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 cryrst  The garden of England 29 Jan 23 11.15am |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
I see you want real pictures of trans women. I understand there is quite a market. Have you got a collection then?
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ASCPFC  Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 29 Jan 23 11.54am |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
I see you want real pictures of trans women. I understand there is quite a market. They're on the cover of various Scottish newspapers every week. I doubt he'll have to look too far. There will be another one next week. Talk about not seeing an obvious loophole. May as well just move the fox into the henhouse.
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Mapletree  Croydon 29 Jan 23 2.09pm |
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Originally posted by ASCPFC
They're on the cover of various Scottish newspapers every week. I doubt he'll have to look too far. There will be another one next week. Talk about not seeing an obvious loophole. May as well just move the fox into the henhouse. Except that 'the fox' isn't in the henhouse. Mostly trans women are housed in male prisons, as stated above. If you are saying we need to block people born as men from going into female spaces, I would be interested in how you intend to do that and in what way you believe the Scottish Bill would affect it. I guess you just go up to anyone as they enter the space and prod them in the neck for their adam's apple. Or in your case, ask them if you can take a gander down their undies.
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| Pembroke Bristol 29 Jan 23 10.36pm |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
I see you . Didnt answer the questions. A normal response of an individual not knowing the answers, or not wanting to answer.
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| Mapletree Croydon 29 Jan 23 11.10pm |
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Originally posted by Pembroke
Didnt answer the questions. A normal response of an individual not knowing the answers, or not wanting to answer. So do you or don’t you want the photos. Cost me a fortune and my dignity to get them for you Over 50% of trans women aren’t sexual offenders. 51% of trans woman prisoners are. I don’t think such sex offenders should be in female prisons. But no, I can’t give you the data if any are. But then again, I am not in the prison service, presumably that information is known to the decision makers. Cases are managed by the LCB [local transgender case board] and/or CCB [transgender complex case board] who take prior offending and current genitalia into account, so I understand. But you can check on the photos. Edited by Mapletree (29 Jan 2023 11.17pm)
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| Pembroke Bristol 30 Jan 23 12.09am |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
So do you or don’t you want the photos. Cost me a fortune and my dignity to get them for you Over 50% of trans women aren’t sexual offenders. 51% of trans woman prisoners are. I don’t think such sex offenders should be in female prisons. But no, I can’t give you the data if any are. But then again, I am not in the prison service, presumably that information is known to the decision makers. Cases are managed by the LCB [local transgender case board] and/or CCB [transgender complex case board] who take prior offending and current genitalia into account, so I understand. But you can check on the photos. Edited by Mapletree (29 Jan 2023 11.17pm) Thanks for quoting what I stated. Can you explain why around one 2500 men are convicted sex offenders, but one in 585 trans women are sex offenders? There is a point here beyond prisons. Why should trans women be using female single sex spaces when they display a male offending pattern? Edited by Pembroke (30 Jan 2023 12.10am)
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| ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 30 Jan 23 12.13am |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
Except that 'the fox' isn't in the henhouse. Mostly trans women are housed in male prisons, as stated above. If you are saying we need to block people born as men from going into female spaces, I would be interested in how you intend to do that and in what way you believe the Scottish Bill would affect it. I guess you just go up to anyone as they enter the space and prod them in the neck for their adam's apple. Or in your case, ask them if you can take a gander down their undies. I didn't say any of the conclusions you came to. Yet they are the obvious ones. It's not my or yours lack of common sense in question - although you somehow want to bring my opinion into this ; basically because you're trying to make out you're in the right without making any kind of actual argument. Edited by ASCPFC (30 Jan 2023 12.14am)
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| Mapletree Croydon 30 Jan 23 9.19am |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Low quality elites supported and enabled by the usual middle class tiers of idealogs or 'go alongs to get alongs'. Ideologues. Tut I think you’ve ruined your brain banging it against granite And suffered too much from the cold due to not having a really good jacket. Want to buy some ‘artistic’ photos? Edited by Mapletree (30 Jan 2023 10.46am)
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| Mapletree Croydon 30 Jan 23 9.22am |
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Originally posted by Pembroke
Thanks for quoting what I stated. Can you explain why around one 2500 men are convicted sex offenders, but one in 585 trans women are sex offenders? There is a point here beyond prisons. Why should trans women be using female single sex spaces when they display a male offending pattern? Edited by Pembroke (30 Jan 2023 12.10am) I am a fan of women only spaces. If in some way you are saying that trans women are a kind of third sex, the question I raised earlier is how do you police such spaces to keep them out.
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Nicholas91  The Democratic Republic of Kent 30 Jan 23 10.27am |
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Originally posted by Slimey Toad
The photos of the trans offender show her as fluffy and pink, a stereotypical image of women. Why it is transitional men often aspire to be this kind of woman, when feminists have fought for decades to be treated as people, not sex objects. A famous trans woman (who I forget the name of) wrote that when she was wolf whistled walking past a building site her heart burst with joy and she knew she had finally become a woman. Typical man.
