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chris123 Flag hove actually 18 Sep 19 11.42am

Originally posted by Matov


On the face of it then it appears a straight forward case because the executive are entitled to do this and in light of how long it has been since a Queens speech, you could argue that it is long over-due.

And for me the most pertinent question asked yesterday was if MP's were so outraged by what the PM did, why the lack of a vote of confidence? The HoC has a valid mechanism in place, and given the current mathematic a good chance of it working.

What makes me smile about any and every Remainer claim about their desire to uphold the democratic process is that they could bring down this Government tomorrow. They have a PM offering them a GE to settle this Brexit issue and yet they refuse. That is the genuine scandal in all of this.

They accuse the PM of abusing Parliamentary procedure and to an extent they are right. But this only came about on the back of the likes of Bercow trampling all over the conventions they proclaim to love so much and Judges already overstepping the mark as well. And then, after constantly claiming how desperate they are for a GE, bottle it.

Make no bones about it, this truly is a battle for the UK's future. What is happening at the moment will be discussed in a 100 years time plus, taught as a turning point in the UK's future.

The Remain establishment do not care about your vote. They genuinely want people to become disillusioned with the entire process because then they think they get their way. They have no desire to put their views to the public in anything else other than a rigged electoral process and they have, on the evidence so far on offer, zero intention of ever allowing us to vote in a meaningful way again on this Brexit question.

Effectively Remainers are holding the country to hostage. Trying to tie up in knots the mandate given on June 23rd for our country to leave the EU.

Loathe them for that. Hate them. Because we are rapidly approaching the point of no return. Even if they get their way and by this time next year we are still not only in the EU but with A50 revoked then the struggle continues. It never, ever goes away.

And what puzzles me this the most. That they actually want this mayhem to continue because surely they cannot imagine it goes away because they manage to over-throw the 17 million plus who voted 'Leave'. That somehow they think that we will all just slink away, nurse our wounds and never try to rock the boat again?

This combination of Remainer arrogance and rank stupidity is breath-taking. Absolutely stunning. Because this inability to accept that 52 beats 48 in % terms, and that this is a democratic mandate that cannot be brushed aside, is beyond moronic. Remain is no longer a valid position to hold but merely a manifestation of a mental illness.

Ego writ large in a manner that holds the potential to destroy this country. And they don't get that.

We have a Government that wants us to leave the EU on the back of the vote on June 23rd 2016. It has offered a Parliament a chance to put that stance to the ultimate test with a General Election. And Parliament is declining that in favour of a legal processs that people increasingly have no faith in.

That Remainers would rather trust a panel of judges, drawn from the narrowest of social classes, than the British people. Says it all.

You can watch it on supreme court tv.

 

Spiderman Flag Horsham 18 Sep 19 11.46am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Anyone who has followed the Trump story as closely as I have in recent years and is able to understand that bluster, bs and lies don't add up to truth will know that the smoke that surrounds him has a source.

Blame shifting and diversion has been Trump's modus operandi ever since he learned it from Roy Cohn. He is doing so now by trying to accuse his accusers of a "deep state" conspiracy. It's what he does.

That smoke comes from Russia just as sure as the sun will rise tomorrow. As time alone will tell. Until then we must all just be patient, allow the US to carry on with their damage limitation efforts to rein him in and restrict his ability to cause havoc.

It's taking longer than many hoped but this story has many chapters to be written yet. Just because Trump wants to close the book doesn't mean he can. The US system is bigger than any President and the law will eventually overcome every effort to thwart it.

As our local wanna be Trumpian clone will also no doubt discover.

I really think your obvious talents are wasted posting on this site

 

Teddy Eagle Flag 18 Sep 19 11.47am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Applying capitalist principles to solve problems is the entirely correct way to achieve success. Some people will get rich on the back of finding solutions. Would you rather we did not allow the profit motive to work?

Who knows why Mars might be warming quicker. It's a totally different scenario and completely irrelevant. My greenhouse warms quicker than my lounge in summer but I don't draw any conclusions about when I turn on and off the heating as a consequence.

NASA have said Mars is warming due to changes in its orbit and significant tilt. Earth goes through similar phases.
I would assume your greenhouse warms quicker due to the thermodynamic qualities of glass. It’s not that much of a mystery.

 

Spiderman Flag Horsham 18 Sep 19 11.47am

Originally posted by mezzer

Not biased at all then. She worked in a unit that depended upon finding evidence otherwise there would be no need for them and their funding would dry up

You and your conspiracy theories..tut tut

 

Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 18 Sep 19 11.52am

Originally posted by .TUX.

Try digesting and not suggesting for once.

When what is offered has about as much substance as a stick of celery it really doesn't take long to digest it does it?

 


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Spiderman Flag Horsham 18 Sep 19 11.54am

Originally posted by steeleye20

I can't see Johnson being defeated here but it is unjust.

They are judging by the law, all written down, not our bonkers unwritten constitution.

It seems that 'what did we do last time' seems to be the constitution, but who knows.

Presumably a PM can just suspend a parliament whenever he feels like it.

Imagine how much all this circus is costing, no such justice would be available to you or I, you have to be stinking rich like the government with taxpayer funding, or Soros.

Funny how John Major is playing a large part in this case. The same John Major that suspended Parliament in 1997, for a longer period (allegedly to avoid a scandal involving Tory MPs and bribes). If this is not blatant hypocrisy I do not know what is, although I am sure some on here will lecture me otherwise

 

Spiderman Flag Horsham 18 Sep 19 11.56am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

That Soros sold the £ down the river and made a fortune is a matter of record.

