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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 20 Sep 19 9.12am
Originally posted by Teddy Eagle To be fair only 389 of them got caught up in the expenses scandal. So, yes, most of them. Whilst I am not suggesting that those who hold public office like an MP ought not be expected to be transparent with their expenses claims and whiter than white I do think we need to get this into perspective. Like many people when I ran businesses I employed accountants to prepare and present my tax returns. I was once subjected to a HMRC enquiry which lasted months and turned up a number of mistakes in what was allowable and what wasn't. Does this make me a "crook" and unfit to run a business? The culture surrounding claiming expenses has changed for the better. I well remember a journalist friend of mine who used to keep all the receipts from any activities we did together, including some pretty expensive meals, so he could submit them as part of his claims. He told me then that this was common practice in his industry and it was expected that people like him would earn double their stated salary that way so they could avoid paying the highest rate of tax and that this was encouraged by management. This was though 50 years ago and I am quite sure it won't be the same today. If it was with the level of public scrutiny they would soon be exposed. So I suspect that many of the MPs who got caught up in the expenses "scandal" were victims of a past culture rather than inherently crooked. Life, expectations and standards move on. So I maintain my belief that most of our MPs are good people trying to do what they believe is best for us all. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 20 Sep 19 9.12am

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

To be fair only 389 of them got caught up in the expenses scandal. So, yes, most of them.

Whilst I am not suggesting that those who hold public office like an MP ought not be expected to be transparent with their expenses claims and whiter than white I do think we need to get this into perspective.

Like many people when I ran businesses I employed accountants to prepare and present my tax returns. I was once subjected to a HMRC enquiry which lasted months and turned up a number of mistakes in what was allowable and what wasn't. Does this make me a "crook" and unfit to run a business?

The culture surrounding claiming expenses has changed for the better. I well remember a journalist friend of mine who used to keep all the receipts from any activities we did together, including some pretty expensive meals, so he could submit them as part of his claims. He told me then that this was common practice in his industry and it was expected that people like him would earn double their stated salary that way so they could avoid paying the highest rate of tax and that this was encouraged by management. This was though 50 years ago and I am quite sure it won't be the same today. If it was with the level of public scrutiny they would soon be exposed.

So I suspect that many of the MPs who got caught up in the expenses "scandal" were victims of a past culture rather than inherently crooked. Life, expectations and standards move on. So I maintain my belief that most of our MPs are good people trying to do what they believe is best for us all.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 20 Sep 19 9.15am
Originally posted by Teddy Eagle Alf Garnett’s views were satirical as are some of the comments on here. The tradition of the wind-up is alive and well on the HOL. Some for sure, and all the more enjoyable for that, but satire always reflects real life. It just pokes fun at it so we can identify the hypocrisy. We had all encountered a real Alf Garnett somewhere and not been able to laugh at him at the time. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 20 Sep 19 9.15am

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

Alf Garnett’s views were satirical as are some of the comments on here. The tradition of the wind-up is alive and well on the HOL.

Some for sure, and all the more enjoyable for that, but satire always reflects real life. It just pokes fun at it so we can identify the hypocrisy.

We had all encountered a real Alf Garnett somewhere and not been able to laugh at him at the time.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Teddy Eagle 20 Sep 19 9.22am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Whilst I am not suggesting that those who hold public office like an MP ought not be expected to be transparent with their expenses claims and whiter than white I do think we need to get this into perspective. Like many people when I ran businesses I employed accountants to prepare and present my tax returns. I was once subjected to a HMRC enquiry which lasted months and turned up a number of mistakes in what was allowable and what wasn't. Does this make me a "crook" and unfit to run a business? The culture surrounding claiming expenses has changed for the better. I well remember a journalist friend of mine who used to keep all the receipts from any activities we did together, including some pretty expensive meals, so he could submit them as part of his claims. He told me then that this was common practice in his industry and it was expected that people like him would earn double their stated salary that way so they could avoid paying the highest rate of tax and that this was encouraged by management. This was though 50 years ago and I am quite sure it won't be the same today. If it was with the level of public scrutiny they would soon be exposed. So I suspect that many of the MPs who got caught up in the expenses "scandal" were victims of a past culture rather than inherently crooked. Life, expectations and standards move on. So I maintain my belief that most of our MPs are good people trying to do what they believe is best for us all. Indeed. I’ve seen people earning relative fortunes ask for receipts for cups of tea and newspapers and you have to think lots of restaurants couldn’t charge their ridiculous prices without expense account customers but the difference with MPs was the sheer bewilderment most expressed at being questioned.

