future.

The Remain establishment do not care about your vote. They genuinely want people to become disillusioned with the entire process because then they think they get their way. They have no desire to put their views to the public in anything else other than a rigged electoral process and they have, on the evidence so far on offer, zero intention of ever allowing us to vote in a meaningful way again on this Brexit question.

Effectively Remainers are holding the country to hostage. Trying to tie up in knots the mandate given on June 23rd for our country to leave the EU.

Loathe them for that. Hate them. Because we are rapidly approaching the point of no return. Even if they get their way and by this time next year we are still not only in the EU but with A50 revoked then the struggle continues. It never, ever goes away.

And what puzzles me this the most. That they actually want this mayhem to continue because surely they cannot imagine it goes away because they manage to over-throw the 17 million plus who voted 'Leave'. That somehow they think that we will all just slink away, nurse our wounds and never try to rock the boat again?

This combination of Remainer arrogance and rank stupidity is breath-taking. Absolutely stunning. Because this inability to accept that 52 beats 48 in % terms, and that this is a democratic mandate that cannot be brushed aside, is beyond moronic. Remain is no longer a valid position to hold but merely a manifestation of a mental illness.

Ego writ large in a manner that holds the potential to destroy this country. And they don't get that.

We have a Government that wants us to leave the EU on the back of the vote on June 23rd 2016. It has offered a Parliament a chance to put that stance to the ultimate test with a General Election. And Parliament is declining that in favour of a legal processs that people increasingly have no faith in.

That Remainers would rather trust a panel of judges, drawn from the narrowest of social classes, than the British people. Says it all.

 


"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

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