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Originally posted by Anerley-Fried-Eagle
i'm out. Why would anybody vote to keep the status quo???? Those who are going to vote remain can only do so via fear of the unknown, which is abit like believing that if ever green headed Aliens landed from outter space, they'd shoot to kill instead of shaking hands and giving us a bottle marked "cure for cure for cancer".
So if you have no fear, and you really believe that the EU is the big monster under the bed which is the cause of all our problems, then give it a punt. Of course the alien for 'cure for cancer' could mean 'die you f*****s' in their language Edited by SloveniaDave (23 Jun 2016 12.06am)
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Originally posted by SloveniaDave
So if you have no fear, and you really believe that the EU is the big monster under the bed which is the cause of all our problems, then give it a punt. Of course the alien for 'cure for cancer' could mean 'die you f*****s' in their language Edited by SloveniaDave (23 Jun 2016 12.06am) Would exchange profanities, or you could answer the first part of my post. Its no surprise you choose to dilate my second point.
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Originally posted by Anerley-Fried-Eagle
i'm out. Why would anybody vote to keep the status quo???? Those who are going to vote remain can only do so via fear of the unknown, which is abit like believing that if ever green headed Aliens landed from outter space, they'd shoot to kill instead of shaking hands and giving us a bottle marked "cure for cure for cancer". I am more than old enough to remember how we struggled to get into the EU, and what is was like before we succeeded. There is no "status quo"! Everything evolves and moves on. So will the EU and we need to shape it, rather than watch it from the sidelines. You have to be in it, to win it. "Project Fear" actually applies to the leavers. They are scared of a future which doesn't fit their perception of Britain. A perception which is long past it's use by date. Edited by Wisbech Eagle (23 Jun 2016 12.18am)
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I am more than old enough to remember how we struggled to get into the EU, and what is was like before we succeeded. There is no "status quo"! Everything evolves and moves on. So will the EU and we need to shape it, rather than watch it from the sidelines. You have to be in it, to win it. "Project Fear" actually applies to the leavers. They are scared of a future which doesn't fit their perception of Britain. A perception which is long past it's use by date. Edited by Wisbech Eagle (23 Jun 2016 12.18am) When we joined, it was just the Common Market - a trading bloc of nine countries. What it has become is emphatically not what we joined in 1973, nor voted to stay in two years later.
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Originally posted by Anerley-Fried-Eagle
Would exchange profanities, or you could answer the first part of my post. Its no surprise you choose to dilate my second point. sorry, I thought your first point was rhetorical. A vote for remain is not a vote for the status quo. There is no such thing as the status quo in the modern world. It is a vote for which path we should follow - the one with our allies and friends, where we can help each other, if needed, or the path into the unknown, on our own.
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Originally posted by SloveniaDave
sorry, I thought your first point was rhetorical. A vote for remain is not a vote for the status quo. There is no such thing as the status quo in the modern world. It is a vote for which path we should follow - the one with our allies and friends, where we can help each other, if needed, or the path into the unknown, on our own.
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Originally posted by Brentmiester_General
Commerce and general state of the country seems to healthy, in the middle of a strong development cycle in the building and construction sector. No point risking all that just to appease the Daily Mail readers. In Edited by Brentmiester_General (23 Jun 2016 3.00am) Edited by Brentmiester_General (23 Jun 2016 3.01am) Think for yourself man before trotting out generalisms. Do you think the EU is fit for purpose, is a democratic organisation, that the EU is free of corruption, that the EU stands up to independent scrutiny, that the EU can and will complete much needed reform, that the EU is in control of destiny, the EU is about bettering the life of the ordinary person and that the EU is making decisions in an open and fair manner? If the answer is yes to the above in your mind, then vote yes.
