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DanH SW2 26 Sep 19 7.44am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Listening to them trying to censor Johnson, playing the Jo Cox card, playing the victim - sensitive to any criticism calling them out.....Yet they are free with the abuse aimed at him. Yes, all MPs are now that much in danger.....it isn't nice but that's how polarised this issue has become. Those who put themselves in that firing line have chosen to willingly....that's on both the leave and remain side. You can't go over the top and expect the opposition not to fire....the modern left are all about censorship and control of language. The exact opposite of the left I grew up with. Edited by Stirlingsays (26 Sep 2019 6.54am) This is a pretty scary post.

DanH

SW2 26 Sep 19 7.44am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Listening to them trying to censor Johnson, playing the Jo Cox card, playing the victim - sensitive to any criticism calling them out.....Yet they are free with the abuse aimed at him.

Yes, all MPs are now that much in danger.....it isn't nice but that's how polarised this issue has become.

Those who put themselves in that firing line have chosen to willingly....that's on both the leave and remain side.

You can't go over the top and expect the opposition not to fire....the modern left are all about censorship and control of language.

The exact opposite of the left I grew up with.

Edited by Stirlingsays (26 Sep 2019 6.54am)

This is a pretty scary post.

Midlands Eagle 26 Sep 19 7.56am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Listening to them trying to censor Johnson, playing the Jo Cox card, playing the victim - sensitive to any criticism calling them out.....Yet they are free with the abuse aimed at him. Jo Cox's husband was furious that someone was using her death to try and score political points and I can't say that I blame him

Midlands Eagle

26 Sep 19 7.56am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Listening to them trying to censor Johnson, playing the Jo Cox card, playing the victim - sensitive to any criticism calling them out.....Yet they are free with the abuse aimed at him.

Jo Cox's husband was furious that someone was using her death to try and score political points and I can't say that I blame him

Stirlingsays 26 Sep 19 7.57am
Originally posted by DanH This is a pretty scary post. If you have an issue, find a tissue. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

26 Sep 19 7.57am

Originally posted by DanH

This is a pretty scary post.

If you have an issue, find a tissue.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Midlands Eagle 26 Sep 19 8.04am
Originally posted by DanH This is a pretty scary post. It was a pretty scary afternoon and evening with one Labour MP so apoplectic with rage (real or pretence) that I thought he was going to explode. The media have made much of the rowdy behaviour and language used but I doubt whether many saw it unfolding as I don't think that either BBC News Channel or BBC Parliament Channel are that popular. The BBC website this morning leads with "Boris Johnson faces backlash over 'dangerous' language" and go on to write that he used words like "betrayal" and "surrender act" which most readers will probably find amusing as they are hardly examples of dangerous language

Midlands Eagle

26 Sep 19 8.04am

Originally posted by DanH

This is a pretty scary post.

It was a pretty scary afternoon and evening with one Labour MP so apoplectic with rage (real or pretence) that I thought he was going to explode.

The media have made much of the rowdy behaviour and language used but I doubt whether many saw it unfolding as I don't think that either BBC News Channel or BBC Parliament Channel are that popular.

The BBC website this morning leads with "Boris Johnson faces backlash over 'dangerous' language" and go on to write that he used words like "betrayal" and "surrender act" which most readers will probably find amusing as they are hardly examples of dangerous language

chris123 hove actually 26 Sep 19 8.19am
Originally posted by Midlands Eagle It was a pretty scary afternoon and evening with one Labour MP so apoplectic with rage (real or pretence) that I thought he was going to explode. The media have made much of the rowdy behaviour and language used but I doubt whether many saw it unfolding as I don't think that either BBC News Channel or BBC Parliament Channel are that popular. The BBC website this morning leads with "Boris Johnson faces backlash over 'dangerous' language" and go on to write that he used words like "betrayal" and "surrender act" which most readers will probably find amusing as they are hardly examples of dangerous language surely the speaker, and particularly this one, was happy as there was no major interventions that I could see.

chris123

hove actually 26 Sep 19 8.19am

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

It was a pretty scary afternoon and evening with one Labour MP so apoplectic with rage (real or pretence) that I thought he was going to explode.

The media have made much of the rowdy behaviour and language used but I doubt whether many saw it unfolding as I don't think that either BBC News Channel or BBC Parliament Channel are that popular.

surely the speaker, and particularly this one, was happy as there was no major interventions that I could see.

Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 26 Sep 19 8.37am
Originally posted by Midlands Eagle It was a pretty scary afternoon and evening with one Labour MP so apoplectic with rage (real or pretence) that I thought he was going to explode. The media have made much of the rowdy behaviour and language used but I doubt whether many saw it unfolding as I don't think that either BBC News Channel or BBC Parliament Channel are that popular. The BBC website this morning leads with "Boris Johnson faces backlash over 'dangerous' language" and go on to write that he used words like "betrayal" and "surrender act" which most readers will probably find amusing as they are hardly examples of dangerous language I suspect you are making reference to Barry Sheerman who was a-boil akin to burning milk,self-combusting,hissing scowling and glaring with steam coming out of his ears. Yes I am in total agreement that "Betrayal" and "Surrender" are hardly examples of dangerous language.

Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 26 Sep 19 8.37am

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

It was a pretty scary afternoon and evening with one Labour MP so apoplectic with rage (real or pretence) that I thought he was going to explode.

The media have made much of the rowdy behaviour and language used but I doubt whether many saw it unfolding as I don't think that either BBC News Channel or BBC Parliament Channel are that popular.

I suspect you are making reference to Barry Sheerman who was a-boil akin to burning milk,self-combusting,hissing scowling and glaring with steam coming out of his ears.

Yes I am in total agreement that "Betrayal" and "Surrender" are hardly examples of dangerous language.

Rudi Hedman Caterham 26 Sep 19 8.50am
Originally posted by Midlands Eagle Jo Cox's husband was furious that someone was using her death to try and score political points and I can't say that I blame him Yep. I hope he was aiming it at the remainer MP’s who brought her memory into the debate leaving Boris having to reply. Obviously not. If they didn’t want to receive the feelings of people who feel their vote didn’t count because they’re going to do whatever it takes to delay and cancel Brexit then they know what to do. Cue Wisbech in Truro telling me and us the job of an MP and Parliament in 7 paragraphs for the 7946th time. Boris should’ve replied without using her name and just say they need to allow an election and allow Brexit to take this country out of the stalemate they refuse to stop and get this country back together again. Edited by Rudi Hedman (26 Sep 2019 8.59am) COYP

Rudi Hedman

Caterham 26 Sep 19 8.50am

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

Jo Cox's husband was furious that someone was using her death to try and score political points and I can't say that I blame him

Yep. I hope he was aiming it at the remainer MP’s who brought her memory into the debate leaving Boris having to reply. Obviously not. If they didn’t want to receive the feelings of people who feel their vote didn’t count because they’re going to do whatever it takes to delay and cancel Brexit then they know what to do.

Cue Wisbech in Truro telling me and us the job of an MP and Parliament in 7 paragraphs for the 7946th time.

Boris should’ve replied without using her name and just say they need to allow an election and allow Brexit to take this country out of the stalemate they refuse to stop and get this country back together again.

Edited by Rudi Hedman (26 Sep 2019 8.59am)

COYP

Stirlingsays 26 Sep 19 8.57am
By bringing Jo Cox's name into the debate as a tactic to control language they heightened the level of sensitivity significantly and indeed brought the memory of that event straight to any nutcases out there wanting to hear it. And they have the cheek to complain about words such as 'betrayal' and 'surrender', words that are entirely appropriate for their actions. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

26 Sep 19 8.57am

By bringing Jo Cox's name into the debate as a tactic to control language they heightened the level of sensitivity significantly and indeed brought the memory of that event straight to any nutcases out there wanting to hear it.

And they have the cheek to complain about words such as 'betrayal' and 'surrender', words that are entirely appropriate for their actions.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Rudi Hedman Caterham 26 Sep 19 9.00am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays By bringing Jo Cox's name into the debate as a tactic to control language they heightened the level of sensitivity significantly and indeed brought the memory of that event straight to any nutcases out there wanting to hear it. And they have the cheek to complain about words such as 'betrayal' and 'surrender', words that are entirely appropriate for their actions. Yes I saw it as a tactic suddenly brought in by all of them on the same day. COYP

Rudi Hedman

Caterham 26 Sep 19 9.00am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

And they have the cheek to complain about words such as 'betrayal' and 'surrender', words that are entirely appropriate for their actions.

Yes I saw it as a tactic suddenly brought in by all of them on the same day.

COYP

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 26 Sep 19 9.02am
Originally posted by chris123 I would be interested to know something that is unlawful, but not illegal, and for which you could go to prison. Manslaughter! For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 26 Sep 19 9.02am

Originally posted by chris123

I would be interested to know something that is unlawful, but not illegal, and for which you could go to prison.

Manslaughter!

