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Catfish  Burgess Hill 23 Jun 16 9.21am |
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Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch
If I vote, it will probably be a vote in. I started off firmly in the remain camp but now I am just sick of the whole thing. I feel whichever I vote for I won't be particularly comfortable. You and most other people I suspect. My head says remain, my heart says leave. Just because the leave lobby is populated by odious t***s doesnt mean that it is not the right thing to do. You can be repulsive and right in the same way that the remain lobby can be rational and wrong.
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 Part Time James 23 Jun 16 9.51am |
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Originally posted by Catfish
You and most other people I suspect. My head says remain, my heart says leave. Just because the leave lobby is populated by odious t***s doesnt mean that it is not the right thing to do. You can be repulsive and right in the same way that the remain lobby can be rational and wrong. This forum is no place for sensible talk!
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Kermit8  Hevon 23 Jun 16 9.52am |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
Not sure if the bookies are doing their own exit polls but remain is 2/9 now. I don't think they will win by that much to justify those odds. 52% stay and 48% leave prediction. Ok something is going on. 1/6 to Remain now for a few bookies and 4/1 to leave.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 23 Jun 16 9.52am |
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Originally posted by Willo
Indeed "Moves on" to a "United States of Europe". As for shaping it, some 50 - 60% of our laws and 70% of regulations are dictated to us by a EU that has a hunger and desire to impose increasingly statist regulations on 28 diverse nations. At the end of the day, the EU is institutionally incapable of reform.The EU is ruled by a secretive, unelected commission whose diktats are backed by a court able to override elected democracies. VOTE LEAVE Its statements like these that make me think twice about voting leave. You seem to forget that body includes the UK, who also vote. I think there are something like 50-60 EU laws that the UK didn't vote for, out of something like 2500. As for the Court, when I hear people talking about the ECHR like that, to me, it sounds like people who want to ensure that people only have rights when its convenient. Well done, you've convinced me not to vote for leave.
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| Part Time James 23 Jun 16 9.58am |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
If anyone apart from Hoof, danny, MonkeyDave and elgrande needs help pulling their pants up in just under 24 hrs, after what appears is going to be a major spanking, happy to oblige An odd place to advertise this kind of service, but bravo. I think people should be able to offer this sort of thing in public these days without being treated any differently.
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| Part Time James 23 Jun 16 10.01am |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Its statements like these that make me think twice about voting leave. You seem to forget that body includes the UK, who also vote. I think there are something like 50-60 EU laws that the UK didn't vote for, out of something like 2500. As for the Court, when I hear people talking about the ECHR like that, to me, it sounds like people who want to ensure that people only have rights when its convenient. Well done, you've convinced me not to vote for leave. Come on Jamie, I don't believe you were ever going to vote for Leave if a forum post from Willo on a Crystal Palace page has turned you around. Who are you Baroness Jamie Warsi?
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| npn Crowborough 23 Jun 16 10.02am |
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So Juncker has come out and said no changes, we've had all they can and will give us. So, Mr. Cameron, where's this "reformed EU" you keep banging on about?
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 23 Jun 16 10.12am |
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Originally posted by Part Time James
Come on Jamie, I don't believe you were ever going to vote for Leave if a forum post from Willo on a Crystal Palace page has turned you around. Who are you Baroness Jamie Warsi? I started out firmly in the leave camp. But the leave camp has increasingly concerned me with its playing to the fears of the mob, faux-nationalist nonsense and its outright deceit. Which is probably true of Remain, except I haven't really been paying attention to the people I wasn't going to vote for. But I could swing back, its been that kind of day.
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| elgrande bedford 23 Jun 16 10.15am |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
If anyone apart from Hoof, danny, MonkeyDave and elgrande needs help pulling their pants up in just under 24 hrs, after what appears is going to be a major spanking, happy to oblige If they vote to remain,it would have been a Democratic vote Kermit.I don't agree with staying but if the masses want it..,,,well,let's see how this works out in a couple of years.