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| Mapletree Croydon 30 Jan 23 10.43am |
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Originally posted by Pembroke
Thanks for quoting what I stated. Can you explain why around one 2500 men are convicted sex offenders, but one in 585 trans women are sex offenders? There is a point here beyond prisons. Why should trans women be using female single sex spaces when they display a male offending pattern? Edited by Pembroke (30 Jan 2023 12.10am) I don't know from where you get your figures. You have to be careful with Trans as it depends upon people letting you know how they identify. For example, the Prison Inspectorate’s 2018–19 report found in prisoner surveys that 1% of prisoners in prisons designated for women, and 2% of prisoners in prisons designated for men say they are transgender… it would indicate that a much greater overall number of trans prisoners were being held in prison than is officially recorded (i.e. as many as 1600 prisoners rather than 125). This would mean that the proportion of trans people held for sexual offences would be much smaller and potentially as low as 4%, and not the over 50% you claim. I make no claims for accuracy of data but I do say the constant sniping at those with responsibility in this area, and the particularly harsh attacks by Fair Play for Women, concern me. Let's put this into perspective, in November 2020 there were 22 Trans women in women's prisons in England and Wales, so presumably maybe half could have been sex offenders, although maybe not as sex offenders probably are more likely to be put into male prisons. Could some of those 22 women be a danger to other women? Well maybe, but: Specific ‘Local Transgender Case Boards’ are held for every trans prisoner being accommodated according to their affirmed gender, regardless of their offence. These Boards consider offence type, past behaviour, risk behaviours, mental health, physical characteristics (including strength and genitalia), disability, medication and several other aspects of an individual’s history and situation as they relate to the potential for harm, both to and by the prisoner. The MOJ take this pretty seriously. Secondly, sex offenders in U.K. prisons are classed as a vulnerable group – because other prisoners tend to target them for violence. As a result, they are often placed in separate ‘Vulnerable Prisoner Units’ and this applies to men and women (trans or cis) who have committed sexual offences. The MoJ recommends separate accommodation for Trans women 'wherever possible'. Edited by Mapletree (30 Jan 2023 10.44am)
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 becky over the moon 30 Jan 23 6.10pm |
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Originally posted by Slimey Toad
The photos of the trans offender show her as fluffy and pink, a stereotypical image of women. Why it is transitional men often aspire to be this kind of woman, when feminists have fought for decades to be treated as people, not sex objects. A famous trans woman (who I forget the name of) wrote that when she was wolf whistled walking past a building site her heart burst with joy and she knew she had finally become a woman.
When they start this at 35+ years old, this is the result - they also have a tendency to become very fond of cute fluffy animal toys.
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 georgenorman 30 Jan 23 6.19pm |
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Originally posted by becky
Because when they start taking large doses of oestrogen to develop the more female characteristics, it is basically the equivalent of going through puberty. When they start this at 35+ years old, this is the result - they also have a tendency to become very fond of cute fluffy animal toys.
Rabbits?
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| Pembroke Bristol 31 Jan 23 11.24am |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
I don't know from where you get your figures. You have to be careful with Trans as it depends upon people letting you know how they identify. For example, the Prison Inspectorate’s 2018–19 report found in prisoner surveys that 1% of prisoners in prisons designated for women, and 2% of prisoners in prisons designated for men say they are transgender… it would indicate that a much greater overall number of trans prisoners were being held in prison than is officially recorded (i.e. as many as 1600 prisoners rather than 125). This would mean that the proportion of trans people held for sexual offences would be much smaller and potentially as low as 4%, and not the over 50% you claim. I make no claims for accuracy of data but I do say the constant sniping at those with responsibility in this area, and the particularly harsh attacks by Fair Play for Women, concern me. Let's put this into perspective, in November 2020 there were 22 Trans women in women's prisons in England and Wales, so presumably maybe half could have been sex offenders, although maybe not as sex offenders probably are more likely to be put into male prisons. Could some of those 22 women be a danger to other women? Well maybe, but: Specific ‘Local Transgender Case Boards’ are held for every trans prisoner being accommodated according to their affirmed gender, regardless of their offence. These Boards consider offence type, past behaviour, risk behaviours, mental health, physical characteristics (including strength and genitalia), disability, medication and several other aspects of an individual’s history and situation as they relate to the potential for harm, both to and by the prisoner. The MOJ take this pretty seriously. Secondly, sex offenders in U.K. prisons are classed as a vulnerable group – because other prisoners tend to target them for violence. As a result, they are often placed in separate ‘Vulnerable Prisoner Units’ and this applies to men and women (trans or cis) who have committed sexual offences. The MoJ recommends separate accommodation for Trans women 'wherever possible'. Edited by Mapletree (30 Jan 2023 10.44am) Recent census states there are x number of trans women cross reference with ministry of justice figures and we get a figure of 1 - 585. If we do the same with your second paragraph you will still see a elevated figure v women sexual offending. Can you explain why so many trans women are sexual offenders? Why should trans women be using female single sex spaces when they as a group display a male sexual offending pattern far in excess of females? Edited by Pembroke (31 Jan 2023 11.25am)