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I am more than old enough to remember how we struggled to get into the EU, and what is was like before we succeeded. There is no "status quo"! Everything evolves and moves on. So will the EU and we need to shape it, rather than watch it from the sidelines. You have to be in it, to win it. "Project Fear" actually applies to the leavers. They are scared of a future which doesn't fit their perception of Britain. A perception which is long past it's use by date. Edited by Wisbech Eagle (23 Jun 2016 12.18am) Jesus wept -.-'
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Indeed "Moves on" to a "United States of Europe". As for shaping it, some 50 - 60% of our laws and 70% of regulations are dictated to us by a EU that has a hunger and desire to impose increasingly statist regulations on 28 diverse nations. At the end of the day, the EU is institutionally incapable of reform.The EU is ruled by a secretive, unelected commission whose diktats are backed by a court able to override elected democracies. VOTE LEAVE
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Originally posted by Willo
Indeed "Moves on" to a "United States of Europe". As for shaping it, some 50 - 60% of our laws and 70% of regulations are dictated to us by a EU that has a hunger and desire to impose increasingly statist regulations on 28 diverse nations. At the end of the day, the EU is institutionally incapable of reform.The EU is ruled by a secretive, unelected commission whose diktats are backed by a court able to override elected democracies. VOTE LEAVE Bulls***
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Originally posted by Willo
Indeed "Moves on" to a "United States of Europe". As for shaping it, some 50 - 60% of our laws and 70% of regulations are dictated to us by a EU that has a hunger and desire to impose increasingly statist regulations on 28 diverse nations. At the end of the day, the EU is institutionally incapable of reform.The EU is ruled by a secretive, unelected commission whose diktats are backed by a court able to override elected democracies. VOTE LEAVE All about the impact, Willo. Only those laws/regulations which have a negative one need to be scrutinised further. A very small percentage i'll wager. I do kinda admire your rebellion against the PM and the majority of The Conservative Party though. Very Derek Hatton
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Originally posted by SloveniaDave
sorry, I thought your first point was rhetorical. A vote for remain is not a vote for the status quo. There is no such thing as the status quo in the modern world. It is a vote for which path we should follow - the one with our allies and friends, where we can help each other, if needed, or the path into the unknown, on our own. I don't accept this. I believe in the sovereignty of our great nation,it's monarchy,it's judicial system and constitution.I don't want to be ruled by faceless bureaucrats.I am very concerned about uncontrolled immigration and I believe in Britain, it's culture,freedom and history.We are NOT some "Tinpot" nation which will be cut-adrift if we vote to LEAVE. Our ancestors shed blood to uphold and defend this country's right to govern itself, raise taxes and pass it's own laws and to get rid of politicians when they betray our trust.We really do NOT want to belong to some dysfunctional institution that denies us these rights, an institution pursuing an insane policy of "Open Borders" which if not checked will lead to violence between factions across Europe, NOT forgetting the strain this places on affluent economies. It's the "Known" about the EU that I totally abhor.Makes my blood boil and sends my "Blood Pressure" through the darned roof. Anyway, I have to LEAVE it here ! Got a very busy day so no time to engage in any further debate. VOTE LEAVE Edited by Willo (23 Jun 2016 9.02am)
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Our flag is beautiful when projected. Thank you Europe
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Originally posted by Willo
I don't accept this. I believe in the sovereignty of our great nation,it's monarchy,it's judicial system and constitution.I don't want to be ruled by faceless bureaucrats.I am very concerned about uncontrolled immigration and I believe in Britain, it's culture,freedom and history.We are NOT some "Tinpot" nation which will be cut-adrift if we vote to LEAVE. Our ancestors shed blood to uphold and defend this country's right to govern itself, raise taxes and pass it's own laws and to get rid of politicians when they betray our trust.We really do NOT want to belong to some dysfunctional institution that denies us these rights, an institution pursuing an insane policy of "Open Borders" which if not checked will lead to violence between factions across Europe, NOT forgetting the strain this places on affluent economies. It's the "Known" about the EU that I totally abhor.Makes my blood boil and sends my "Blood Pressure" through the darned roof. Anyway, I have to LEAVE it here ! Got a very busy day so no time to engage in any further debate. VOTE LEAVE Edited by Willo (23 Jun 2016 9.02am) Were French, German, Scandinavian, I could go on
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Originally posted by Frickin Saweet
Well, I'v just voted 'IN', mainly because my other half is from Central Europe and we have family living across Europe and I wouldn't want to make it harder for them or us to see each other or up sticks and live in another EU country one day. If my relationship status was different I'd probably have voted the other way. Even if the result is 'OUT' I'll still be a bit excited by the prospect of the unknown over the next few years/decades. If I vote, it will probably be a vote in. I started off firmly in the remain camp but now I am just sick of the whole thing. I feel whichever I vote for I won't be particularly comfortable.
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At least they know the correct way to hang it. A lot of us 'British' have no idea. LEAVE
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