Teddy Eagle

20 Sep 19 9.22am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Indeed. I’ve seen people earning relative fortunes ask for receipts for cups of tea and newspapers and you have to think lots of restaurants couldn’t charge their ridiculous prices without expense account customers but the difference with MPs was the sheer bewilderment most expressed at being questioned.

steeleye20 Croydon 20 Sep 19 10.21am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Essentially the EU has a choice, a deal with Johnson or a 'no deal' with Johnson.....where they will inevitably make some kind of deal later on anyway. Regardless of what the supreme court thinks about parliament these next few days are probably the pivotal moments. 'non'..........

steeleye20

Croydon 20 Sep 19 10.21am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Essentially the EU has a choice, a deal with Johnson or a 'no deal' with Johnson.....where they will inevitably make some kind of deal later on anyway.

Regardless of what the supreme court thinks about parliament these next few days are probably the pivotal moments.

'non'..........

susmik PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 20 Sep 19 11.10am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle I really cannot understand why your posts are allowed to remain here, but so long as you post untruths I will continue to refute them. I know it's tedious for others but the truth needs to be told. Mrs Miller did not receive any money from "Best for Britain" to fund her court cases, but that's not what you claimed anyway. You claimed Soros did it himself. "Best for Britain" received their donation from a Soros funded foundation, which is run under it's own management. Which is not what you claimed but is actually confirmed in the links you provided. See below. Not in the headline. Buried in the text. It was not from him personally. These are you own words:- "Gina MIller has been funded all the way through these court cases and still is. Soros did it first and now she has switched to begging for cash online to try and beat the government." "He has donated over 700k to 3 groups opposing Brexit...personally not through the foundations....400k to the group that Gina Miller belonged in to." [Link] Here you go again with your superior attitude and changing things to suit yourself and your way of thinking. I do really think that you need help from somebody as your present medication is doing nothing to settle you down. Why don't you go for a nice walk in the fresh air down in Cornwall and clear your misted brain....it MIGHT do you some good but I do not hold my breath on that one. You are really a tiresome individual aren't you? Supported Palace for over 69 years since the age of 7 and have seen all the ups and downs and will probably see many more ups and downs before I go up to the big football club in the sky.

susmik

PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 20 Sep 19 11.10am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I really cannot understand why your posts are allowed to remain here, but so long as you post untruths I will continue to refute them. I know it's tedious for others but the truth needs to be told.

Mrs Miller did not receive any money from "Best for Britain" to fund her court cases, but that's not what you claimed anyway. You claimed Soros did it himself.

"Best for Britain" received their donation from a Soros funded foundation, which is run under it's own management. Which is not what you claimed but is actually confirmed in the links you provided. See below. Not in the headline. Buried in the text. It was not from him personally.

These are you own words:-

"Gina MIller has been funded all the way through these court cases and still is. Soros did it first and now she has switched to begging for cash online to try and beat the government."

"He has donated over 700k to 3 groups opposing Brexit...personally not through the foundations....400k to the group that Gina Miller belonged in to."

[Link]

Here you go again with your superior attitude and changing things to suit yourself and your way of thinking. I do really think that you need help from somebody as your present medication is doing nothing to settle you down. Why don't you go for a nice walk in the fresh air down in Cornwall and clear your misted brain....it MIGHT do you some good but I do not hold my breath on that one. You are really a tiresome individual aren't you?

Supported Palace for over 69 years since the age of 7 and have seen all the ups and downs and will probably see many more ups and downs before I go up to the big football club in the sky.

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 20 Sep 19 11.24am
Originally posted by susmik Here you go again with your superior attitude and changing things to suit yourself and your way of thinking. I do really think that you need help from somebody as your present medication is doing nothing to settle you down. Why don't you go for a nice walk in the fresh air down in Cornwall and clear your misted brain....it MIGHT do you some good but I do not hold my breath on that one. You are really a tiresome individual aren't you? Thanks for the advice but there's no need. I walk my lovely dog every day for at least an hour in our beautiful countryside and along the coasts. Now perhaps you might stop the personal insults and actually address the points made. Repeatedly avoiding answering by trying to divert attention onto your critic fools no-one. It just annoys people. You have made false claims, aka told lies. Just man up and admit you were wrong. It's not really hard and it's not a matter of opinion either when we are dealing with facts on the public record. They were all your own words I quoted. Now where's the lead? Edited by Wisbech Eagle (20 Sep 2019 11.27am) For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 20 Sep 19 11.24am

Originally posted by susmik

Thanks for the advice but there's no need. I walk my lovely dog every day for at least an hour in our beautiful countryside and along the coasts.