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Rudi Hedman Caterham 26 Sep 19 9.15am
These remainer MP’s are becoming more and more like primary age school girls raising their hands going ‘’Miss, Miss, he did this, he said that’’ after they haven’t got what they want or being treated special like at home. They want everything their way. Stop this, stop that, can’t do this or that, it’s all unfair, we claim this, he’s nasty, we’ve done no wrong, oh and we’re thinking of censoring the PM now as well. They aren’t fit for purpose. They’ve brought this on by trying and succeeding in delaying and trying to cancel leaving. They claim or think they’re so pure but get more and more desperate. COYP

Rudi Hedman

Caterham 26 Sep 19 9.15am

These remainer MP’s are becoming more and more like primary age school girls raising their hands going ‘’Miss, Miss, he did this, he said that’’ after they haven’t got what they want or being treated special like at home. They want everything their way. Stop this, stop that, can’t do this or that, it’s all unfair, we claim this, he’s nasty, we’ve done no wrong, oh and we’re thinking of censoring the PM now as well. They aren’t fit for purpose. They’ve brought this on by trying and succeeding in delaying and trying to cancel leaving. They claim or think they’re so pure but get more and more desperate.

COYP

DanH SW2 26 Sep 19 9.17am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays By bringing Jo Cox's name into the debate as a tactic to control language they heightened the level of sensitivity significantly and indeed brought the memory of that event straight to any nutcases out there wanting to hear it. And they have the cheek to complain about words such as 'betrayal' and 'surrender', words that are entirely appropriate for their actions. They really, really aren’t.

DanH

SW2 26 Sep 19 9.17am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

And they have the cheek to complain about words such as 'betrayal' and 'surrender', words that are entirely appropriate for their actions.

They really, really aren’t.

Stirlingsays 26 Sep 19 9.20am
Originally posted by DanH They really, really aren’t. With respect, considering the past noises you have made over censorship on this site, what you think on this particular issue carries little impact. Edited by Stirlingsays (26 Sep 2019 9.20am) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

26 Sep 19 9.20am

Originally posted by DanH

They really, really aren’t.

With respect, considering the past noises you have made over censorship on this site, what you think on this particular issue carries little impact.

Edited by Stirlingsays (26 Sep 2019 9.20am)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

chris123 hove actually 26 Sep 19 9.22am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Manslaughter! Didn't know that.

chris123

hove actually 26 Sep 19 9.22am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Manslaughter!

Didn't know that.

silvertop Portishead 26 Sep 19 9.26am
Originally posted by Matov Then Parliament should step up and take full responsibility. It has the right to ignore the result of June 23rd. That damages its credibility with absolute justification for our anger at it but at least it is taking the blame. But to then go back to us with another referendum makes no sense what so ever. Because if it refuses to implement the first, why on earth would a second one have the slightest shred of credibility? In fact, there should be no more referendums full stop. However there is the option of a GE. Let the partys declare their positions (and both Labour and the Lib-Dems have dramatically changed their stances) and put themselves to the scrutiny of the electorate in a manner that is binding in terms how the HoC is made up. I genuinely struggle to understand why anybody would object to that in these circumstances. We had a referendum on our future in the EU. Parliament has refused to implement it and parties representing a huge part of its members have changed their stance. Defend that at the ballot box. Let us see Parliamentary democracy in action. Let it regain some credibility. Surely that is the most positive option available. Bit late coming back but I disagree your point on the referendum. The 2016 vote was flawed as it did not say HOW to leave. Hard Brexit leaves no doubt. You just allow effluxion of the time extension. Remain you do nothing. A "deal" is the killer of resolution even if a good one (whatever that is?) may well be the best thing for this country.

silvertop

Portishead 26 Sep 19 9.26am

Originally posted by Matov

Then Parliament should step up and take full responsibility. It has the right to ignore the result of June 23rd. That damages its credibility with absolute justification for our anger at it but at least it is taking the blame.

But to then go back to us with another referendum makes no sense what so ever. Because if it refuses to implement the first, why on earth would a second one have the slightest shred of credibility? In fact, there should be no more referendums full stop.

However there is the option of a GE. Let the partys declare their positions (and both Labour and the Lib-Dems have dramatically changed their stances) and put themselves to the scrutiny of the electorate in a manner that is binding in terms how the HoC is made up.

I genuinely struggle to understand why anybody would object to that in these circumstances.

We had a referendum on our future in the EU. Parliament has refused to implement it and parties representing a huge part of its members have changed their stance. Defend that at the ballot box. Let us see Parliamentary democracy in action. Let it regain some credibility. Surely that is the most positive option available.