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Teddy Eagle  01 Feb 23 7.22pm |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
I don't know from where you get your figures. You have to be careful with Trans as it depends upon people letting you know how they identify. I make no claims for accuracy of data but I do say the constant sniping at those with responsibility in this area, and the particularly harsh attacks by Fair Play for Women, concern me. Let's put this into perspective, in November 2020 there were 22 Trans women in women's prisons in England and Wales, so presumably maybe half could have been sex offenders, although maybe not as sex offenders probably are more likely to be put into male prisons. Could some of those 22 women be a danger to other women? Well maybe, but: Specific ‘Local Transgender Case Boards’ are held for every trans prisoner being accommodated according to their affirmed gender, regardless of their offence. These Boards consider offence type, past behaviour, risk behaviours, mental health, physical characteristics (including strength and genitalia), disability, medication and several other aspects of an individual’s history and situation as they relate to the potential for harm, both to and by the prisoner. The MOJ take this pretty seriously. Secondly, sex offenders in U.K. prisons are classed as a vulnerable group – because other prisoners tend to target them for violence. As a result, they are often placed in separate ‘Vulnerable Prisoner Units’ and this applies to men and women (trans or cis) who have committed sexual offences. The MoJ recommends separate accommodation for Trans women 'wherever possible'. Edited by Mapletree (30 Jan 2023 10.44am) Why should anyone have to be careful? What are they going to do?
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| Nicholas91 The Democratic Republic of Kent 01 Feb 23 8.48pm |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Why should anyone have to be careful? What are they going to do? I’d be careful if I were you Teddy, some of the Trans women have real balls on them you know. That and you risk the wrath of the thought police in this Orwellian nightmare.
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| Teddy Eagle 01 Feb 23 8.56pm |
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Originally posted by Nicholas91
I’d be careful if I were you Teddy, some of the Trans women have real balls on them you know. That and you risk the wrath of the thought police in this Orwellian nightmare. They certainly do. I don't wish them, or anyone else, any harm, but how have the feelings of a vanishingly small number of people become so important? Why is anyone else supposed to care?
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| Nicholas91 The Democratic Republic of Kent 01 Feb 23 11.21pm |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
They certainly do. I don't wish them, or anyone else, any harm, but how have the feelings of a vanishingly small number of people become so important? Why is anyone else supposed to care? I’m going to use a numbered, step by step articulation to summarise my hypothesis as to why this is happening and attempt to avoid my usual rambling descent into nonsense and madness that even I become to bamboozled to proofread: 1. A genuine sentiment which should fall into the category of human decency, though unfortunately many do not possess this trait, is expressed - don’t be awful to any given group of people just because they’re different from you. In this case ‘trans’ individuals. Hear them out, show some understanding or willingness to consider if not just compassion and let’s see how we can all coexist together peacefully and prosperously. Live and let live, it’s a far better way of being and something humanity should strive towards. 2. Some bright spark goes ‘hmm… this is a door opening here, perhaps it can be exploited for my personal, financial and/or even possibly far more nefariously inspired gain?’ This is aligned to by those willing to blindly follow anything due to their own inability to think amongst others such as those perhaps just angry at the world and wanting to see it burn, change etc. 3. Now far removed from its original sentiment, the subject area is taken to town by those who’ve hijacked it to achieve whatever ends. Perhaps even those within said group amongst others get drawn in and misled by the ‘hijackers’ and the conflation with the original sentiment so are onboard too. 4. Anybody who dares to point out or object to this change of direction or extreme, altered movement is painted as an enemy to the original sentiment (albeit in very different form now) castrated, ostracised or worse by those still pushing the new narrative.” 5. Some do dare speak up, this qualifies as ‘news’ by media outlets and categorised as crime by the powers that be due to either them being ‘in’ on profiting from the runaway train or ideologically coerced into choosing a side of the fence, it’s not safe to oppose it now, it’s gone too far and gathered too much momentum. What started off as be nice, or actually just not vicious, to this group is now ‘bend to all their demands, actively promote them and pay to be bombarded with media/propaganda/promotion or risk consequences including potential prosecution for daring to not think and do as you’re told. I did it again, despite stating I wouldn’t, didn’t I? I’m any case goodnight and… good luck!
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