Now perhaps you might stop the personal insults and actually address the points made. Repeatedly avoiding answering by trying to divert attention onto your critic fools no-one. It just annoys people.

You have made false claims, aka told lies. Just man up and admit you were wrong. It's not really hard and it's not a matter of opinion either when we are dealing with facts on the public record. They were all your own words I quoted.

Now where's the lead?

Edited by Wisbech Eagle (20 Sep 2019 11.27am)

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Rudi Hedman Caterham 20 Sep 19 1.16pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Thanks for the advice but there's no need. I walk my lovely dog every day for at least an hour in our beautiful countryside and along the coasts. Now perhaps you might stop the personal insults and actually address the points made. Repeatedly avoiding answering by trying to divert attention onto your critic fools no-one. It just annoys people. You have made false claims, aka told lies. Just man up and admit you were wrong. It's not really hard and it's not a matter of opinion either when we are dealing with facts on the public record. They were all your own words I quoted. Now where's the lead? Edited by Wisbech Eagle (20 Sep 2019 11.27am) Your dog has decided to walk itself. COYP

Rudi Hedman

Caterham 20 Sep 19 1.16pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Thanks for the advice but there's no need. I walk my lovely dog every day for at least an hour in our beautiful countryside and along the coasts.

Now perhaps you might stop the personal insults and actually address the points made. Repeatedly avoiding answering by trying to divert attention onto your critic fools no-one. It just annoys people.

Now where's the lead?

Edited by Wisbech Eagle (20 Sep 2019 11.27am)

Your dog has decided to walk itself.

COYP

EverybodyDannsNow SE19 20 Sep 19 1.20pm
Originally posted by susmik Here you go again with your superior attitude and changing things to suit yourself and your way of thinking. I do really think that you need help from somebody as your present medication is doing nothing to settle you down. Why don't you go for a nice walk in the fresh air down in Cornwall and clear your misted brain....it MIGHT do you some good but I do not hold my breath on that one. You are really a tiresome individual aren't you? He’s got you on absolute strings to be fair.

EverybodyDannsNow

SE19 20 Sep 19 1.20pm

Originally posted by susmik

He’s got you on absolute strings to be fair.

Teddy Eagle 20 Sep 19 1.21pm
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman Your dog has decided to walk itself. Maybe it’s democratically decided no one has a mandate to walk it. Least of all anyone who feeds and pays for it.

Teddy Eagle

20 Sep 19 1.21pm

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Your dog has decided to walk itself.

Maybe it’s democratically decided no one has a mandate to walk it. Least of all anyone who feeds and pays for it.

sickboy Deal or Croydon 20 Sep 19 1.32pm
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman Your dog has decided to walk itself. And just keep on walking.

sickboy

Deal or Croydon 20 Sep 19 1.32pm

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Your dog has decided to walk itself.

And just keep on walking.

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 20 Sep 19 2.00pm
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman Your dog has decided to walk itself. It wouldn't be the first time as he can be a bit of an escape artist when he has a mind to be, but no, not this time. We're back now but will be out again later as it's a great day here and too good to miss. Edited by Wisbech Eagle (20 Sep 2019 2.23pm) For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 20 Sep 19 2.00pm

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Your dog has decided to walk itself.

It wouldn't be the first time as he can be a bit of an escape artist when he has a mind to be, but no, not this time. We're back now but will be out again later as it's a great day here and too good to miss.

Edited by Wisbech Eagle (20 Sep 2019 2.23pm)

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Stirlingsays 20 Sep 19 2.36pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 'non'.......... 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

20 Sep 19 2.36pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

'non'..........

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

susmik PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 20 Sep 19 3.04pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Thanks for the advice but there's no need. I walk my lovely dog every day for at least an hour in our beautiful countryside and along the coasts. Now perhaps you might stop the personal insults and actually address the points made. Repeatedly avoiding answering by trying to divert attention onto your critic fools no-one. It just annoys people. You have made false claims, aka told lies. Just man up and admit you were wrong. It's not really hard and it's not a matter of opinion either when we are dealing with facts on the public record. They were all your own words I quoted. Now where's the lead? Edited by Wisbech Eagle (20 Sep 2019 11.27am) You got that bit wrong sunshine it is YOU that annoy people with you self centred and I am always right attitude. As I have said before take your medication and start accepting that you cannot always be right. Supported Palace for over 69 years since the age of 7 and have seen all the ups and downs and will probably see many more ups and downs before I go up to the big football club in the sky.

susmik

PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 20 Sep 19 3.04pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Thanks for the advice but there's no need. I walk my lovely dog every day for at least an hour in our beautiful countryside and along the coasts.