Bit late coming back but I disagree your point on the referendum. The 2016 vote was flawed as it did not say HOW to leave. Hard Brexit leaves no doubt. You just allow effluxion of the time extension. Remain you do nothing. A "deal" is the killer of resolution even if a good one (whatever that is?) may well be the best thing for this country.

silvertop Portishead 26 Sep 19 9.29am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Haven't I made this plain enough before? Having worked in institutions I know how it works. People stay within professions with similar like minded people...To stay long enough and promote high enough it mostly becomes self selecting as in the same people promote similar to them. Not all but elites are more often than not silver spooned neo liberals who came from the same type of background, went to the same types of schools and whose lifestyle has meant they have lost touch with their history and heritage. It was 11-0 and I would wager that they all voted remain.....As most elites did. Drifting into conspiracy nut stuff there Stirling. 2 words in terms of elites- Boris Johnson Edited by Stirlingsays (26 Sep 2019 6.10am)

silvertop

Portishead 26 Sep 19 9.29am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Haven't I made this plain enough before?

Having worked in institutions I know how it works. People stay within professions with similar like minded people...To stay long enough and promote high enough it mostly becomes self selecting as in the same people promote similar to them.

Not all but elites are more often than not silver spooned neo liberals who came from the same type of background, went to the same types of schools and whose lifestyle has meant they have lost touch with their history and heritage.

It was 11-0 and I would wager that they all voted remain.....As most elites did.

Drifting into conspiracy nut stuff there Stirling.

2 words in terms of elites- Boris Johnson

Edited by Stirlingsays (26 Sep 2019 6.10am)

SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 26 Sep 19 9.32am
2 words Joris Bohnson [Link] Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.

SW19 CPFC

Addiscombe West 26 Sep 19 9.32am

2 words

Joris Bohnson

[Link]

Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.

silvertop Portishead 26 Sep 19 9.37am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Listening to them trying to censor Johnson, playing the Jo Cox card, playing the victim - sensitive to any criticism calling them out.....Yet they are free with the abuse aimed at him. Yes, all MPs are now that much in danger.....it isn't nice but that's how polarised this issue has become. Those who put themselves in that firing line have chosen to willingly....that's on both the leave and remain side. You can't go over the top and expect the opposition not to fire....the modern left are all about censorship and control of language. The exact opposite of the left I grew up with. Edited by Stirlingsays (26 Sep 2019 6.54am) Yes I was uncomfortable with this attack and to it being headline news. However in following this tactic of peoples hero v establishment he takes one hell of a risk. Some nutter with a gun will justify his act by quoting him. Fatal body blow for Brexit I suspect.

silvertop

Portishead 26 Sep 19 9.37am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Listening to them trying to censor Johnson, playing the Jo Cox card, playing the victim - sensitive to any criticism calling them out.....Yet they are free with the abuse aimed at him.

Yes, all MPs are now that much in danger.....it isn't nice but that's how polarised this issue has become.

Those who put themselves in that firing line have chosen to willingly....that's on both the leave and remain side.

You can't go over the top and expect the opposition not to fire....the modern left are all about censorship and control of language.

The exact opposite of the left I grew up with.

Edited by Stirlingsays (26 Sep 2019 6.54am)

Yes I was uncomfortable with this attack and to it being headline news. However in following this tactic of peoples hero v establishment he takes one hell of a risk. Some nutter with a gun will justify his act by quoting him. Fatal body blow for Brexit I suspect.

silvertop Portishead 26 Sep 19 9.42am
Originally posted by SW19 CPFC 2 words Joris Bohnson [Link] There's inclusivity and there's exposing a challenged person to ridicule. Makes a change from the usual blue rinses or frothing elderly gammons who the telly usually stick a mike under as the voices of Brexit.

silvertop

Portishead 26 Sep 19 9.42am

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

2 words

Joris Bohnson

[Link]

There's inclusivity and there's exposing a challenged person to ridicule.

Makes a change from the usual blue rinses or frothing elderly gammons who the telly usually stick a mike under as the voices of Brexit.

Midlands Eagle 26 Sep 19 9.43am
Originally posted by Willo I suspect you are making reference to Barry Sheerman who was a-boil akin to burning milk,self-combusting,hissing scowling and glaring with steam coming out of his ears. Originally posted by Willo I suspect you are making reference to Barry Sheerman who was a-boil akin to burning milk,self-combusting,hissing scowling and glaring with steam coming out of his ears. That was him. Labour MP for "leave" voting Huddersfield. At 79 years old he should be more careful that he doesn't bring on a stroke or heart attack

Midlands Eagle

26 Sep 19 9.43am

Originally posted by Willo

I suspect you are making reference to Barry Sheerman who was a-boil akin to burning milk,self-combusting,hissing scowling and glaring with steam coming out of his ears.

Originally posted by Willo

I suspect you are making reference to Barry Sheerman who was a-boil akin to burning milk,self-combusting,hissing scowling and glaring with steam coming out of his ears.

That was him. Labour MP for "leave" voting Huddersfield.

At 79 years old he should be more careful that he doesn't bring on a stroke or heart attack

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