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| Kermit8 Hevon 23 Jun 16 10.15am |
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Originally posted by Part Time James
An odd place to advertise this kind of service, but bravo. I think people should be able to offer this sort of thing in public these days without being treated any differently. *american drawl* 'Get in the queue'
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| Kermit8 Hevon 23 Jun 16 10.19am |
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Originally posted by elgrande
If they vote to remain,it would have been a Democratic vote Kermit.I don't agree with staying but if the masses want it..,,,well,let's see how this works out in a couple of years. It will never be perfect and continually open to justified criticism in parts. A bit like Parliament which, let's face it, is undemocratic too as practically every government has a minority of the overall vote.
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| Part Time James 23 Jun 16 10.22am |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
I started out firmly in the leave camp. But the leave camp has increasingly concerned me with its playing to the fears of the mob, faux-nationalist nonsense and its outright deceit. Which is probably true of Remain, except I haven't really been paying attention to the people I wasn't going to vote for. But I could swing back, its been that kind of day. Hehe, I do accept that you were going to vote Leave at one point. I remember a discussion way back where you'd said so. I think I was just surprised then. Having read a lot of your posts, although I don't always agree with your political stances, you are an informed and interesting poster and for that reason I guess I (possibly wrongly) assumed you'd be one of the people least influenced by the posts on this page, especially at the 11th hour. That said, you are one of the more open minded people too, so I called that wrong. I think both sides have been spinning a lot of fear, but personally I'm not going to vote based on the stuff I DON'T believe from either side...that's all irrelevance if I don't believe it. I am going to vote on the stuff I DO believe (if there's much left!). And obviously a lot of that could be tainted by my own naivety.
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| elgrande bedford 23 Jun 16 10.28am |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
It will never be perfect and continually open to justified criticism in parts. A bit like Parliament which, let's face it, is undemocratic too as practically every government has a minority of the overall vote. But the big difference Kermit,if these bunch of tossers or any other bunch of tossers who are in power here...we can vote them out....
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| npn Crowborough 23 Jun 16 10.33am |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
Hopefully, this will be the end of the Axis of Feeble politically. Boris, Gove and Duncan-Smith. Farage, gawd bless 'im, might be as dodgy as a year-old doughnut but he is bloody good at speaking. Edited by Kermit8 (23 Jun 2016 10.31am) I suspect a Remain vote could be fantastic for UKIP! They got a decent turnout at the last election, and that will only go up as a result of the various campaigns - I can see a decent handful of seats next time out, and a fair few second places
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| Part Time James 23 Jun 16 10.34am |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
Hopefully, this will be the end of the Axis of Feeble politically. Boris, Gove and Duncan-Smith. Farage, gawd bless 'im, might be as dodgy as a year-old doughnut but he is bloody good at speaking. Edited by Kermit8 (23 Jun 2016 10.31am) And, love or hate him (I hope this doesn't become a discussion) he has probably shaken up politics a fair bit and one would hope he has been a contributor (not single handedly of course) to some of the fat cats in the big parties having to up their game a bit.
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| Hoof Hearted 23 Jun 16 10.36am | |
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Heavy Rain might affect turnout. Us "leavers" have mostly voted by post and are hardy determined souls. Can't see students being arsed to leave the Uni Student Union Bar to vote if it's chucking it down.
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Attachment: | Part Time James 23 Jun 16 10.38am |
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Originally posted by Hoof Hearted
Heavy Rain might affect turnout. Us "leavers" have mostly voted by post and are hardy determined souls. Can't see students being arsed to leave the Uni Student Union Bar to vote if it's chucking it down. They'll get their suspicious cigarettes wet.
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| Hoof Hearted 23 Jun 16 10.44am | |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
I started out firmly in the leave camp. But the leave camp has increasingly concerned me with its playing to the fears of the mob, faux-nationalist nonsense and its outright deceit. Which is probably true of Remain, except I haven't really been paying attention to the people I wasn't going to vote for. But I could swing back, its been that kind of day. I never counted on your vote. Lefties always let you down inevitably. Is Gusset still insisting he's neutral? Still at least Kermit has acknowledged Farage's attribute of being a good orator.... that's enough for me. Predicting a narrow Remain win, mainly due to effect of Jo Cox's murder swaying the undecided to vote against "hate".... which to my mind is unfair but opinions are differently analysed by many people. Hoping the toxic fallout from the nasty campaign they run means Cameron/Osborne are ousted from power asap.
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