Now perhaps you might stop the personal insults and actually address the points made. Repeatedly avoiding answering by trying to divert attention onto your critic fools no-one. It just annoys people.

Now where's the lead?

Edited by Wisbech Eagle (20 Sep 2019 11.27am)

You got that bit wrong sunshine it is YOU that annoy people with you self centred and I am always right attitude. As I have said before take your medication and start accepting that you cannot always be right.

Supported Palace for over 69 years since the age of 7 and have seen all the ups and downs and will probably see many more ups and downs before I go up to the big football club in the sky.

samprior Hamburg 20 Sep 19 3.10pm
Originally posted by susmik You got that bit wrong sunshine it is YOU that annoy people with you self centred and I am always right attitude. As I have said before take your medication and start accepting that you cannot always be right. Crikey boys. What's it gonna be next. ..my daddy's bigger than your daddy! School's finished. Stop the playground bickering and go home and enjoy the weekend.

samprior

Hamburg 20 Sep 19 3.10pm

Originally posted by susmik

Crikey boys. What's it gonna be next. ..my daddy's bigger than your daddy! School's finished. Stop the playground bickering and go home and enjoy the weekend.

Midlands Eagle 20 Sep 19 3.14pm
Originally posted by samprior Crikey boys. What's it gonna be next. ..my daddy's bigger than your daddy! School's finished. Stop the playground bickering and go home and enjoy the weekend. It's the battle of the septuagenarians

Midlands Eagle

20 Sep 19 3.14pm

Originally posted by samprior

Crikey boys. What's it gonna be next. ..my daddy's bigger than your daddy! School's finished. Stop the playground bickering and go home and enjoy the weekend.

It's the battle of the septuagenarians

steeleye20 Croydon 20 Sep 19 3.27pm
Originally posted by susmik You got that bit wrong sunshine it is YOU that annoy people with you self centred and I am always right attitude. As I have said before take your medication and start accepting that you cannot always be right. Michael, how long have you been David Cameron?

steeleye20

Croydon 20 Sep 19 3.27pm

Originally posted by susmik

Michael, how long have you been David Cameron?

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 20 Sep 19 3.53pm
Originally posted by samprior Crikey boys. What's it gonna be next. ..my daddy's bigger than your daddy! School's finished. Stop the playground bickering and go home and enjoy the weekend. I'm trying but this "contributor" keeps posting exactly the same lies and as no-one else is intervening to correct him it's being left to me. Feel free to take over. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 20 Sep 19 3.53pm

Originally posted by samprior

Crikey boys. What's it gonna be next. ..my daddy's bigger than your daddy! School's finished. Stop the playground bickering and go home and enjoy the weekend.

I'm trying but this "contributor" keeps posting exactly the same lies and as no-one else is intervening to correct him it's being left to me. Feel free to take over.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 20 Sep 19 3.55pm
Originally posted by Midlands Eagle It's the battle of the septuagenarians It's no battle! It's a walkover of truth v lies but the defeated refuses to lie down. This isn't 52 v 48 it's 100 v 0. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 20 Sep 19 3.55pm

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

It's the battle of the septuagenarians

It's no battle!

It's a walkover of truth v lies but the defeated refuses to lie down. This isn't 52 v 48 it's 100 v 0.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 20 Sep 19 3.59pm
Originally posted by susmik You got that bit wrong sunshine it is YOU that annoy people with you self centred and I am always right attitude. As I have said before take your medication and start accepting that you cannot always be right. Of course I am not always right! No-one is. I am though right sometimes and I am on this matter. Not just a little bit right. 100% factually right. However, as people are quite rightly really tired of your nonsense and my efforts to correct you, which have so obviously failed, I will leave it there and let you wallow alone in your self made mess if you really cannot stop. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 20 Sep 19 3.59pm

Originally posted by susmik

Of course I am not always right! No-one is.

I am though right sometimes and I am on this matter. Not just a little bit right. 100% factually right.

However, as people are quite rightly really tired of your nonsense and my efforts to correct you, which have so obviously failed, I will leave it there and let you wallow alone in your self made mess if you really cannot stop.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Badger11 Beckenham 20 Sep 19 4.06pm
Interesting article by BBC. Harriet Harman wants to be Speaker but her local party is not happy. [Link] I have no idea if she will get the votes but my sympathy is with her constituency voters. One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 20 Sep 19 4.06pm

Interesting article by BBC. Harriet Harman wants to be Speaker but her local party is not happy.

[Link]

I have no idea if she will get the votes but my sympathy is with her constituency voters.

One more point

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