That he is funding this case, or doing any of the other things he is accused of, isn't. It's just a conspiracy theory.

I don't defend the first but unless and until the second is proven, which from everything I have seen is extremely unlikely, I don't condemn the second.

Whatever you think of the way he made his money it seems to me that the motivation of George Soros to protect and nurture our democracies and protect them from populist insurgencies is entirely to his credit.

I don't suppose you can provide any links could you please?

 

Spiderman Flag Horsham 18 Sep 19 11.58am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Why would he be bothered?

If all he was interested in was money surely he would just enjoy it.

From all he has said and done, especially in his native Hungary, he seems motivated by a genuine desire to help people.

If you think democracy has "robbed" us I suggest you go and live somewhere where they don't have one. I suspect you would quickly change your mind.

We are

 

Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 18 Sep 19 12.00pm

As I said that was from one of the foundations he has funded which act independently. It was also not to fund this action, but to help the "Best for Britain" campaign group. Mrs Miller was one of it's founder members but left in 2017 feeling it was becoming more anti-Tory than anti-Brexit.

So I believe you are wrong.

 


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Spiderman Flag Horsham 18 Sep 19 12.01pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

When what is offered has about as much substance as a stick of celery it really doesn't take long to digest it does it?

Think this has just proved ME's point

 

Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 18 Sep 19 12.04pm

Originally posted by Spiderman

I don't suppose you can provide any links could you please?


I already have but here it is again:-

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Not that anyone who is a cynic about the BBC will take it seriously of course.

 


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Teddy Eagle Flag 18 Sep 19 12.09pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

As I said that was from one of the foundations he has funded which act independently. It was also not to fund this action, but to help the "Best for Britain" campaign group. Mrs Miller was one of it's founder members but left in 2017 feeling it was becoming more anti-Tory than anti-Brexit.

So I believe you are wrong.

My heart soars like a hawk. Believe away.

 

W12 18 Sep 19 12.09pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

That Soros sold the £ down the river and made a fortune is a matter of record.

That he is funding this case, or doing any of the other things he is accused of, isn't. It's just a conspiracy theory.

I don't defend the first but unless and until the second is proven, which from everything I have seen is extremely unlikely, I don't condemn the second.

Whatever you think of the way he made his money it seems to me that the motivation of George Soros to protect and nurture our democracies and protect them from populist insurgencies is entirely to his credit.


How would his policy of open borders achieve that precisely?

 

Spiderman Flag Horsham 18 Sep 19 12.13pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

As I said that was from one of the foundations he has funded which act independently. It was also not to fund this action, but to help the "Best for Britain" campaign group. Mrs Miller was one of it's founder members but left in 2017 feeling it was becoming more anti-Tory than anti-Brexit.

So I believe you are wrong.

-.-' -.-'

 

Spiderman Flag Horsham 18 Sep 19 12.14pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle


I already have but here it is again:-

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Not that anyone who is a cynic about the BBC will take it seriously of course.

For once I agree, the BBC that bastion of neutrality

 

Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 18 Sep 19 12.17pm

Originally posted by Spiderman

Think this has just proved ME's point

Really?

You don't think it is just true?

It is very rare for anyone here to ever pause for a moment and say that anything I have said has made them reconsider their position. All that ever comes back are entrenched positions defended with self righteous indignation.

It's not that I don't understand the arguments being put. They have been thrust down my throat so often I have had much more than my fill of them.

It's simply that I believe them to be fundamentally flawed because they are almost all based upon a misunderstanding of how our democratic system actually works.

I am far from alone in what I believe to be true. Many, indeed most at the moment, MPs agree with me as do a large number of our fellow citizens.

The difference is that this forum, for some weird reason, has a much higher number from the group I believe to be wrong in it's membership.

Why would be a very interesting thing to find out. It just isn't normal. Is it the way it was originally set up that attracted such people? Is it that football supporters who use forums tend to come from that section of society? I really don't know.

Finding right leaning or left leaning forums on the internet isn't difficult and in them you would expect to encounter biased opinions. But why here? This ought to be more balanced. It isn't just slightly to the right of centre, it's way to the right. Why?

Edited by Wisbech Eagle (18 Sep 2019 12.22pm)

 


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Spiderman Flag Horsham 18 Sep 19 12.18pm

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If anyone has any loose change

 

Teddy Eagle Flag 18 Sep 19 12.21pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Really?

You don't think it is just true?

It is very rare for anyone here to ever pause for a moment and say that anything I have said has made them reconsider their position. All that ever comes back are entrenched positions defended with self righteous indignation.

It's not that I don't understand the arguments being put. They have been thrust down my throat so often I have had much more than my fill of them.

It's simply that I believe them to be fundamentally flawed because they are almost all based upon a misunderstanding of how our democratic system actually works.

I am far from alone in what I believe to be true. Many, indeed most at the moment, MPs agree with me as do a large number of our fellow citizens.

The difference is that this forum, for some weird reason, has a much higher number from the group I believe to be wrong in it's membership.

Why would be a very interesting thing to find out. It just isn't normal. Is it the way it was originally set up that attracted such people? Is it that football supporters who use forums tend to come from that section of society? I really don't know

Or maybe you’re wrong.

 

Spiderman Flag Horsham 18 Sep 19 12.21pm

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Interesting or fake news?

 

susmik Flag PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 18 Sep 19 12.30pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Reference please.

I don't disbelieve you, although it would not have been Soros himself but one of the foundations he funds. He deliberately keeps himself at arms length from their decision making.

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